Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Julie MacNaught wrote: Conclusion? Just play nice. Right on! It's amazing how well a bit of humility, encouragement of others, and responding to fire with ice works in online communities - whether technical like this one, or social, or whatever. I'm haunted, though, by whether there's a sort of cognitive dissonance in being nice and the Apache name. I'm not suggesting we rename ourselves the Cute Nice Fluffy Bunnies Software Foundation. :) Just wondering if it's something we should overtly work to overcome rather than just inertly hope we aren't setting the wrong tone... Brian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 10:56, Brian Behlendorf wrote: I'm not suggesting we rename ourselves the Cute Nice Fluffy Bunnies Software Foundation. ROTFL... From a feared native-american tribe to cuddly... :o) My vote goes for The Bambi Software Foundation or The Kitten Software Foundation Cheers Niclas -- +--//---+ / http://www.bali.ac/ / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +--//---+ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 22:32, Julie MacNaught wrote: Hi, [...] I've been accused of being a geek, however, in my defense, I always say: you think I'M a geek, you should meet my friends at Apache.. [...] Wow. Define being normal by pointing at people that are even weirder. I never thought of that. Seems I'm a member of the latter group. ;-) Regards Henning -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen INTERMETA GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]+49 9131 50 654 0 http://www.intermeta.de/ RedHat Certified Engineer -- Jakarta Turbine Development -- hero for hire Linux, Java, perl, Solaris -- Consulting, Training, Development Fighting for one's political stand is an honorable action, but re- fusing to acknowledge that there might be weaknesses in one's position - in order to identify them so that they can be remedied - is a large enough problem with the Open Source movement that it deserves to be on this list of the top five problems. --Michelle Levesque, Fundamental Issues with Open Source Software Development - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Julie MacNaught wrote: Conclusion? Just play nice. Right on! It's amazing how well a bit of humility, encouragement of others, and responding to fire with ice works in online communities - whether technical like this one, or social, or whatever. I'm haunted, though, by whether there's a sort of cognitive dissonance in being nice and the Apache name. I'm not suggesting we rename ourselves the Cute Nice Fluffy Bunnies Software Foundation. :) Just wondering if it's something we should overtly work to overcome rather than just inertly hope we aren't setting the wrong tone... Let me remind of when Marc Fleury of JBoss once named us the fat ladies drinking tea while he named the JBoss people the knights fighting the big evil corporations. How many girls does JBoss has? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 04:56, Brian Behlendorf wrote: I'm haunted, though, by whether there's a sort of cognitive dissonance in being nice and the Apache name. I'm not suggesting we rename ourselves the Cute Nice Fluffy Bunnies Software Foundation. :) Just wondering if it's something we should overtly work to overcome rather than just inertly hope we aren't setting the wrong tone... Our logo is good : a soft feather :) Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Julie MacNaught wrote: I am a big corporation's employee (IBM), not an individual contributor. My current pet theory is that due to quotas, Dang, so much for sensitivity and respect... Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments
Bill Stoddard wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Julie MacNaught wrote: I am a big corporation's employee (IBM), not an individual contributor. My current pet theory is that due to quotas, Dang, so much for sensitivity and respect... Bill Henri, your email could be interpreted in an unfavorable way but I know you had no ill intent and I should have added a :-) to my comment. :-) soap box: No one wants to be thought of as 'a quota'. The US policy of Affirmative Action is often called a quota system by people who are against it. AA would be a quota system only if one assumes that there are no members of a so called protected class (women, some racial minorities, etc) that are capable of doing the job. The fact is, there are lots of really talented folks that are members of 'protected classes' and companies like IBM aggressively recruit strong talent wherever they find it. Rightly so imho. My personal opinion (based solely on my experiences inside a big US multinational company) is that AA has about outlived its usefulness. No sane recruiter ignores talent based on gender, sexual preference or race and those that do deserve what's coming to them (failure in the marketplace). Julie, Thanks for your post. I think your observation is spot on. Women are, on average, not as assertive as men in mixed company. Communicating via a mailing list 'hangs you out there' so to speak on the assertiveness scale. I know in my early days in the Apache HTTP Server community, I had my head handed to me on a platter on a couple of occasions (by someone whose opinion I trust and respect, fwiw). That's a pretty typical experience I expect. Those types of experiences tend to filter communities for a certain set of personality traits; being averse to confrontation is not one of the traits folks in the Apache HTTP Server community tend to have, for better or worse. :-) Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
