mobi phil wrote:
no offense, but thinkin only about yourself, what you want, is probably
the cause nr. one for openmoko company/project failing. If you want a
company to sponsor the development of the project, they need to have
benefit. They can generate benefit by selling devices. But if
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:23:14 pm Michal Brzozowski wrote:
I think it was pretty reliable too, except the duplicating sms bug. But
that's not a big deal I think.
That's fixed in QtMoko, which is a great relief! :-)
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maybe http://wave.google.com/ will solve the problem?
http://mobiphil.com
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:25 AM, fredrik normann
fredrik.normann.j...@gmail.com wrote:
so true
2009/6/26 Fabian Schölzel fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com
Long long ago, someone wrote :
And sometimes, you
people have different ideas about how to use their devices. regarding
netiquette, opinion varies and there is no one solution which fits
everyone best. not every wants to use text based clients, nor scroll to
the end of a page. regardless of it being near instant or several
steps, they are
El día Friday, June 26, 2009 a las 02:09:51AM -0400, David Ford escribió:
people have different ideas about how to use their devices. regarding
netiquette, opinion varies and there is no one solution which fits
everyone best. not every wants to use text based clients, nor scroll to
the
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 02:09 -0400, David Ford wrote:
people have different ideas about how to use their devices. regarding
netiquette, opinion varies and there is no one solution which fits
everyone best. not every wants to use text based clients, nor scroll to
the end of a page.
there is no functional harm to top posting, only that it violates your
preference.
There is.
With top posting, it may be, and often is, hard to understand what
patricular part of previous message(s) author is answering to.
Because of that:
- reading and understanding discussion becomes much
2009/6/26 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org
- when author formats message such that his reply is just below the text he
replies to, he will likely see and re-read it while typing, and really
reply to it, not to something else that his oppoinent never wrote.
True, but sometimes you want
any chance you fight that out somewhere else?
the discussions about the prefered posting style (and no, there's no
rule!) is as old as the internet -- and both positions still live and kick.
that can only mean one thing:
for both prefs good reasons exist and no party could ever convince the
FINALLY :) Thumbs up!
arne anka ha scritto:
any chance you fight that out somewhere else?
the discussions about the prefered posting style (and no, there's no
rule!) is as old as the internet -- and both positions still live and kick.
that can only mean one thing:
for both prefs good
LOL
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:32 +0200, DJDAS wrote:
FINALLY :) Thumbs up!
BWL
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FINALLY :) Thumbs up!
(To not hurt anyone :P )
ROTFL
David
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Long long ago, someone wrote :
And sometimes, you just dont have to quote, because
the discussion hierarchy isnt lost within mailing lists.
True.
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so true
2009/6/26 Fabian Schölzel fabian.schoel...@googlemail.com
Long long ago, someone wrote :
And sometimes, you just dont have to quote, because
the discussion hierarchy isnt lost within mailing lists.
True.
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2009/6/25 Laura Vance van...@thespazcat.com
The thing that I think is a complete absurdity is the fact that so much
of the software for the FR is written in an interpreted language
(Python). This alone contributes to the slowness of the device. Heck,
the frameworkd is a python program. (top
El Thursday, 25 de June de 2009 08:47:04 Michal Brzozowski va escriure:
2009/6/25 Laura Vance van...@thespazcat.com
The thing that I think is a complete absurdity is the fact that so much
of the software for the FR is written in an interpreted language
(Python). This alone contributes to
Talking about the memory usage of C++:
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 22:30 +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote:
Hmm, that is one very aspect of C++ I wasn't aware of.
But it won't use more than, lets just mention some random language
that's currently making up most of FSO / Paroli (thus Om2009), python.
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 17:32 -0600, Laura Vance wrote:
Interpreted languages are excellent
for rapid prototyping and initial development, but once it's ready for
any type of release, it should be ported to C (in this case) or C++.
From the FSO website
Am Mittwoch, den 24.06.2009, 22:32 +0200 schrieb mobi phil:
By the way... did anybody reverse engineer' a bit the iphone ?or
Android?(not necessarily only the code, but gui patterns I think
paying a little attention to their way of doing things maybe will
inspire a bit.
Both Android and the
2009/6/25 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de
That said, this is exactly the reason why I have decided to go with Vala
for FSO 2.0 -- it combines a high abstraction level with the raw
performance of C.
Is there any rough schedule for releasing FSO 2.0?
I agree that C++ compiler produces larger footprint. This is due to the more
complex abstraction, expanded templates etc. Normally memory density doubles
each year and prices halfs. For implementing the same abstraction, you would
create probably the same size of exectable both in C and C++, and
Am Mittwoch, den 24.06.2009, 17:32 -0600 schrieb Laura Vance:
The thing that I think is a complete absurdity is the fact that so much
of the software for the FR is written in an interpreted language
(Python).
It becomes less of an absurdity when you know the history.
The core systems need
Am Donnerstag, den 25.06.2009, 08:47 +0200 schrieb Michal Brzozowski:
2009/6/25 Laura Vance van...@thespazcat.com
The thing that I think is a complete absurdity is the fact
that so much
of the software for the FR is written in an interpreted
language
Am Donnerstag, den 25.06.2009, 11:57 +0200 schrieb Michal Brzozowski:
2009/6/25 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de
That said, this is exactly the reason why I have decided to go
with Vala
for FSO 2.0 -- it combines a high abstraction level with the
2009/6/25 mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com
I agree that C++ compiler produces larger footprint. This is due to the
more complex abstraction, expanded templates etc. Normally memory density
doubles each year and prices halfs.
But the Freerunner has 128mb of RAM, and I don't see it doubling every
How long do you think people will carry arround the freerunner in their
pockets, when next year the same time you will be able to buy a crap :)
nvidia tegra based device with 500MB memory for 200$ ?
Plan for the future, not for the past :)
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Michal Brzozowski
I don't want to buy Tegra based device or any other propertiary stuff.
I want to work on my Neo FreeRunner long. And I'm developing mostly
for myself (satisfaction, learning, and usable phone :P)
On 6/25/09, mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com wrote:
How long do you think people will carry arround the
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak pisze:
And I'm developing mostly
for myself (satisfaction, learning, and usable phone :P)
For me too! :)
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no offense, but thinkin only about yourself, what you want, is probably the
cause nr. one for openmoko company/project failing. If you want a company to
sponsor the development of the project, they need to have benefit. They can
generate benefit by selling devices. But if you fail to put on the
El día Thursday, June 25, 2009 a las 01:50:19PM +0200, mobi phil escribió:
no offense, but thinkin only about yourself, what you want, is probably the
cause nr. one for openmoko company/project failing. If you want a company to
sponsor the development of the project, they need to have benefit.
I am affraid that even if you would do your best you would not be able to
reason what is usefull for all the people who subscribed for the list. It is
usefull for at least two people: the person who started the thread and me
:). On the other side it is inpolite to reason in name of others.
So the
2009/6/25 mobi phil m...@mobiphil.com
How long do you think people will carry arround the freerunner in their
pockets, when next year the same time you will be able to buy a crap :)
nvidia tegra based device with 500MB memory for 200$ ?
Plan for the future, not for the past :)
Nvidia
On Thursday 25 June 2009 13:25:39 mobi phil wrote:
I am affraid that even if you would do your best you would not be able to
reason what is usefull for all the people who subscribed for the list. It
is usefull for at least two people: the person who started the thread and
me
:). On the other
El día Thursday, June 25, 2009 a las 02:25:39PM +0200, mobi phil escribió:
I am affraid that even if you would do your best you would not be able to
reason what is usefull for all the people who subscribed for the list. It is
usefull for at least two people: the person who started the thread
mind you, while i've enjoyed the convenience of learning and writing my
sms app in python/pygtk, when i'm done learning it'll definitely be
redone in C. i'm also interested in seeing what vala has to offer and
the contrast of it with C.
-david
On 06/25/09 05:15, David Fokkema wrote:
But it
actually - and i'm not picking on you, it really bugs me that developers
think oh, i don't need to trim this down and it's ok to suck up more
resources because next year ram will be cheaper
that's the reason why we have desktops that still bog down with half a
dozen programs running even
have you ever tried reading an ever growing message thread on your FR?
scrolling isn't easy, nor is it fast.
-d
On 06/25/09 08:14, Matthias Apitz wrote:
I think one (you and others) should not do top posting; in addition I
think that the full thread is less than zero usefull;
Good point!
Additionally, I would prefer mailman (or whatever program does it) not
appending the ml signature to *every* mail but only to the ones which
don't have it at the bottom anymore. I always need to remove multiple (3
or more) instances of that sig everytime I do netiquette-compliant
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:35 PM, David Fordda...@blue-labs.org wrote:
i answer it and i can leave it sitting on the
desk for another 7-15 seconds while it keeps on ringing before i pick it
up and can talk.
You should definietly try out om2009. It takes about 2 sec delay when ringing,
and the
2009/6/25 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de
Am Mittwoch, den 24.06.2009, 17:32 -0600 schrieb Laura Vance:
The thing that I think is a complete absurdity is the fact that so much
of the software for the FR is written in an interpreted language
(Python).
It becomes less of an
-[ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 02:47:34PM -0400, David Ford ]
have you ever tried reading an ever growing message thread on your FR?
scrolling isn't easy, nor is it fast.
Another part of the netiquette handle this : if the requotes are
not usefull then delete them.
-[ Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 02:35:10PM -0400, David Ford ]
every other cellphone i've ever had, had a nearly
instant transition from ring to talk when i answered it.
Certainly because they use hardware from the future.
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El día Thursday, June 25, 2009 a las 02:47:34PM -0400, David Ford escribió:
have you ever tried reading an ever growing message thread on your FR?
scrolling isn't easy, nor is it fast.
I think I'd never use my FR to read and answer the hundreds of mail I
receive every day;
in general: Use a
Hey!! Is this kind of phrase i am not interested in c++. driving the
linux phone development? I can never understand how is it possible to have
such a huge gap on the scale between C programmers and C++ programmers? Why
are C++ programmers dying out? Is it because some C programmers never
managed
do you understand the weight involved with using c++? without very very
careful management, c++ is rather hefty for embedded devices. granted,
having 128M to work in is indeed far more tenable than smaller devices
but it's still onerous.
C is much more lightweight and very functional. any
2009/6/24 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org
do you understand the weight involved with using c++? without very very
careful management, c++ is rather hefty for embedded devices. granted,
having 128M to work in is indeed far more tenable than smaller devices
but it's still onerous.
C is much
that is one typical aspect.
Michal Brzozowski wrote:
2009/6/24 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org mailto:da...@blue-labs.org
do you understand the weight involved with using c++? without
very very
careful management, c++ is rather hefty for embedded devices.
granted,
Hmm, that is one very aspect of C++ I wasn't aware of.
2009/6/24 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org
that is one typical aspect.
Michal Brzozowski wrote:
2009/6/24 David Ford da...@blue-labs.org mailto:da...@blue-labs.org
do you understand the weight involved with using c++? without
memory?... this remembers me about women... you can give the same amount of
money to a blond, black, brunette, blue eyes etc. women... all of them they
will spend it the same nanosecond...
give the same money to a good businessman He will use it carefully...
the programming language does not
It's not about the programmer managing memory, the C++ compiler produces
a MUCH larger memory footprint.
I like C++ programming, and I used C for years before that. My first
exposure to C++ was when I simply compiled one of my C programs with the
C++ switch. An executable file that was about
I've had my Freerunner since day 1 and sadly have to agree with almost
everything Joerg has said. The surprising thing to me is that we
haven't seen more significant improvement on the software side in the
last year. I'm not saying things haven't improved, I've just had the
following in the back
2009/6/23 Brian C bria...@ocf.berkeley.edu
I can buy a $20 pay-as-you go phone that has reliable SMS and voice
calls, audible call volume, decent battery life, a fast boot process,
reliable input method, a working calendar, and a few silly games. This
made me believe that the software side
On Monday 22 June 2009, mobi phil wrote:
I think carrying Xwindows is the biggest
mistake. I personally encourage QT or new start with gtk on top of
www.directfb.org/, so that gtk based interfaces can be reused... By the way
did anybody consider gtk with directfb as direction? Or I am wrong and
Am Montag 22 Juni 2009 schrieb Ben Wong:
I want to thank Joerg for taking the time to give a clear list of
reasons why a person might consider the Freerunner unsuitable as a
phone. I think it'd be helpful if these and other points were put on
the wiki so that potential buyers can see the
that's all quite true. however, allow me to make just one point.
this phone is marketed as a developer's phone, and all the websites
related to this phone all have (or should have) discussion largely
surrounding this.
:)
On 06/22/09 21:51, Joerg Lippmann wrote:
[...]
let me cite another
Sure, it's a developer phone, and is marketed as such, but what they
don't tell you is what kind of developer. When I got mine 6 months
ago, I took that to mean applications, not everything about this
needs massive help.
I think one of the pitfalls for OM was trying to put everything out at
except for ophonekitd being crashy currently, nearly everything else
works decently for me. it's stable enough for me to be developing my
SMS app for it. honestly, i only do these fixes for issues about once
every two to three weeks. there are bugs that others encounter that
i've never seen
i use it for about a year now as sole phone, after some weeks with 2007.X
i installed debian with fso (a kind of distri you forgot to metion, too).
- The device wakes up too slowly, I lost some calls.
no problem for month now.
- The vibrator is too weak, I missed more calls.
most if not
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Joerg Lippmannjl_li...@donalbain.de
wrote:
Then the Freerunner is not for you.
It may sound harsh, but it's definitely *not* suitable for daily use.
Period.
Brolin,
I must respectfully disagree with Joerg's advice to you. There are
flaws, including
Most of Joerg's comments reflect the experience I have had. On the other
hand, its a GREAT portable office. You can run just about any Linux
application on it and with an 8Gbyte microSD card, carry around a lot of
stuff easily in your pocket. Just plug it into any old PC via WIFI,
Bluetooth or
2009/6/20 Joerg Lippmann jl_li...@donalbain.de
OK, maybe I should explain.
My mail should not be taken as FUD. I have a freerunner since it came out a
year ago and - being a linux user since 1994 - I was prepared to get
something
rough and unfinished. But I hoped that it would one day be
works for me too : )
actually, i really like the thing. just with the screen was not recessed
into the shell.
and ffalarms works great for me.
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fmwrote:
2009/6/20 Joerg Lippmann jl_li...@donalbain.de
OK, maybe I should
Works for me too! :D
It is my only phone for almost a year now.
Yes, it needs A LOT of attention and tweaking for about 3 months until
you get it just right for yourself, but after that it's good enough
as a phone and GPS, and a pretty good PDA. And yes, the screen is not
bright enough, and
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