Re: Freerunner gone...
Le 15/12/2009 21:11, Fabian Schölzel a écrit : On Tuesday 15. December 2009 15:29:45, Martin Šenkeřík Šenkeřík wrote: The story was that, one guy was on the walk with dog, which brought to him bag with black thing. He didn't know what is it, so he gave it to his friend. Friend realized, that there is probably linux system (according to scrolling text when booting :-)), but that was all - and started googling. He told me, if that is normal phone, he would probably not try so much to find info about it... Now *that* is a nice story. You are now owning the dog-rescued special edition of the Freerunner. :) May the curiosity of dog owners always be with you, Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This could be fun to have a If you found this phone button on SHR today (or any screensaver app). This app could contain information about tht owner and ability to send text message to another number or call the owner (on another phone number of course)... Some tweakers in the room ? AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)
Am 14.12.2009 um 13:04 schrieb Neil Jerram: 2009/12/12 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de: I always need to fiddle the USB cable into the neo and this could then avoided. I used to think that. I eventually realised that the real problem was that I have to force charging at 500mA. Could that be the case for you too? No, I simply have sometimes to fiddle the cable into the neo before starting the engine. It would be very nice if there are two contacts in the size of the small fingernail. Then one simply need to 'clip' it into a housing with counterpart contacts. The USB cable therefore is in the clip housing and it should have mounting device similar to those swan neg navigarion holder. Then the original device could be replaced by this device. Maybe someone could use blender to design such a device. I am only capable to design the electronics using KICAD. Another option would be a Wing drawing to be used as a electronic part for KICAD. I don't know if anyone has done similar parts to appear more like a housing. Regards, Lothar Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Good idea for other things - Was: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)
Am 14.12.2009 um 13:22 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I used to think that. I eventually realised that the real problem was that I have to force charging at 500mA. Could that be the case for you too? I know that the OpenMoko adapter for the Neo has a resistor built-in to make detection possible. I wonder how easy/hard it would be to a) Have another standard R for '500 mA' defined in the software, and B) To fiddle an R in somewhere to let the Neo auto-detact 500 mA (if it's not connected to a USB bus). I haven an in-car adapter, with a USB port, that can source up to 650 mA, but I need to tell my Neo to charge at 500mA 'by hand' now... I have a 2 Ampere Cigarette adapter from my gas station near my home. It started working with a standard USB A - B cable and no extra resistor. As of the price sign it is a kombase 'USB-Ladestecker'. EAN: 4260098010084 It costs ~ 15.95 €. But I am unsure you get the same. I have tried and succeeded. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v15
ghislain wrote: Because the files and folders in /usr/share/man are missing (to preserve space), apt-get install gpsd will fail. Ahh, ok, will put it on my list :-) I also think NeronGPS is much better, but TangoGPS has some functions which are quite useful (locate your friends). But even then, when missing gpsd, Navit will also not work. Sure, gpsd is must to have. I was not having that much problems when using GPRS, okay, at first boot I had to try twice, and sometimes when booting I got stuck in the PIN-code screen, but then, I could make a call even when using GPRS, now I have to choose... I don't know which option I prefer. Oki, i'll try to get multiplexing back or at least configurable. I think the stuck-in-PIN-code is possible to fix - i hope i am getting idea what's going on there... Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [shr-latest] fso or phonefsod borked (?) no resume
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Vermeille ha scritto: 2009/12/6 David Vermeille dve...@gmail.com 2009/12/6 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com Hi, i'm experiencing a strange problem with latest shr-u (with latest upgrades): after few suspend/resumes (with calipso deep sleep=never) i have no more gsm connection, and shr settings says that phonefsod is not running (or in power tab couldn't connect to fso of phonefsod). Even if I restart both frameworkd and phonefsod i get no gsm connection anymore... any ideas? (do you want some logs?) d ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user Hi, Same problem here. And sometimes, the PIN dialog don't even show up just after boot. David. After some more testing, it seems that my problem came from the NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS trick. Removing the debug fs and the echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features bring the pin dialog back. David I searched for /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features but there's no such file neither on my shr-t nor on shr-u. And the problem still remains :P d -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAksowhgACgkQda/40psHIUSJcgCffxRdJNvtpgFfl17gCOqFPjct 6C8Ani83oqJCXmz6sq/1URhTKBYo8hxI =0UGL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [shr-latest] fso or phonefsod borked (?) no resume
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: David Vermeille ha scritto: 2009/12/6 David Vermeille dve...@gmail.com 2009/12/6 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com Hi, i'm experiencing a strange problem with latest shr-u (with latest upgrades): after few suspend/resumes (with calipso deep sleep=never) i have no more gsm connection, and shr settings says that phonefsod is not running (or in power tab couldn't connect to fso of phonefsod). Even if I restart both frameworkd and phonefsod i get no gsm connection anymore... any ideas? (do you want some logs?) d ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user Hi, Same problem here. And sometimes, the PIN dialog don't even show up just after boot. David. After some more testing, it seems that my problem came from the NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS trick. Removing the debug fs and the echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features bring the pin dialog back. David I searched for /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features but there's no such file neither on my shr-t nor on shr-u. And the problem still remains :P d what version of phonefsod do you have installed? 'opkg list_installed phonefsod' please -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [shr-latest] fso or phonefsod borked (?) no resume
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: David Vermeille ha scritto: 2009/12/6 David Vermeille dve...@gmail.com 2009/12/6 Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com Hi, i'm experiencing a strange problem with latest shr-u (with latest upgrades): after few suspend/resumes (with calipso deep sleep=never) i have no more gsm connection, and shr settings says that phonefsod is not running (or in power tab couldn't connect to fso of phonefsod). Even if I restart both frameworkd and phonefsod i get no gsm connection anymore... any ideas? (do you want some logs?) d ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user Hi, Same problem here. And sometimes, the PIN dialog don't even show up just after boot. David. After some more testing, it seems that my problem came from the NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS trick. Removing the debug fs and the echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features bring the pin dialog back. David I searched for /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features but there's no such file neither on my shr-t nor on shr-u. And the problem still remains :P d what version of phonefsod do you have installed? 'opkg list_installed phonefsod' please -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann on shr-t: phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr161+0bc4b96c16c79a977cda3e3499caab32190cccf1-r3.4 on shr-u: phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr168+ccc2892b58d5bb2ef613661534e7c6950e4a8dae-r4.4 d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [shr-latest] fso or phonefsod borked (?) no resume
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de wrote: After some more testing, it seems that my problem came from the NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS trick. Removing the debug fs and the echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features bring the pin dialog back. David I searched for /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features but there's no such file neither on my shr-t nor on shr-u. And the problem still remains :P d what version of phonefsod do you have installed? 'opkg list_installed phonefsod' please -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann on shr-t: phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr161+0bc4b96c16c79a977cda3e3499caab32190cccf1-r3.4 on shr-u: phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr168+ccc2892b58d5bb2ef613661534e7c6950e4a8dae-r4.4 and it happens on SHR-U too? Or just on SHR-T ? d -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] [shr-latest] fso or phonefsod borked (?) no resume
Yes it also happens on shr-u phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr168+ccc2892b58d5bb2ef613661534e7c6950e4a8dae-r4.4 - Mail Original - De: Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de À: Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org, shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Envoyé: Mercredi 16 Décembre 2009 16:26:44 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [Shr-User] [shr-latest] fso or phonefsod borked (?) no resume On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de wrote: After some more testing, it seems that my problem came from the NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS trick. Removing the debug fs and the echo NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features bring the pin dialog back. David I searched for /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features but there's no such file neither on my shr-t nor on shr-u. And the problem still remains :P d what version of phonefsod do you have installed? 'opkg list_installed phonefsod' please -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann on shr-t: phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr161+0bc4b96c16c79a977cda3e3499caab32190cccf1-r3.4 on shr-u: phonefsod - 0.0.0+gitr168+ccc2892b58d5bb2ef613661534e7c6950e4a8dae-r4.4 and it happens on SHR-U too? Or just on SHR-T ? d -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] VoIP
Hello everyone, first of all thank to every contributor to QtMoko: it's great! I'm trying to use some kind of VoIP (both gtalk and traditional one, with an euteliavoip account), but I'm facing two problems: -I don't know how to check the connection status; -if connected fore sure, I don't know how make/receive phone calls. Thank you very much -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! -- Try to save your soul: http://www.godfanclub.tk/ -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner gone...
This could be fun to have a If you found this phone button on SHR today (or any screensaver app). This app could contain information about tht owner and ability to send text message to another number or call the owner (on another phone number of course)... This could be annoying for the real happy owner to view this button every time he looks at shr-today. A button can be drawn upon arrival of specially formatted SMS (like sms-sentry works). If SIM card isn't authenticated yet (no GSM channel to tower), button is on shr-today page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner gone...
OMG geeks :-) Just write this info on a piece of paper and stick on the inside of the back cover 2009/12/16 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr This could be fun to have a If you found this phone button on SHR today (or any screensaver app). This app could contain information about tht owner and ability to send text message to another number or call the owner (on another phone number of course)... Some tweakers in the room ? AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[wikireader] Border interactions
Hi all,
Attached to this mail is a small patch I wrote a while ago, introducing
border interactions. It quite simply hacks in a 15px magical border
which when tapped induces certain actions:
* upper border: page up;
* lower border: page down;
* left border: history back;
* right border: history forward.
I've added page up down because it reads far faster and scrolling
(at least on my wikireader) turned out to be quite unreadable. History
back and forward are handy shortcuts while clicking through links of an
article.
-Tim
From b10b2a9fbd6e91910f1f0012520f9cbcbc987c91 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Tim Besard tim.bes...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:37:35 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] Border interactions (history navigation and page up/down).
---
wiki-app/history.c | 39 +++---
wiki-app/history.h |7 ++-
wiki-app/lcd_buf_draw.c | 101 +++---
wiki-app/lcd_buf_draw.h |3 +
wiki-app/wikilib.c | 23 ++-
5 files changed, 140 insertions(+), 33 deletions(-)
diff --git a/wiki-app/history.c b/wiki-app/history.c
index 7548b06..d6ebef7 100644
--- a/wiki-app/history.c
+++ b/wiki-app/history.c
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ int history_count = 0;
int rendered_history_count = -1;
int history_changed = HISTORY_SAVE_NONE;
extern int display_mode;
+int history_index = 0;
static inline unsigned int history_modulus(int modulus) {
return modulus % HISTORY_MAX_DISPLAY_ITEM;
@@ -55,10 +56,14 @@ void history_reload()
render_history_with_pcf();
}
-void history_add(const long idx_article, const char *title, int b_keep_pos)
+void history_add(const long idx_article, const char *title, int b_keep_pos, int b_shift)
{
int i = 0;
int bFound = 0;
+
+ if (b_shift)
+ history_shift(history_index);
+ history_index = 0;
history_changed = HISTORY_SAVE_NORMAL;
while (!bFound i history_count)
@@ -89,11 +94,23 @@ void history_add(const long idx_article, const char *title, int b_keep_pos)
history_count++;
}
-void history_log_y_pos(const long y_pos)
-{
- if (history_changed != HISTORY_SAVE_NORMAL)
- history_changed = HISTORY_SAVE_POWER_OFF;
- history_list[0].last_y_pos = y_pos;
+long history_get_article() {
+ return history_list[history_index].idx_article;
+}
+
+void history_shift(int amount) {
+ if (amount = 0)
+ return;
+ if (amount = history_count) {
+ history_clear();
+ return;
+ }
+ history_count -= amount;
+ memcpy((void*)history_list[0],(void*)history_list[amount],sizeof(HISTORY)*history_count);
+}
+
+void history_set_y_pos(const long y_pos) {
+ history_list[history_index].last_y_pos = y_pos;
}
long history_get_y_pos(const long idx_article)
@@ -164,6 +181,16 @@ int history_list_save(int level)
return rc;
}
+void history_navigate(int articles) {
+ int index = history_index - articles;
+ if (index 0 || index = history_count)
+ return;
+ history_index -= articles;
+ long idx_article = history_get_article();
+
+ display_revisited_article(idx_article);
+}
+
void draw_clear_history(int bClear)
{
int i;
diff --git a/wiki-app/history.h b/wiki-app/history.h
index 6117783..d10c756 100644
--- a/wiki-app/history.h
+++ b/wiki-app/history.h
@@ -34,15 +34,18 @@
void history_clear(void);
-void history_add(const long idx_article, const char *title, int b_keep_pos);
+void history_add(const long idx_article, const char *title, int b_keep_pos, int b_shift);
unsigned int history_get_count();
void history_list_init(void);
int history_list_save(int level);
void history_open_article(int new_selection);
void history_reload();
-void history_log_y_pos(const long y_pos);
+long history_get_article();
+void history_shift(int amount);
+void history_set_y_pos(const long y_pos);
long history_get_y_pos(const long idx_article);
+void history_navigate(int articles);
void draw_clear_history(int bFlag);
typedef struct _HISTORY {
diff --git a/wiki-app/lcd_buf_draw.c b/wiki-app/lcd_buf_draw.c
index 51bceb1..9d80619 100644
--- a/wiki-app/lcd_buf_draw.c
+++ b/wiki-app/lcd_buf_draw.c
@@ -106,6 +106,8 @@ int stop_render_article = 0;
int b_show_scroll_bar = 0;
long saved_idx_article;
+bool hist_revisit = false;
+
#define MIN_BAR_LEN 20
void show_scroll_bar(int bShow)
{
@@ -1199,7 +1201,7 @@ void display_article_with_pcf(int start_y)
if (lcd_draw_cur_y_pos 0)
lcd_draw_cur_y_pos = 0;
if (display_mode == DISPLAY_MODE_ARTICLE)
- history_log_y_pos(lcd_draw_cur_y_pos);
+ history_set_y_pos(lcd_draw_cur_y_pos);
pos = (lcd_draw_cur_y_pos*LCD_VRAM_WIDTH_PIXELS)/8;
@@ -1223,7 +1225,7 @@ float scroll_speed()
void scroll_article(void)
{
unsigned long time_now, delay_time;
- long pos;
+ int article_scroll_actual;
if(finger_move_speed == 0)
return;
@@ -1244,26 +1246,13 @@ void scroll_article(void)
time_scroll_article_last = time_now;
article_scroll_increment = (float)finger_move_speed * ((float)delay_time / (float)seconds_to_ticks(1));
-
- lcd_draw_cur_y_pos += article_scroll_increment;
[QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko
Hello list, Are there any GPS navigation apps for QtMoko, i.e., any usable without an X server? I cannot use QX because every time I try, I end up having to remove the battery from my FreeRunner because my FreeRunner locks up and is unusable. I wanted to use Navit, but it requires a working X server. Alternately, is there any way to get a working (non-QX) X server on QtMoko, or use QtMoko with an X server (maybe on plain Debian)? Months ago, I asked for recommendations of MicroSDHC cards to buy to install plain Debian on. I still have not even found a place to buy any of the recommended cards because I have not made doing so a sufficiently high priority for it to ever be done. My parents gave me a Garmin nûvi GPS navigator (I do not remember which model, but I can find out if you want) as an early Christmas gift, so I at least have a working GPS navigation solution, but it would be better if I could use my FreeRunner as a GPS navigator. I never use cell phones while driving because doing so is a recipe for disaster for me: I always pull over and stop before using a cell phone. I am mentioning this because I wonder if it simplifies finding a GPS navigation app because I do not use cell phones while driving, so I do not have to answer nor make calls while the GPS navigation app is running. I still need to log missed calls and receive SMS messages, though. I also do not want messages about missed calls or received SMS messages blocking my view of the GPS navigation app on the screen while I am driving because I may not even be able to safely pull over to use my FreeRunner. I am using QtMoko v14, but will see if v15 looks like it is worth upgrading to. Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] GPS navigation apps for QtMoko
Yeah, NeronGPS is in the QtMoko feeds and all you need to install it is a recent version of QtMoko and an internet connection. It's native to the Qt framework that QtMoko uses and doesn't need an X server. It has a slightly different interface from Navit and tango, but it's pretty easy to get used to. -Tonym Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, Are there any GPS navigation apps for QtMoko, i.e., any usable without an X server? I cannot use QX because every time I try, I end up having to remove the battery from my FreeRunner because my FreeRunner locks up and is unusable. I wanted to use Navit, but it requires a working X server. Alternately, is there any way to get a working (non-QX) X server on QtMoko, or use QtMoko with an X server (maybe on plain Debian)? Months ago, I asked for recommendations of MicroSDHC cards to buy to install plain Debian on. I still have not even found a place to buy any of the recommended cards because I have not made doing so a sufficiently high priority for it to ever be done. My parents gave me a Garmin nûvi GPS navigator (I do not remember which model, but I can find out if you want) as an early Christmas gift, so I at least have a working GPS navigation solution, but it would be better if I could use my FreeRunner as a GPS navigator. I never use cell phones while driving because doing so is a recipe for disaster for me: I always pull over and stop before using a cell phone. I am mentioning this because I wonder if it simplifies finding a GPS navigation app because I do not use cell phones while driving, so I do not have to answer nor make calls while the GPS navigation app is running. I still need to log missed calls and receive SMS messages, though. I also do not want messages about missed calls or received SMS messages blocking my view of the GPS navigation app on the screen while I am driving because I may not even be able to safely pull over to use my FreeRunner. I am using QtMoko v14, but will see if v15 looks like it is worth upgrading to. Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony support while GPRS is enabled?
Hello list, I am using QtMoko v14. AFAIK, QtMoko does not support GSM multiplexing, which means even if I had a working and usable Web browser for QtMoko, I could not use telephony functionality, such as making and receiving phone calls, while GPRS is enabled. If I wanted to have Internet access on my FreeRunner, what is the least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony and SMS support while GPRS is enabled? Am I better off finding a usable proprietary phone? Please do not suggest the iPhone because until the iPhone 3GS was released, Apple refused to accept my money even though I wanted their product: the only way to buy a new iPhone in Canada from a store was to sign a 3-year term contract with Rogers or Fido. That is illogical. If I want Apple’s product, Apple should sell it to me. I do not want to sign a 3-year term contract. I have no term contract with my Fido monthly plan. With Rogers, I would have had to sign at least a 1-year term contract, pay a 1-time activation fee plus a System Access Fee every month. I still had to pay a 1-time activation fee with Fido, but I do not pay any System Access Fee nor did I have to sign a term contract. Anyway, I decided I am not buying an iPhone because I do not want to encourage Apple to not sell their products to consumers, such as me, who can afford them but do not want to sign a 3-year term contract. Why would I want to develop an application for a device (the iPhone) no one in Canada can buy new from a store without signing a 3-year service agreement? My users would have to jailbreak their iPhone just to use my app because Apple wants control over their platform. I do not want an iPod Touch because then I still need a separate phone. I already used to have a separate phone and PDA. I want less devices to always carry with me, not more. Anyway, I know this post has turned into a rant about the iPhone. I think if I had to choose a proprietary phone, I would be limited to non-Android Linux phones because I want the same OS on my phone as on my PCs, which run Ubuntu and Windows NT (Vista, but it is still Windows NT, not Windows.), not iPhone OS, Symbian OS, Windows CE/Windows Mobile/Pocket PC/whatever it is called now because Microsoft loves renaming things, BlackBerry stains, or some other crappy, ephemeral, and proprietary OS used on only 1 type of computer (cell phones and/or PDAs). Windows NT does not run on ARM even though modern embedded computers are more powerful than the desktop computers Windows NT originally ran on. Ubuntu is based on Debian, which runs on the FreeRunner, so QtMoko/plain Debian it is. I do not want to start an Android rant, but let’s just say I am avoiding Android because it is non-standard, proprietary, uses Java (I hate Java because it is gross.) and is hyped by the same people who hype Java: non-programmers who do not even use it. Thanks, Brolin -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony support while GPRS is enabled?
On Thursday 17 December 2009, Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, I am using QtMoko v14. AFAIK, QtMoko does not support GSM multiplexing, which means even if I had a working and usable Web browser for QtMoko, I could not use telephony functionality, such as making and receiving phone calls, while GPRS is enabled. If I wanted to have Internet access on my FreeRunner, what is the least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony and SMS support while GPRS is enabled? Am I better off finding a usable proprietary phone? Since you've already got the phone you may as well give the other firmware options a try. We keep finding people have different definitions of 'usable' so you'll have to see what suits you. SHR should be easy to try, and is supposed to do everything you want. There's a GUI for the GPRS config. It has multiplexing so GPRS, SMS and telephony should work together (I say should as I haven't tried GPRS recently.) Midori might be a suitable browser, although there is a problematic interaction between the illume keyboard and midori's address autocompletion at the moment. Debian or hackable:1 may be worth a try too. They have a wider selection of browsers available, but I don't know the status of the telephony side. Please do not suggest the iPhone because until the iPhone 3GS was released, Apple refused to accept my money even though I wanted their product: the only way to buy a new iPhone in Canada from a store was to sign a 3-year term contract with Rogers or Fido. That is illogical. If I want Apple’s product, Apple should sell it to me. I do not want to sign a 3-year term contract. I have no term contract with my Fido monthly plan. With Rogers, I would have had to sign at least a 1-year term contract, pay a 1-time activation fee plus a System Access Fee every month. I still had to pay a 1-time activation fee with Fido, but I do not pay any System Access Fee nor did I have to sign a term contract. Anyway, I decided I am not buying an iPhone because I do not want to encourage Apple to not sell their products to consumers, such as me, who can afford them but do not want to sign a 3-year term contract. Why would I want to develop an application for a device (the iPhone) no one in Canada can buy new from a store without signing a 3-year service agreement? My users would have to jailbreak their iPhone just to use my app because Apple wants control over their platform. I do not want an iPod Touch because then I still need a separate phone. I already used to have a separate phone and PDA. I want less devices to always carry with me, not more. Anyway, I know this post has turned into a rant about the iPhone. I think if I had to choose a proprietary phone, I would be limited to non-Android Linux phones because I want the same OS on my phone as on my PCs, which run Ubuntu and Windows NT (Vista, but it is still Windows NT, not Windows.), not iPhone OS, Symbian OS, Windows CE/Windows Mobile/Pocket PC/whatever it is called now because Microsoft loves renaming things, BlackBerry stains, or some other crappy, ephemeral, and proprietary OS used on only 1 type of computer (cell phones and/or PDAs). Windows NT does not run on ARM even though modern embedded computers are more powerful than the desktop computers Windows NT originally ran on. Ubuntu is based on Debian, which runs on the FreeRunner, so QtMoko/plain Debian it is. I do not want to start an Android rant, but let’s just say I am avoiding Android because it is non-standard, proprietary, uses Java (I hate Java because it is gross.) and is hyped by the same people who hype Java: non-programmers who do not even use it. Thanks, Brolin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony support while GPRS is enabled?
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Thursday 17 December 2009, Brolin Empey wrote: Hello list, I am using QtMoko v14. AFAIK, QtMoko does not support GSM multiplexing, which means even if I had a working and usable Web browser for QtMoko, I could not use telephony functionality, such as making and receiving phone calls, while GPRS is enabled. If I wanted to have Internet access on my FreeRunner, what is the least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony and SMS support while GPRS is enabled? Am I better off finding a usable proprietary phone? Since you've already got the phone you may as well give the other firmware options a try. We keep finding people have different definitions of 'usable' so you'll have to see what suits you. SHR should be easy to try, and is supposed to do everything you want. There's a GUI for the GPRS config. It has multiplexing so GPRS, SMS and telephony should work together (I say should as I haven't tried GPRS recently.) Midori might be a suitable browser, although there is a problematic interaction between the illume keyboard and midori's address autocompletion at the moment. There are other browsers in the SHR feeds so if you don't like Midori you can replace it, some worth mentioning is Eve, Links/Links-x11, Dillo use to be in the feeds but don't know why the one from opkg.org wouldn't work. Debian or hackable:1 may be worth a try too. They have a wider selection of browsers available, but I don't know the status of the telephony side. Please do not suggest the iPhone because until the iPhone 3GS was released, Apple refused to accept my money even though I wanted their product: the only way to buy a new iPhone in Canada from a store was to sign a 3-year term contract with Rogers or Fido. That is illogical. If I want Apple’s product, Apple should sell it to me. I do not want to sign a 3-year term contract. I have no term contract with my Fido monthly plan. With Rogers, I would have had to sign at least a 1-year term contract, pay a 1-time activation fee plus a System Access Fee every month. I still had to pay a 1-time activation fee with Fido, but I do not pay any System Access Fee nor did I have to sign a term contract. Anyway, I decided I am not buying an iPhone because I do not want to encourage Apple to not sell their products to consumers, such as me, who can afford them but do not want to sign a 3-year term contract. Why would I want to develop an application for a device (the iPhone) no one in Canada can buy new from a store without signing a 3-year service agreement? My users would have to jailbreak their iPhone just to use my app because Apple wants control over their platform. I do not want an iPod Touch because then I still need a separate phone. I already used to have a separate phone and PDA. I want less devices to always carry with me, not more. Anyway, I know this post has turned into a rant about the iPhone. I think if I had to choose a proprietary phone, I would be limited to non-Android Linux phones because I want the same OS on my phone as on my PCs, which run Ubuntu and Windows NT (Vista, but it is still Windows NT, not Windows.), not iPhone OS, Symbian OS, Windows CE/Windows Mobile/Pocket PC/whatever it is called now because Microsoft loves renaming things, BlackBerry stains, or some other crappy, ephemeral, and proprietary OS used on only 1 type of computer (cell phones and/or PDAs). Windows NT does not run on ARM even though modern embedded computers are more powerful than the desktop computers Windows NT originally ran on. Ubuntu is based on Debian, which runs on the FreeRunner, so QtMoko/plain Debian it is. I do not want to start an Android rant, but let’s just say I am avoiding Android because it is non-standard, proprietary, uses Java (I hate Java because it is gross.) and is hyped by the same people who hype Java: non-programmers who do not even use it. Thanks, Brolin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner gone...
Le 16/12/2009 21:12, Michal Brzozowski a écrit : OMG geeks :-) Just write this info on a piece of paper and stick on the inside of the back cover 2009/12/16 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr mailto:thomas.hoce...@free.fr This could be fun to have a If you found this phone button on SHR today (or any screensaver app). This app could contain information about tht owner and ability to send text message to another number or call the owner (on another phone number of course)... Some tweakers in the room ? AstHrO - MM ... clever balls ! ;-) Though, I already have such a sticker ! It remind me the story of the expensive NASA pen's problem to write in space, USSR just took paper pen... AstHrO. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
