Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Schmidt András
Hi! A compass module would be very nice with many applications! I have no hardware related experince. Is it possible to integrate a chip like this into the phone? How would you do that? Jeff Andros wrote: sparkfun has a few, this one jumped out at me, but check out the rest

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread joerg
Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Schmidt András: Hi! A compass module would be very nice with many applications! I have no hardware related experince. Is it possible to integrate a chip like this into the phone? How would you do that? True drop-in solution Simple I2C interface 2.7 to 5.2V

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Robin Paulson
On 23/01/2008, Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! A compass module would be very nice with many applications! I have no hardware related experince. Is it possible to integrate a chip like this into the phone? How would you do that? from the data sheet, this appears to connect via

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Nils Faerber
joerg schrieb: Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Schmidt András: Hi! A compass module would be very nice with many applications! I have no hardware related experince. Is it possible to integrate a chip like this into the phone? How would you do that? True drop-in solution Simple I2C interface

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Schmidt András
Hi! I was thinking about the same problem. But once I have seen a working compass in a phone already (we have crossed thick woods following the compass :-) - it was a friend's phone, I think a Nokia). So it is not impossible to integrate into a phone. In my opinion: 1. The GSM is not

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread joerg
Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Nils Faerber: I doubt that such a device would work in the phone, sorry. The GTA01 contains three loadspeakers with magnets, AFAIK GTA02 will still contain at least two. Then there is massive EM radiation from the GSM antenna which will interfere and finally

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Tilman Baumann
Schmidt András wrote: Hi! A compass module would be very nice with many applications! I have no hardware related experince. Is it possible to integrate a chip like this into the phone? How would you do that? Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no hardware hacks on the phone itself.

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Schmidt András
Tilman Baumann wrote: Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no hardware hacks on the phone itself. Should be pretty easy to hack a bluetooth-serial converter (like BlueSMiRF from sparkfun) to the sensor. Maybe with a little microcontroller glue in between. Bluetooth is very simple to code

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you have a GPS, because a GPS can give you a heading as soon as the measured velocity is not zero! However I think it's possible to calibrate a magnetic sensor so that it forgets its close magnetic environment and is only sensitive to the intented

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread luc
Hello, Citeren Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. The map of a GPS map viewer application turns when you turn the machine so it is always aligned with the environment (this feature is included on some GPS tools.) A handheld GPS use the change in position measured by GPS to

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread François TOURDE
Le 13901ième jour après Epoch, Schmidt András écrivait: Tilman Baumann wrote: Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no hardware hacks on the phone itself. Should be pretty easy to hack a bluetooth-serial converter (like BlueSMiRF from sparkfun) to the sensor. Maybe with a little

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Schmidt András
Sébastien Lorquet wrote: I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you have a GPS, because a GPS can give you a heading as soon as the measured velocity is not zero! It is true when you use it in a car when cruising with normal speeds. When you are using your GPS on foot (installed with a

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Schmidt András
François TOURDE wrote: Le 13901ième jour après Epoch, Schmidt András écrivait: Tilman Baumann wrote: Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no hardware hacks on the phone itself. Should be pretty easy to hack a bluetooth-serial converter (like BlueSMiRF from sparkfun) to the sensor.

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 23.01.2008 um 14:37 schrieb Sébastien Lorquet: I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you have a GPS, because a GPS can give you a heading as soon as the measured velocity is not zero! It is exactly useful for this reason: if you are not travelling by car but as a pedestrian,

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Frans Grotepass
On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Schmidt András wrote: François TOURDE wrote: Right! That was an other possible solution I was thinking about. Though I think that algorithm should be very carefully implemented (a very sensitive regulator filter) not to accumulate the measurment error of the

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Schmidt András
Frans Grotepass wrote: On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Schmidt András wrote: I am not even sure it is possible. GPS combined with INS? I think the accelerometers aren't accurate enough for INS I have the same opinion though I don't know what INS resolves to :-). Could you tell what

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Christopher Heiny
On Wednesday 23 January 2008, ground control picked up the following transmission from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Citeren Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED]:   1. The map of a GPS map viewer application turns when you turn the machine so it is always aligned with the environment (this feature is

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread joerg
Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Sébastien Lorquet: I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you have a GPS, because a GPS can give you a heading as soon as the measured velocity is not zero! You get heading of *velocity vector*, NOT heading of *device*! So for Andras' intended use, this is

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Tilman Baumann
François TOURDE wrote: Le 13901ième jour après Epoch, Schmidt András écrivait: Tilman Baumann wrote: Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no hardware hacks on the phone itself. Should be pretty easy to hack a bluetooth-serial converter (like BlueSMiRF from sparkfun) to the sensor. Maybe

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread joerg
Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: François TOURDE wrote: Maybe the 3D accels can do that. And the GPS can be used as a bearing indicator, when you move. No magnetic device needed in this case. As stated in prev posting, GPS _can_not_ deliver bearing of device at all. Imagine

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread François TOURDE
Le 13901ième jour après Epoch, Tilman Baumann écrivait: François TOURDE wrote: Le 13901ième jour après Epoch, Schmidt András écrivait: Tilman Baumann wrote: Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no hardware hacks on the phone itself. Should be pretty easy to hack a bluetooth-serial

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Christian Eddie Dost
You cannot calculate North (or any Heading) from Accelerometer data. You need a 3D Gyroscope (or 3 Gyros on 3 orthogonal axis). With this you can detect the orientation of the gyro relative to earth's rotational axis, and calculate gyroscope north from that. This is the same as true north if

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Frans Grotepass
On Wednesday 23 January 2008, Denis wrote: I think the accelerometers don't provide enough accuracy. For INS you need both 3d axial as rotational accelerometers. For a quick check how it works, check out the wikipedia. One of the first big uses was Nautilus under the Polar ice cap. The combo

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-23 Thread Mikael Lammentausta
The Nokia 5140 has a compass that works in the conventional method, by reading the Earth's magnetic field vectors. http://europe.nokia.com/A4144100 See the user guides, which are made with Flash... :o Here is a page in Finnish with more information about the compass .. sorry, couldn't find this

digital compass modules

2008-01-22 Thread Robin Paulson
i've got a project in mind for when my neo freerunner arrives, that needs a digital compass. only a simple thing, probably 3 degree accuracy would be enough. so, can anyone recommend a suitable module? something less than $50? ___ OpenMoko community

Re: digital compass modules

2008-01-22 Thread Jeff Andros
sparkfun has a few, this one jumped out at me, but check out the rest http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7892 On Jan 22, 2008 8:02 PM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got a project in mind for when my neo freerunner arrives, that needs a digital compass.