True, but at the moment we're just interested in getting Orego to play
ANY joseki, i.e., a reasonable move in some corner, rather than a
disastrous tenuki. Finding the right joseki will be future work.
(Orego also has a small fuseki book, which we're working to expand.)
On an intermediate
Hi Robert,
robert jasiek wrote:
Stefan Kaitschick wrote:
One day, when MCTS becomes more refined, bots will stop overestimating
the value of influence.
Why should they? Because most human players are overestimating
the value of early territory?
Interesting comment...
So, do you believe
Ingo Althöfer wrote:
So, do you believe that the human problem of overestimating early
territory is more severe than the MCTS-bot problem of overestimating
influence?
Of course, I was exaggerating as much as Stefan:) The truth is: We
simply don't know the perfect play's degree of territory
Ofcourse I can't say what a correct opening is.
What I can say though, is that if bots are onto something with their strange
openings, at this point it's by accident.
They really do underestimate the chances of an invader.
That goes for moyo parachute invasions as well as corner invasions.
I think
Robert Jasiek wrote:
...
PS: Can you give us a comment on Fuego's influence-oriented Joseki's
in the KGS bot tournament on Sunday ?
I am not sure which game that is; please send it to me / the
list as SGF inline or attachment. Or do you mean all games of
Fuego played on 11-08?
Fuego
Ingo Althöfer wrote:
2 x vs MoGo
Game Black wins by resignation:
W4 is violating my copyright:) (The move is perfectly ok, except that a
position like up to 8 is much easier to play with reversed colours.) 10
is terrible. 14 is good shape but the moyo value is a but too small
because D9 is
Hello Robert,
thanks for the detailed comments. I think,
there are many readers/actors here who appreciate them.
Here is the team of Fuego (status from Pamplona, May 2009):
Markus Enzenbergerengine programmer
Martin Müller engine programmer
Broderick Arneson engine programmer
Hello Robert,
thanks for your detailed comments. I think,
many readers/actors here appreciate them.
At one point you wrote:
... I do not mention some obvious mistakes.
Are they later in the game(s), or also
some in the openings? Not all here are really
go experts; so it would be helpful for
Ingo Althöfer wrote:
... I do not mention some obvious mistakes.
Are they later in the game(s), or also
some in the openings?
Also some during the opening. (Every dan player can point them out to
you. Ask those that can distinguish sum-style from obvious mistakes.)
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robert jasiek
Robert,
Your post is the first usage of sum-style that I have seen -- and I haven't
turned up anything at senseis.xmp.net.
What is sum-style? Can you elucidate? Do I have to read the book?
Thanks!
Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com
Anarchism is founded on the observation that since
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:10:53PM -0800, terry mcintyre wrote:
Robert,
Your post is the first usage of sum-style that I have seen -- and I haven't
turned up anything at senseis.xmp.net.
What is sum-style? Can you elucidate? Do I have to read the book?
It is best to watch some of his
When building a joseki database, there is a caveat which may not be obvious to
kyu-level players:
Some joseki sequences depend upon ladder relationships.
When the ladder succeeds, the joseki move may be brilliant. When the ladder
fails, the same sequence leads to disaster.
Smart opponents
Fuego was the clear winner of Sunday's KGS bot tournament, despite
playing without its opening book. My report is at
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/53/index.html
Nick
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Le 10/11/2009 à 15:56, Stefan Kaitschick a écrit :
Ofcourse I can't say what a correct opening is.
What I can say though, is that if bots are onto something with their strange
openings, at this point it's by accident.
It is not by accident, it is consistent with what the bot can read.
They
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:07:22PM +, Nick Wedd wrote:
Fuego was the clear winner of Sunday's KGS bot tournament, despite
playing without its opening book. My report is at
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/53/index.html
Thanks for the report. I'm confused by the commentary of round 4,
MCTS avoids evaluation. That is its main trick.
It also avoids subproblems like the plague. Atleast sofar.
I think you are absolutely right that in the end a program will need to be able
to define subproblems, their local status, and the conditions that will change
that status. The current
Robert Jasiek wrote:
... Ask those that can distinguish
sum-style from obvious mistakes.
Terry McIntyre wrote:
Robert,
Your post is the first usage of sum-style that I have seen
I found one earlier mentioning of sum-style, by Robert
in a godiscussion in Febrary 2009. Look at
Has anyone tried programming Go in the Go Programming Language?
http://golang.org/
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