Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread Jean-loup Gailly
The strong pachi is really strong! What hardware is it running on? Can you say how it differs from the vanilla pachi? It's exactly the same software. The only difference is that is running on 23 cores. I am amazed at how well MCTS scales on 19x19. Looking forward to desktop machines with

[computer-go] Re: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello Don, several very good points by you! Does anyone have data based on several thousands games that attempts to measure the effect of dynamic komi? I would like to see results that are statistically meaningful. I had eight handplayed (4 + 4) games on 19x19 with very high

Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread Yamato
Jean-loup Gailly wrote: The strong pachi is really strong! What hardware is it running on? Can you say how it differs from the vanilla pachi? It's exactly the same software. The only difference is that is running on 23 cores. I am amazed at how well MCTS scales on 19x19. Looking forward to

Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:30:56AM +0100, Jean-loup Gailly wrote: It's exactly the same software. The only difference is that is running on 23 cores. I am amazed at how well MCTS scales on 19x19. It would be interesting to know how well Pachi scales on KGS against ranked humans vs a

Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread Jean-loup Gailly
What is your 23 core hardware? It's actually 24 cores but I'm leaving 1 core free for the OS and other background tasks. The chips are commercially available, search for 6 cores or 24 cores on your favorite search engine. Jean-loup ___ computer-go

Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread Jean-loup Gailly
It would be interesting to know how well Pachi scales on KGS against ranked humans vs a single core version. Yes it would be interesting but it's a bit difficult to run this experiment. The software and its parameters is constantly changing. We can't create a new kgs bot for every new version

Re: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 02:57:32PM +0100, Jean-loup Gailly wrote: Yes it would be interesting but it's a bit difficult to run this experiment. The software and its parameters is constantly changing. We can't create a new kgs bot for every new version or parameter change, it

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.dewrote: Hello Don, several very good points by you! Does anyone have data based on several thousands games that attempts to measure the effect of dynamic komi? I would like to see results that are statistically

[computer-go] Re: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Don Dailey wrote: Ingo Althofer: I had eight handplayed (4 + 4) games on 19x19 with very high handicap, where the version with dynamic komi (rule 42) gained a 3-1 score and the version with static komi performed 0-4 versus the same opponent. This is evidence in the 95% region that the

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Petr Baudis
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:29:36PM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: Does anyone have data based on several thousands games that attempts to measure the effect of dynamic komi?I would like to see results that are statistically meaningful. We need to see a few thousand games played against a

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
I'm not being critical of anything that has already been presented, I just have not seen it myself and I've been pretty busy working on chess so my focus is not currently on this. But I look forward to reading the paper if it's public. (I'm not going to buy the paper.) Don 2010/2/18 Petr

[computer-go] Re [on pasky]: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello Petr, thx for the diagram. A few question for clarification: Does RAVE mean pachi-with-RAVE? Does RAVE-linkomi mean pachi-with-RAVE-linkomi? Did all three bots (GNUGO, RAVE, RAVE-linkomi) have the same (weak) opponent in these experiments? Who was this common opponent? Was this on 19x19?

Re: [computer-go] Re [on pasky]: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 05:43:58PM +0100, Ingo Althöfer wrote: thx for the diagram. A few question for clarification: Does RAVE mean pachi-with-RAVE? Yes. Does RAVE-linkomi mean pachi-with-RAVE-linkomi? Yes. Did all three bots (GNUGO, RAVE, RAVE-linkomi) have the same (weak)

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread dhillismail
Ingo, I'm not a proper statistician, but I believe there's a crucial second step that's missing in your analysis of significance. Even if this were the only computer-go test that you personally had ever conducted, we would nevertheless need to take into account all of the other tests being

RE: [computer-go] Strong programs on cgos 19x19?

2010-02-18 Thread David Fotland
Is this 23 cores SMP working on the same tree, or four by 6-cores? I'm running a cluster of four 4-core 2.3 GHz machines, using MPI to share the core of the trees a few times a second. The results between zen-1c, mfgo-16c and pachi-23c are interesting. Zen wins about 60% against many

[computer-go] Re [Dave]: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello Dave, I'm not a proper statistician, but I believe there's a crucial second step that's missing in your analysis of significance. You are right in the sense that I was not precise enough in my statement. Here comes a new attempt. I have three players A, B, C. A plays four times

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 01:28:51PM +0100, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Does anyone have data based on several thousands games that attempts to measure the effect of dynamic komi? I would like to see results that are statistically meaningful. I had eight handplayed (4 + 4) games

[computer-go] Re [Pasky]: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Petr Baudis asked: I'm confused. What do you mean by This is evidence in the 95% region? 3/4 has confidence interval from 19% to 99%, 0/4 has confidence interval from 0% to 60%. Assume for simplicity that both A and B have a 50 % winning chance for each single game against C. The cases with

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
2010/2/18 dhillism...@netscape.net Ingo, I'm not a proper statistician, but I believe there's a crucial second step that's missing in your analysis of significance. Even if this were the only computer-go test that you personally had ever conducted, we would nevertheless need to take into

Re: [computer-go] Re [Pasky]: Dynamic Komi at 9x9 ?

2010-02-18 Thread Petr Baudis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 07:39:21PM +0100, Ingo Althöfer wrote: Petr Baudis asked: I'm confused. What do you mean by This is evidence in the 95% region? 3/4 has confidence interval from 19% to 99%, 0/4 has confidence interval from 0% to 60%. Assume for simplicity that both A and B have a