[Computer-go] Sensei

Hello all, I think we are forgetting one thing, that is, for a long time there was one person who played only with White for hundreds of years.. AlphaGo could play as thus. Also, in the old days, there was no komi and he went second. No komi... Also, I once wrote a paper on komi entitled

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

On 12.03.2016 22:03, Thomas Wolf wrote: We currently have no measure at all to judge how safe a winor loss is at any stage of the game. We have my theory according to my books for assessing the territorial and the dynamic aspects (development directions, neutral stones, statuses (incl. those

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

The single machine version and the 2000 machine version is apparently a difference in 150 ELO, so maybe a 32 core instance in Amazon would be close enough, costing about 1200$ a month. Maybe it's doable, or for a Tokyo U. or BGA or AGA to set up something like this with Google permission. On

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

I'd expect this achievement by AlphaGo is very similar to when the first human ran a 4 minute mile. No one had done it prior. However, right after Roger Bannister did it, suddenly there were people all over the planet doing it. Roger Bannister essentially made the possibility real, and then the

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

At this point I don't doubt that the single machine version is professional strength which is enough to be used as a tool to analyze games... On 2016-03-12 16:24, Lukas van de Wiel wrote: This would be many thousands of dollars per day. A single game would be more than a thousand dollars in

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

This would be many thousands of dollars per day. A single game would be more than a thousand dollars in total costs. I do not think a kickstarter project or so would be successful, as the go community is simply not *that* big... On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

It does seem unlikely for DeepMind not to move on to "bigger" things, but maybe the Go community can make some kind of fundraiser to keep an instance of AlphaGo playing 24/7? I think there are some websites for this kind of thing. Someone would be in charge of scheduling time for it to play pros,

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Oh, I did not say that it would not be beneficial, to AlphaGo, and to the people playing it, and to the Go community as a whole, but still, it will have to come from somewhere. Just the electricity bill alone would be hair-raising. And the big-scale benefits in prestige and marketing are over,

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Lukas van de Wiel wrote: And the hardware available for this tournament was tremendous. It remains to be seen whether the hardware and the people maintaining it would be available for a longer period. The costs of this are not to be underestimated. Who would pay it?

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

And the hardware available for this tournament was tremendous. It remains to be seen whether the hardware and the people maintaining it would be available for a longer period. The costs of this are not to be underestimated. Who would pay it? Lukas On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Clark B.

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Thomas Wolf wrote: > Having AlphaGo playing exclusively on KGS would be such a boost to KGS! > > For sure. The other Go servers might have their own opinion on that. Clark ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Having AlphaGo playing exclusively on KGS would be such a boost to KGS! On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Brian Sheppard wrote: Play on KGS. Pros can be anonymous, and test themselves and AlphaGo at the same time. :-)   From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Jim

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

It makes me think that is a very good idea that they did not select a Japanese professional to play AlphaGo, They tend to be very passionate about shame (even though there is of course no shame in losing against AlphaGo) and it might have been... messy... On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Jim

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Play on KGS. Pros can be anonymous, and test themselves and AlphaGo at the same time. :-) From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Jim O'Flaherty Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 4:56 PM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go]

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

I think you're correct, Thomas. The challenge is going to be getting ANY professional to be the one who "takes handicap stones" for the first time in years. The possible "shame" of doing so is what will make it messy. Once someone does take that step, though, I think it is only a matter of time

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Playing on KGS will give a good sense. Players have sustained ranks between 9 and 10 dan there, but never over 10 dan. If AlphaGo can sustain over 10 dan, then there is clear separation. -Original Message- From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Chris, Prompted from a discussion on the computer go email list (and my last email today) : We currently have no measure at all to judge how safe a winor loss is at any stage of the game. The measure applied currently of counting territory does only apply if both players try to maximize

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

It is fascinating indeed to try to find how much stronger is AlphaGo compared to top humans. Given the fact that it is hard to find the reason why Lee Sedol lost, and that AlphaGo seems to get mysteriously ahead without a clear reason, tells me that the difference is definitely more than one

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Hi Ingo, I have the manuscript of 2 books with each 100 computer generated problems which 1st class insei Yutae Seo (Korea) picked out of 20,000 computer generated problems, working for 5 months on this selection. Many have a tricky ko status. I am happy to provide them. Simpler even and more

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Give it the hatsuyo-ron :) On Mar 12, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Ingo Althöfer wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Von: "Thomas Wolf" >> A suggestion for possible future games to be arranged between AlphaGo and >> strong players: >> >> Whoever lost shall be given 1 stone or the equivalent of 1/2

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Hi Thomas, Von: "Thomas Wolf" > A suggestion for possible future games to be arranged between AlphaGo and > strong players: > > Whoever lost shall be given 1 stone or the equivalent of 1/2 stone handcap in > the > next game. Games should continue until each side has won at

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

I LOVE this suggestion! On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Thomas Wolf wrote: > A suggestion for possible future games to be arranged between AlphaGo and > strong players: > > Whoever lost shall be given 1 stone or the equivalent of 1/2 stone handcap > in the > next game. Games

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

A suggestion for possible future games to be arranged between AlphaGo and strong players: Whoever lost shall be given 1 stone or the equivalent of 1/2 stone handcap in the next game. Games should continue until each side has won at least once. This way AlphaGo will be forced to demonstrate its

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Congratulations again, Aja! Once you told me (or I told you?) that "Go is fighting!". Now which do you think, fighting or (whole-board) perspective? Best regrads, Hideki Aja Huang: : >Thanks all. AlphaGo has won the match

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Dear Aja, congratulations to you and the whole AlphaGo team for this awesome performance of your bot! I fully understand that you take also the last two games seriously. But, please, do it in such a way that Lee Sedol will be willing to support you in further matches to come. Enjoy the day,

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

And please tell us how many stones AlphaGo can give to Aja or to other strong players :-) (well, I understand you have the two last games to take care of :-) ) On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Erik van der Werf < erikvanderw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Congratulations Aja & Deepmind team! > > Now

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Congratulations Aja & Deepmind team! Now that the victory is clear, perhaps you can say a bit more on the latest developments? Any major scientific breakthroughs beyond what we already know from the Nature paper? Enjoy the moments! Erik On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Aja Huang

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Well done, Aja and all the DeepMind team (including all the "backroom boys" who've given the reliability on the hardware side). BTW, I've gained great pleasure seeing you sitting there with the union jack, representing queen and country; you'll probably receive a knighthood. :-) > Thanks all.

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Congratulations to DeepMind team! What an excellent full-board perspective. Hideki Lukas van de Wiel:

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

It was exhilerating to witness history being made! Awesome! On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:17 AM, David Fotland wrote: > Tremendous games by AlphaGo. Congratulations! > > > > *From:* Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] *On > Behalf Of *Lukas van de Wiel

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Tremendous games by AlphaGo. Congratulations! From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Lukas van de Wiel Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 12:14 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo Whoa, what a fight! Well

[Computer-go] Congratulations to AlphaGo

Whoa, what a fight! Well fought, and well won! Lukas ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go