[Computer-go] Number of Go positions is itself a Go position

To quote from: http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html > It should come as no surprise that L19, viewed as a position, is > itself illegal. In this absolute form this statement got disproved in my German Go Forum article at http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?topic=5935.msg216064#msg216064

Re: [Computer-go] sgf file for recent handicap games of pros vs programs

And as Hideko Kato already mentioned yesterday, you've to do some sanitation after extraction. E.g. with sed -i 's/KM\[\(.\)50/CA[utf-8]KM[\1.50/' *.sgf (assuming GNU sed here, but should work similarly with BSD sed in Mac OS) Am 01/23/2018 um 01:58 PM schrieb David Ongaro: > It's a zip f

Re: [Computer-go] sgf file for recent handicap games of pros vs programs

It's a zip file: david@belle:~/Downloads$ file FineArt_A-2hcp.sgf FineArt_A-2hcp.sgf: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract Am 01/23/2018 um 12:52 PM schrieb Ray Tayek: > is anyone collecting the sgf file for these games? > > i get the stuff below when i try to download. > > thanks > > >

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

On 2017-10-23 at 23:56, Thomas Rohde  wrote: > On 2017-10-23 at 19:15, Xavier Combelle wrote: > > > Hi Robert Jasiek, > >  > > you might have a delusional way to see the game of go and life, >  > this is quite an insult Do you consider Robert's style of discussion "kind"? I for my part do not.

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero

Am 10/21/2017 um 03:12 AM schrieb uurtamo .: This sounds like a nice idea that is a misguided project. [...] Just accept that something awesome happened and that studying those things that make it work well are more interesting than translating coefficients into a bad understanding for

[Computer-go] Human Bias for 50 game selection? 0.5 Komi?

Dear Aya, I hope you still read this list and will answer a question once in a while even though AlphaGo has retired. On fb you answered Cho Seok-bins question "I heard that alphaGo master is 3stone stronger than sedol version. Is it only rating deference? or did they have played with 3stone

Re: [Computer-go] Yoon Young Sun (9p) on codecentric game

Lukas didn’t play DeepZen, just “Zen” (or Zen19X on KGS to be specific, also see https://blog.codecentric.de/en/2016/08/codecentric-go-challenge-2016/ ). As the organizer of the event you’re ought to know that? > On Jan

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Robert Jasiek <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > > On 09.01.2017 07:19, David Ongaro wrote: > >> accurate positional judgement >> you also rely on “feelings” otherwise you wouldn’t be able to survive. > > In my go decision-making, fee

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Robert Jasiek <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > > On 06.01.2017 03:36, David Ongaro wrote: >> Two amateur players where analyzing a Game and a professional player >> happened to come by. >> So they asked him how he would assess the position.

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

network from scratch. Furthermore retraining the value network will probably affect the playing style even more. Thanks, David O. > Am 05.01.2017 um 10:50 schrieb Paweł Morawiecki: >> 2017-01-04 21:07 GMT+01:00 David Ongaro <david.ong...@hamburg.de>: >> >>> >&g

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

After this unbelievable streak of 60 won games (even though we still have to see how it holds up with longer time control) it’s not completely unthinkable anymore to play top pros with a handicap. Sadly because the Komi is fixed for the value network it seems the next bigger handicap is 2

Re: [Computer-go] do you know King of Tsumego: Panda Sensei on android

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Le 26/10/2016 à 19:42, David Ongaro a écrit : >> >>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:xavier.combe...@g

Re: [Computer-go] do you know King of Tsumego: Panda Sensei on android

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Xavier Combelle > wrote: > > but it seems to me there is a problem in this variation proposed by Haylee: > http://eidogo.com/#3z7gfMaeI:0,7 You’re right. Instead of q16 B should play t14 immediately.

[Computer-go] GoGui dead?

The GoGui Website on "http://gogui.sourceforge.net “ states: "This software is no longer actively developed or supported.” And Indeed there doesn’t seem to be any updates since beginning of the year (and that is after a 2 year hiatus). So what are you using as an

Re: [Computer-go] US Go Congress AlphaGo Keynote speech uploaded to AGA Youtube Channel

> On Aug 3, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Chun Sun wrote: > > This is the first talk by Aja and Fan Hui on Saturday 7/30 night. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX8Knl0g0LE > Thanks for the link, that was really revealing. So we can

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

On 01 Jun 2016, at 00:45, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> wrote: > On 31-05-16 22:56, David Ongaro wrote: >> Isn't e.g. TensorFlow Apache 2.0 license and would allow its >> inclusion in commercial products? > > TensorFlow relies on CuDNN for good GPU performance

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

> On 31 May 2016, at 13:11, Gian-Carlo Pascutto <g...@sjeng.org> wrote: > > On 31/05/2016 20:45, David Ongaro wrote: >> I suspect Aja is right and Remi should go the path of integrating the >> GPU even if it's just to get more "oomph" for CS. That he t

Re: [Computer-go] Commercial Go software and high-end users

Hi Ingo, > On 31 May 2016, at 00:07, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi Petr, > > "Petr Baudis" >>> ... It is enough that the [CHESS] program is tactically strong. >> >> But strong Go programs are traditionally strategically strong, but >> tactically *weak*. >

Re: [Computer-go] OmegaGo

Some of "Dr. Browns" pamphlets remind me of Herman Hesse's Steppenwolf. But Hesse's text was much more refined and enjoyable to read, so I think "SPAM" is a fitting categorisation. > On 20 Apr 2016, at 00:57, Michael Markefka wrote: > > Can I flag this as spam? >

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

can get this right? Thanks, David > On 7 April 2016 at 20:15, David Ongaro <david.ong...@hamburg.de> wrote: > Thanks, but what do you mean by that cheesy comment "Human players can find > this hard to understand"? If you want to make a meaningful comment yo

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen!

gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi David, > > Thank you for telling me about this. I have added a link to the article. > > Best, > Nick > > > On 4 April 2016 at 16:53, David Ongaro <david.ong...@hamburg.de> wrote: > Sorry for being late to the "game" (bu

Re: [Computer-go] new challenge for Go programmers

On 30 Mar 2016, at 03:04, djhbrown . wrote: > > as to preconceived notions, my own notions are postconceived, having > studied artificial intelligence and biological computation over 40 > post-doctoral years during which i have published 50 or so > peer-reviewed scientific

Re: [Computer-go] Nice graph

That would mean 3 stones if the "4 stone handicap" has the same definition as in the paper (7.5 Komi for white and 3 extra moves for black after the first move. Yes that implies that a traditional 4 stone handicap (without Komi for white) is in fact 3.5 Stones). > On 25 Mar 2016, at 17:23,

Re: [Computer-go] Knowledge Details

On 03 Feb 2016, at 06:58, Robert Jasiek wrote: > > On 03.02.2016 15:34, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: >> Best of luck finding your way through your meaning and value (emotional) >> reintegration of this newest reality update. > > Nothing has changed (or will change when "brute force"

Re: [Computer-go] CNN with 54% prediction on KGS 6d+ data

Did everyone forget the fact that stronger playouts don't necessarily lead to an better evaluation function? (Yes, that what playouts essential are, a dynamic evaluation function.) This is even under the assumption that we can reach the same number of playouts per move. > On 08 Dec 2015, at

Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to CrazyStone!

> On looking at the position later, I found that White would get two more ko > threats by starting at c2, they are at c1 and then at e2, while Black has two > ko threats in the upper left corner. So by playing at c2 instead of a2, White > could have won the ko fight and the game. (I realise

Re: [computer-go] Great Wall Opening by Bruce Wilcox

Ingo Althöfer schrieb: Now I made some autoplay tests, starting from the end position given in the appendix of this mail. * one game with Leela 3.16; Black won. * four games with MFoG 12.016; two wins each for Black and White. So there is some indiciation that the Great Wall works even for bots,

Re: [computer-go] Rating variability on CGOS

David Fotland schrieb: Many Faces also had more trouble against pachi than you would expect from its rating. Perhaps Pachi is generally stronger, but throws away some percentage of games (even against weak players) because of some bug. Seems plausible. But instead of guessing, the standard