Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-22 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
A last esthetic suggestion: let's mark the lower group and label with 1 the last move Black did in the ko: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L62m7i_IJX8FCB_8rIOwjYK3tR1GZZaq/view?usp=sharing On 23 June 2018 at 00:19, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: > Well all my reasoning was good but for the form

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-22 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
side ko). --Marcel On 23 June 2018 at 00:06, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: > OK I think there is one thing to be done to make the solution longer: > > 1. mark the middle ko and then > 2. problem should be: B just captured in the middle ko and W is to > move - is the group alive?

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-22 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
at y (x = 0, y = 1, z = 1, F true), B takes at z (x = 0, y = 1, z = 0, F false) and W is dead as no matter what W does F remains false (equivalent to ladders failing for W). --Marcel On 22 June 2018 at 22:27, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: > Errata: assuming x is the top ko then the form

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-22 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
Errata: assuming x is the top ko then the formula encoded by this problem is z && (y || x) with x = 1, y = 0, z = 0 and W cannot play at z. Thus W is already dead you cannot make the formula true. --Marcel On 22 June 2018 at 22:19, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: > The position looks OK is

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-22 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
The position looks OK is great - I didn't find any side solutions. Just one observation: I think this encodes x && y || y || z and W is dead already thus is arguably a easier problem :) Should make for a great wall poster. On 22 June 2018 at 19:48, John Tromp wrote: > at the bottom of my

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-19 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
GO.) Thanks, Marcel On 19 June 2018 at 13:10, uurtamo wrote: > _first capture_, no? > > s. > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 6:59 PM Marcel Crasmaru wrote: >> >> I've eventually managed to create a problem that should show a full >> reduction from a Robson proble

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-19 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
adders and makes the group alive. Now the question is how hard is to program a tsumego solver for this (kind of) problem. Cheers, Marcel On 19 June 2018 at 11:35, John Tromp wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: >>> White can start one ladder as a ko t

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-19 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:52 AM, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: >> I've eventually managed to create a problem that should show a full >> reduction from a Robson problem to Go - I hope is correct. >> >> The Problem: >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tmClDIs-ba

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-18 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
I've eventually managed to create a problem that should show a full reduction from a Robson problem to Go - I hope is correct. The Problem: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tmClDIs-baXUqRC7fQ2iKzMRXoQuGmz2/view?usp=sharing Black just captured in the marked ko. How should White play to save the

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-18 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
apture any stone then I believe you actually prove that first-capture go is PSPACE complete. --Marcel On 18 June 2018 at 20:17, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: > You can also find here one of my attempts to create a difficult Robson > like problem on a Go board but I guess I've run into

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-18 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
ed proofs here: > https://puszcza.gnu.org.ua/projects/hol-proofs/ Right now I am still > finishing a formalization of algorithms for handling dates in the > Gregorian calendar (the ordinary calendar). > > Regards. > > On 18/06/18 13:23, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: >> H

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-18 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
Also - a downloadable link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tLCYr74UwVQsXAE2QrcwrGALIduH34b8/view?usp=sharing --Marcel On 18 June 2018 at 19:35, Andries E. Brouwer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 11:54:51AM -0500, Mario Xerxes Castelán Castro wrote: >> Hello. I am asking for help finding

Re: [Computer-go] Paper “Complexity of Go” by Robson

2018-06-18 Thread Marcel Crasmaru
Errata: > reduction from GO to an EXP hard problem should be the other way around :) --Marcel On 18 June 2018 at 19:36, Marcel Crasmaru wrote: >> J. M. Robson (1983) “The Complexity of Go”. Proceedings of the IFIP >> Congress 1983 p. 413-417. > > If you are inter