Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-09 Thread Rémi Coulom
The two wins of King against Kata have the same opening. I made the opening book of Crazy Stone to avoid this problem. Whenever it draws or loses a game, it marks the leaf of the tree as losing, so that it avoids playing it again. On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 5:06 AM David Wu wrote: > On Fri, May 8,

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread David Wu
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:46 PM uurtamo . wrote: > And this has no book, right? So it should be badly abused by a very good > book? > > Maybe! But the version that was running before which went something like 48-52-1 (last time I counted it up) against the other top 3 bots that were rated 3300+

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread David Wu
kata-bot on OGS is intended for human players on OGS and is never guaranteed to be any particular version (certainly not an up-to-date version) nor have any specific fixed settings. You should generally not use it for testing - just download KataGo and run it yourself (in Lizzie, or Sabaki, or

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread uurtamo .
And this has no book, right? So it should be badly abused by a very good book? s. On Fri, May 8, 2020, 3:28 PM David Wu wrote: > I'm running a new account of KataGo that is set to bias towards aggressive > or difficult moves now (the same way it does in 19x19 handicap games), to > see what the

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread Kyle Biedermann
Sounds fun and interesting experiment, I have noticed the increase in preference to the 4-4 as of lately across the majority of AI. I still prefer the 5-5 opening it seems to hold against Katago at the moment. Maybe i'll test out some things to see if it can find some interesting new moves. Is it

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread David Wu
I'm running a new account of KataGo that is set to bias towards aggressive or difficult moves now (the same way it does in 19x19 handicap games), to see what the effect is. Although, it seems like some people have stopped running their bots. Still maybe it will be interesting for the remaining

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread Kyle Biedermann
I looked through the game on one point I found some draw lines at move 13 b5 instead of b6 I tried out the line on OGS against KataGo https://online-go.com/game/23768001 small sample if you have any other variations you want me to try out I could do that. Kyle Biedermann Creator of Deep Scholar

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread Kensuke Matsuzaki
Rn says move 21 and move 27 was not good, but I can't understand. rn.6.3.945 is running on EC2 g4dn.12xlarge, and it's network is 256 channel * 20 resnet blocks. > And congratulations to rn for beating kata in a very beautiful game: >

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-08 Thread Rémi Coulom
And congratulations to rn for beating kata in a very beautiful game: http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/viewer.cgi?9x9/SGF/2020/05/08/998312.sgf I am not strong enough to appreciate all the subtleties, but the complexity looks amazing. Rémi On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 10:04 PM Ryan Hayward wrote: > Hey

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread Ryan Hayward
Hey Martin, thanks! I never realized that the sgf came with a viewer... beautiful :) yeah, wild wild wild... looking forward to seeing 6x6 games like this :) R On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:03 PM Martin Mueller wrote: > http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/viewer.cgi?9x9/SGF/2020/05/07/997479.sgf > >

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread Martin Mueller
http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/viewer.cgi?9x9/SGF/2020/05/07/997479.sgf Great games! This is my favorite so far. The way black lives inside the super-safe white area is incredible... Martin ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread David Wu
Having it matter which of the stones you capture there is fascinating. Thanks for the analysis - and thanks for "organizing" this 9x9 testing party. :) On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:06 PM Rémi Coulom wrote: > If White recaptures the Ko, then Black can play at White's 56, capture the > stone, and

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
If White recaptures the Ko, then Black can play at White's 56, capture the stone, and win by 2 points. On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 5:02 PM Shawn Ligocki wrote: > Thanks for sharing the games, Rémi! > > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 6:27 AM Rémi Coulom wrote: > >> In this game, Crazy Stone won using a

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread David Wu
Yes, it's fun to see suddenly a little cluster of people running strong 9x9 bots. :) katab40s37-awsp3 is running on one AWS p3 2xlarge instance. So it's a single V100, with some settings tuned appropriately for good performance on that hardware and board size and time control (mainly, 96

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread Shawn Ligocki
Thanks for sharing the games, Rémi! On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 6:27 AM Rémi Coulom wrote: > In this game, Crazy Stone won using a typical Monte Carlo trick: > http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/viewer.cgi?9x9/SGF/2020/05/07/997390.sgf > On move 27, it sacrificed a stone. According to Crazy Stone, the game

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-07 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, Thanks to all the strong bots who joined. Kata is impressive. Does anyone know more about its configuration? Is it a single V100 or many? I watched some games, and some where spectacular. A firework of ko fights: http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/viewer.cgi?9x9/SGF/2020/05/07/997314.sgf In this

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-06 Thread Brian Lee
Agreed on the book interface! If you click through to the end of a variation, you can see that the evaluation is a minimax'd evaluation, instead of an average over the subtree nodes, even if the overall tree was generated via a UCT algorithm. The values seem a bit more fragile to me as a

Re: [Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-06 Thread uurtamo .
great book interface, by the way. s. On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 11:01 AM Rémi Coulom wrote: > Hi, > > I trained a neural network for 9x9, and it is playing on CGOS. > > The network has 40 layers (20 residual blocks) of 256 units. It is running > on a Titan V GPU, with a batch of 64, at about 9k

[Computer-go] Crazy Stone is playing on CGOS 9x9

2020-05-06 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I trained a neural network for 9x9, and it is playing on CGOS. The network has 40 layers (20 residual blocks) of 256 units. It is running on a Titan V GPU, with a batch of 64, at about 9k playouts per second. It is using an opening book that you can browse online there: