Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
go.org> Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies "Seki means a constellation on the go board with twoliving neighboring groups: one by Black, the other one by White. Each of the groups has only one eye"  Why would you need an eye for seki? http://senseis.xmp.net/?Seki Shared liberties

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 18.01.2016 15:58, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: understand the development of the fight during the running game. Simply speaking, there is a relation between a) captures / avoiding captures and thus controlled regions of the board and b) score peaks. This is so for ordinary captures, ordinary

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 18.01.2016 08:47, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: My main motivation for thinking about Seki was/is the question if it is possible to recognize upcoming Seki situations in the histograms of an MCTS bot As you have understood now, seki detection is not only a shape / topology question but mainly is

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Petri Pitkanen
*"Seki means a constellation on the go board with two* *living neighboring groups: one by Black, the other oneby White. Each of the groups has only one eye"* Why would you need an eye for seki? http://senseis.xmp.net/?Seki Shared liberties is good enough and quite typical in my limited

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-18 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Robert, thanks for your new (again) interesting comments. Perhaps it would be interesting to perform some experiements with a "CrazyRobert" team sooner or later ("Crazy" stand for CrazyStone, the computer part) - in the spirit of the CrazyManja experiments in 2015. I will contact you by

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-17 Thread Nick Wedd
There are some exotic sekis on this page by Denis Feldman: http://denisfeldmann.fr/bestiary3.htm#p2 Nick On 17 January 2016 at 16:04, Thomas Wolf wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hi Robert, >> >> thanks for the whole bunch of very intersting

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-17 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Robert, thanks for the whole bunch of very intersting information. > Seki has AT LEAST two groups > Sekis can have various different shapes ... > ... stable anti-sekis (stable because other anti-sekis exist elsewhere on the > board). Can you give an example for anti-seki? > Listing

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-17 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 17.01.2016 12:19, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: Can you give an example for anti-seki? One black string and one white string share exactly one liberty and do not have any other liberty. Copy & paste the same but invert colours elsewhere on the board. The shortest perfect play is to pass. It

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-17 Thread Thomas Wolf
Hi, On Sun, 17 Jan 2016, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: Hi Robert, thanks for the whole bunch of very intersting information. Seki has AT LEAST two groups Sekis can have various different shapes ... ... stable anti-sekis (stable because other anti-sekis exist elsewhere on the board). Can

Re: [Computer-go] Seki frequencies

2016-01-16 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 17.01.2016 05:33, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: Seki means a constellation on the go board with two living neighboring groups: one by Black, the other one by White. Each of the groups has only one eye. And they share a joint liberty. Seki has AT LEAST two groups. Sekis can have various different