Re: [computer-go] libego

2007-10-22 Thread Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen
On 21/10/2007, Chris Fant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I'm getting this when I compile. Is gcc having a problem finding the standard library? Any idea what I need to do to fix it? BTW, I'm no Linux expert. # make basic_go_types.cpp: In constructor 'player_t::player_t()':

[computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Jason House
An XML alternative [1] to SGF has recently come to my attention. What do others think of this alternative? Personally, the effect of a tag affecting the previous tag seems kind of strange to me. PS: I found out about this from [2], a recently closed GoGui feature request to write more sane sgf

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I personally hate XML. It's crazy to reject SGF because of it's readability only to use XML which is verbose and only somewhat readable if you carefully construct it to be.What is crazy to me is that it was desgined to be HUMAN readable, and

[computer-go] Re: XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Dyer
XML per se is not an improvement - it's just another way of wrapping data in a parseable package. XML says nothing about the structure, content, and semantics of the data. SGF does all that, it's very Go-friendly, and there are already many tools that use it for Go.

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Phil G
XML is overkill with little to no additional benefits. I can't read XML better than SGF. Plus it could be difficult to implemented on platforms which do not have pre-made libraries for reading/writing XML documents, and writing an XML parser from scratch is not a trivial task. However, I am

[computer-go] Re: alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Dyer
However, I am in favor of changing the SGF format to allow coordinate encoding using the standard coordinates system rather than the one created just for SGF; i.e., a1 vs aa. I routinely use sgf for non-go games and completely ignore the standard set of tag names and contents. This works

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Of all the possibilities, I think what Phil says is the most sensible thing. - - Don Phil G wrote: !-- DIV {margin:0px;} -- XML is overkill with little to no additional benefits. I can't read XML better than SGF. Plus it could be difficult

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Jason House
On 10/22/07, Phil G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To start, we just need the leading Go programs to read either encoding format (so they are backwards compatible). This should be somewhat trivial since you can tell which format just by looking at the coordinate encoding. In my go bubble, the list

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Don Dailey
Also, if converters were supplied it would be easy. A simple utility to go either way. - Don Jason House wrote: On 10/22/07, *Phil G* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To start, we just need the leading Go programs to read either encoding format (so they are

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Phil G
I'll take a look at GoGui tonight and see if I can provide a patch (unless Markus does this first). - Original Message From: Jason House [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my go bubble, the list of leading programs would be: * GoGui (which already supports reading the alternate format) * KGS To a

[computer-go] 19x19 CGOS

2007-10-22 Thread Christoph Birk
What happened to the 19x19 CGOS revival? Christoph ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] 19x19 CGOS

2007-10-22 Thread Don Dailey
The mogo team is reviving it. Last I heard they had it working - so I assume they are testing it? - Don Christoph Birk wrote: What happened to the 19x19 CGOS revival? Christoph ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Markus Enzenberger
On Mon October 22 2007 10:15, Don Dailey wrote: almost impossible to write XML manually without bugs. it also seems to be hard to write an SGF file without bugs. I recently run a test on a collection of about 5000 SGF files from various sources on the web and more than 20% of them generated a

[computer-go] Re: XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Dyer
At 04:03 PM 10/22/2007, Markus Enzenberger wrote: On Mon October 22 2007 10:15, Don Dailey wrote: almost impossible to write XML manually without bugs. it also seems to be hard to write an SGF file without bugs. I recently run a test on a collection of about 5000 SGF files from various sources

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Don Dailey
Markus Enzenberger wrote: On Mon October 22 2007 10:15, Don Dailey wrote: almost impossible to write XML manually without bugs. it also seems to be hard to write an SGF file without bugs. 20% of the games or 20% of the sources? 20% of the games could have come from a single

Re: [computer-go] XML alternatives to SGF

2007-10-22 Thread Phil G
- Original Message From: Phil G [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll take a look at GoGui tonight and see if I can provide a patch (unless Markus does this first). To my surprise, GoGui can already read SGF with standard coordinates! :)___ computer-go