Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-02-04 Thread uurtamo .
Not to beat a dead horse, but big numbers aren't inherently interesting to describe. There are integers bigger than any integer anyone has written down in any form. This particular integer is large, but "consumable". I guess I get tired of the "number of atoms in the observable universe"

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-02-01 Thread Olivier Teytaud
> > > I am pretty sure that such an implicit expression exists: it is << the >> number of etc etc >> > > We do not speak of just the definition of what kind of number to find, but > of the construction of finding the number (or already of a compression of > its explicit digits). It's hard to

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-02-01 Thread Olivier Teytaud
> > > How do you know that an implicit expression (of length smaller than 10^80) > of the number does not exist? :) > I am pretty sure that such an implicit expression exists: it is << the number of etc etc >> (formalized for your favorite set of rules :-) ). --

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-01-31 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 31.01.2016 17:19, John Tromp wrote: It will never be known since there's not enough space in the known universe to write it down. We're talking about a number with over 10^100 digits. How do you know that an implicit expression (of length smaller than 10^80) of the number does not exist?

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-01-31 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 31.01.2016 19:57, John Tromp wrote: What is your best estimate of point where where chances are even? I do not know. what numbers the press could use that are not too arbitrary. - The number P of legal positions. - An empirical average number I of available intersections for the next

[Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-01-31 Thread Robert Jasiek
According to John Tromp et al at http://tromp.github.io/go/legal.html the number of legal 19x19 go positions is P19 = 2081681993819799846 9947863334486277028 6522453884530548425 6394568209274196127 3801537852564845169 8519643907259916015 6281285460898883144 2712971531931755773

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and the Standard Mistake in Research and Journalism

2016-01-31 Thread John Tromp
dear Robert, > The number G19 of legal games under a given go ruleset is unknown. It will never be known since there's not enough space in the known universe to write it down. We're talking about a number with over 10^100 digits. > For positional > superko (prohibition of recreation of the same