Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-11 Thread Kahn Jonas
There are many tests of normality that might be well suited. The Kolmogorov-Smirnov test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov%E2%80%93Smirnov_test) for instance should be easy to compute in terms of the function erf(). None of those are good tests for the specific requirement here. To

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-11 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Kahn Jonas jonas.k...@math.u-psud.fr ... and that's not interesting: We want to focus on the multimodularity. So just count the number and depths of peaks. Jonas is right. Identifying peaks and their volumes is indeed rather easy. For the long run I see a plan with two stages. Stage (ii)

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-10 Thread terry mcintyre
__ From: Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de David Fotland was so kind to point on an inaccuracy in my description on Crazy Shadows: http://www.althofer.de/crazy-shadows.html The x-axis gives the outcome of the random games played. Typically it ranges from about +150 to

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-10 Thread Darren Cook
How much [effort] to determine whether there are multiple peaks? The Shapiro-Wilk test can give you a probability of how non-normal the distribution is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro%E2%80%93Wilk_test As an R example, here is some test data: set.seed(7); data -

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-10 Thread Álvaro Begué
There are many tests of normality that might be well suited. The Kolmogorov-Smirnov test ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov%E2%80%93Smirnov_test) for instance should be easy to compute in terms of the function erf(). On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org wrote:

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-10 Thread terry mcintyre
  From: Darren Cook dar...@dcook.org How much [effort] to determine whether there are multiple peaks?  snippage Now the tough question: How can this information be used to improve move selection? One approach, not at all sophisticated, is better time management: spend less time

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-03 Thread 村松正和
Hi Aja, 2012/12/4 Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com: Thanks. But if W plays B9 instead of C9, seems there is no ko? You are right. (although B9 is a Kikasare...) I'm thinking that Zen might be confused with the ko if B plays at B2. In that case, B has too many ko threats at the top-left corner

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi Hiroshi, good point. I did not try all of the sic games, but only number 1. Both ManyFaces and CrazyStone evaluated the final position more or less positively for Zen's side. So, they also have problems to understand what is going on there. Ingo. Original-Nachricht

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread Aja Huang
In game 3 (Zen as W vs. So 8p), I don't understand why Zen didn't simply extend at G8 (move 24). That would be an easy win if Zen lived a group at that corner. Aja 2012/12/2 Hiroshi Yamashita y...@bd.mbn.or.jp Hi, Zen lost six games against pros in 9x9 on November 25. Each three pros played

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread Erik van der Werf
It doesn't look that easy to me. Have you tried playing it against Erica? Erik On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com wrote: In game 3 (Zen as W vs. So 8p), I don't understand why Zen didn't simply extend at G8 (move 24). That would be an easy win if Zen lived a group at

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread Aja Huang
2012/12/2 Erik van der Werf erikvanderw...@gmail.com It doesn't look that easy to me. Have you tried playing it against Erica? No, I haven't set up Erica in this laptop. Another question: how about W H4 instead of H2 for move 28? The corner looks completely alive to me. Even if B has a

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Datum: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:03:32 + Von: Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com ... These 9x9 games, Zen vs. pros, show that LD, like semeai, is still far from an unsolved problem in MCTS. Indeed. It want to use the opportunity to mention again my website on Crazy Shadows:

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread terry mcintyre
it right saves having to do it twice. From: Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de To: computer-go@dvandva.org Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions Datum: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:03:32 + Von: Aja Huang ajahu

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread 村松正和
Hi Aja, Of course, H4 is by far better than H2. But there's still Ko at the upper left corner from B, that is, C8, D8, A8, C9, A6, B5, B9. The Pro left this Ko intentionally, and Zen got mixed up. -- Masa 2012/12/3 Aja Huang ajahu...@gmail.com: 2012/12/2 Erik van der Werf

Re: [Computer-go] Zen resignation positions

2012-12-02 Thread Hideki Kato
Hi Aja, Of course, H4 is by far better than H2. But there's still Ko at the upper left corner from B, that is, C8, D8, A8, C9, A6, B5, B9. The Pro left this Ko intentionally, and Zen got mixed up. I believe Zen didn't mix-up. Increasing (potential) Ko positions increases branch factor a lot