Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

You are totally right it is not the same curves. according to the reddit post. So I was totally wrong > On 27-10-17 10:15, Xavier Combelle wrote: >> Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar >> except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6 > The blue curve in

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

OK I will reread it attentively Le 27/10/2017 à 19:19, Hideki Kato a écrit : > Please read _through_ the paper sequentially. > #I don't have enough skill to describe the reason because > it's not a technical but language issue. > > Hideki > >> I don't understand which element makes you say that

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Please read _through_ the paper sequentially. #I don't have enough skill to describe the reason because it's not a technical but language issue. Hideki >I don't understand which element makes you say that >section 2 and 3 are all for a 20 block instance > > >Le 27/10/2017 E01:49, Hideki Kato a

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

On 27-10-17 10:15, Xavier Combelle wrote: > Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar > except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6 The blue curve in figure 3 is flat at around 60 hours (2.5 days). In figure 6, at 2.5 days the line is near vertical. So it is

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6 Le 27 oct. 2017 04:31, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" a écrit : > Figure 6 has the same graph as Figure 3 but for 40 blocks. You can compare > the Elo. > > On Thu,

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

The 40 block version (2nd instance) first appeared in Section 4 in the paper. Section 2 and 3 are all for the 1st instance. Hideki Xavier Combelle: <39a79a0e-7c7d-2a01-a2ae-573cda8b1...@gmail.com>: >Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to >reinforcement learning,

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Figure 6 has the same graph as Figure 3 but for 40 blocks. You can compare the Elo. On Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 23:35 Xavier Combelle wrote: > Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to > reinforcement learning, not 20 bloc/40 block > > For searching

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

com>: >>>>>> How is it a fair comparison if there is only 3 days of training >>>>>> for >>> Zero ? >>>>>> Master had longer training no ? Moreover, Zero has bootstrap >>>>>> problem >>>>>> because at the op

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

Unless I mistake figure 3 shows the plot of supervised learning to reinforcement learning, not 20 bloc/40 block For searching mention of the 20 blocks I search for 20 in the whole paper and did not found any other mention than of the kifu thing. Le 26/10/2017 à 15:10, Gian-Carlo Pascutto a

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

t;> Zero ? >>>>>> Master had longer training no ? Moreover, Zero has bootstrap problem >>>>>> because at the opposite of Master it don't learn from expert games >>>>>> which means that it is likely to be we

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

On 26-10-17 10:55, Xavier Combelle wrote: > It is just wild guesses based on reasonable arguments but without > evidence. David Silver said they used 40 layers for AlphaGo Master. That's more evidence than there is for the opposite argument that you are trying to make. The paper certainly

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

ter it don't learn from expert games >>>>> which means that it is likely to be weaker with little training. >>>>> Le 24/10/2017 à 20:20, Hideki Kato a écrit : >>>>>> David Silver told Master used 40 layers network in May. >&g

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

> because at the opposite of Master it don't learn from expert games >>>> which means that it is likely to be weaker with little training. >>>> Le 24/10/2017 à 20:20, Hideki Kato a écrit : >>>>> David Silver told

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

er told Master used 40 layers network in May. >>>> According to new paper, Master used the same architecture >>>> as Zero. So, Master used 20 blocks ResNet. >>>> The first instance of Zero, 20 blocks ResNet version, is >>>> weaker than Master (aft

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

aper, Master used the same architecture >>> as Zero. So, Master used 20 blocks ResNet. >>> The first instance of Zero, 20 blocks ResNet version, is >>> weaker than Master (after 3 days training). So, with the >>> same layers (a fair comparison) Zero is weaker than &g

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

locks ResNet version, is >> weaker than Master (after 3 days training). So, with the >> same layers (a fair comparison) Zero is weaker than >> Master. >> >> Hideki > > >___ >Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

irst instance of Zero, 20 blocks ResNet version, is > > weaker than Master (after 3 days training). So, with the > > same layers (a fair comparison) Zero is weaker than > > Master. > > > > Hideki > > > ___

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er 3 days training). So, with the > same layers (a fair comparison) Zero is weaker than > Master. > > Hideki _______ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

David Silver told Master used 40 layers network in May. According to new paper, Master used the same architecture as Zero. So, Master used 20 blocks ResNet. The first instance of Zero, 20 blocks ResNet version, is weaker than Master (after 3 days training). So, with the same layers (a