Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-05 Thread Art Clemons
Draw a parallel to my DVR. I really love my DVR. I can't imagine watching TV any other way. My DVR works fine -- probably has years of life in it. I have a lifetime subscription to the programming service. Yet my DVR only knows the NTSC standard and NTSC is going away in 14 months. So I am

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-05 Thread b_s-wilk
I rarely use IE since the last one for Macs was v.5.5. I was at the public library today looking up some reference information--couldn't find it in Reference so I looked online. They have IE 6. I've requested that they get Firefox too, so we could have a choice [of something that

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
While it's possible to code a site with all the excessive bells and whistles, commercial and nonprofit sites ultimately need to develop their pages to attract customers/clients, not the script-kiddies putting the sites together. It's not necessary to have lots of scripts and Flash to create an

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
The only dodgey parts are whether the software will allow you to use the HD program guides and will they stop offering the guide since all this equipment is NTSC. My guess is that they will drop service at the earliest opportunity.

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
But I bet that no one deigns to think of you as brain-dead just because you are embracing this less than cutting edge technology. It is cutting edge for another 14 months. If I hold on to it any longer I will be rightly called brain dead.

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
You are out of your depth on this one. The problems with IE are fundamental errors with page geometry and how different page elements interact. It has nothing to do with scripts and Flash except that some developers use Flash as a way to avoid MS's bugs. Getting CSS to work properly would be a

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-04 Thread Jeff Wright
I rarely use IE since the last one for Macs was v.5.5. I was at the public library today looking up some reference information--couldn't find it in Reference so I looked online. They have IE 6. I've requested that they get Firefox too, so we could have a choice [of something that works]. It

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'm not familiar with IE causing so much trouble for people who don't use it, but now it makes sense, sort of. The solution is for web authors to put a note on the page, viewed best with [name a good browser], and a warning that it may not work with IE. If that were done enough would sites

[CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
Brain-dead users like me cling to Windows 2000 (because it works, and because it supports the applications I use), which doesn't support IE7. The Internet changed all that. If you are still operating as a computer in isolation then we don't care if you are still running DOS. But if you are

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Fred Holmes
At 01:05 PM 12/3/2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for you. It might come to that. Gee, I might get a life back. Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE -

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Constance Warner
But if you are part of the internetwork you are part of a community. If IE users won't upgrade it makes it impossible for the rest of us to advance. The alternative is to throw the brain dead overboard: no Internet for you. It might come to that. Far be it from me to disagree with our Fearless

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually works. I leave it you to explain to the young couple in rural Virginia who are just

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Matthew Taylor
Which to my eye is the strongest argument that fundamental components of the internet comply to standards so that everyone who complies with that standard can just get on with their business. On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Constance Warner wrote: ...the Internet doesn't just belong to us and

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Constance Warner
Quotes: Such people don't have huge amounts of time--and probably don't have the knowledge--to mess around with tekkie things like downloading a new browser and spending hours delicately adjusting it so that it actually works. I leave it you to explain to the young couple in rural Virginia who

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to connect to the internet. Many web sites will also become unreadable by the oldest browsers, too. Not

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread mike
Is your dvr the tuner also? Mike On Dec 3, 2007 4:17 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Tom's point was that technology leaves the old stuff behind, eventually. For example, not many computers from the 1980's would be of much use today, if one wanted to use that computer to

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Jeff Wright
That's one advantage of the DIY HTPC I'm building: you can always swap out the tuner card for another. I have an ATI 550 on the way from eBay, which will complete the parts I need. The rest are from my recent upgrade to my main PC (which now sports a dual-core Athlon 5200, 2 GB of RAM and a 36

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
Is your dvr the tuner also? Alas, yes. It is a Replay. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread b_s-wilk
While it's possible to code a site with all the excessive bells and whistles, commercial and nonprofit sites ultimately need to develop their pages to attract customers/clients, not the script-kiddies putting the sites together. It's not necessary to have lots of scripts and Flash to create an

Re: [CGUYS] No Internet for You [Was: MS IE 7]

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Wosnick
But I bet that no one deigns to think of you as brain-dead just because you are embracing this less than cutting edge technology. Too bad that your mother never taught you the value of taking the high road. You should try it sometime. Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Draw a parallel to