Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/15/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You misapply the eWeek story. EWeek is comparing different settings of the same insecure OS. No one here is proposing that some settings are less dangerous than others. You don't make a good case for your position by trying to change the

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Jeff Wright
1. That is so clearly untrue. And you can read any security reviews of any kind from any source, except Microsoft or those paid by Microsoft, to verify it. Every OS has weaknesses and exploits, even *nix. I read about them every day. At what point is something secure? Zero bugs? 10

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Chris Dunford
For years you've been saying how Mac is so much better than a PC because it's so much easier. Now it's better because it's harder? Color me surprised and please put some mustard on that pretzel logic for me. Jeff, I'm afraid you've missed earlier evidence of this. While he has now blasts

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Jeff, I'm afraid you've missed earlier evidence of this. While he has now blasts Vista for jumping through hoops to support old apps, not so long ago he blasted it for breaking old apps. It's difficult to take this very seriously. You have poor memory. My complaint was about device drivers, not

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread mike
Since when did apple know in os 8 that they were going to BSD? They didn't know this when putting out os 9 the first time. This alternate timeline of yours also completely ignores rhapsody. Apple didn't really lay out any plans for OS X till first quarter 98. So in 98 they laid plans out

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Snyder, Mark
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:09 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance Since when did apple know in os 8 that they were going to BSD? They didn't know this when putting out os 9 the first time. This alternate timeline of yours

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
1. Apple is very secretive about upcoming moves; where did you get this timeline? 2. Define small - Apple's market cap. is on track to over take IBM's. Oh my. I'm being attacked from both sides. I MUST BE RIGHT! * ==

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread mike
Make sure you don't offer any facts or anything whatsoever to back up what you say. You must be right cause you say so. Just keep whistling and skipping along. Mike On 10/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Apple is very secretive about upcoming moves; where did you get this

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Make sure you don't offer any facts or anything whatsoever to back up what you say. You must be right cause you say so. Just keep whistling and skipping along. Good advice. Thank you. Time and time again the Computer Guys List comes through.

Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-16 Thread mike
We always count on your input in this area. Mike On 10/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sure you don't offer any facts or anything whatsoever to back up what you say. You must be right cause you say so. Just keep whistling and skipping along. Good advice. Thank you. Time

Re: [CGUYS] [SPAM] Re: [CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
You sure about that John? eWeek seems to agree with me. Now, I won't argue that running as a least privilege user will absolutely eliminate security exploits... You misapply the eWeek story. EWeek is comparing different settings of the same insecure OS. No one here is proposing that some

[CGUYS] Security Ignorance

2007-10-14 Thread John DeCarlo
On 10/14/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which only proves the point that Windows security is poor and that you are so sold on the MS way of doing things that you can't get your brain around the concept of better security. Windows' biggest problem is installing the default user