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That's what I was thinking, limitations like these aren't around anymore.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Just a silly observation: future???
That's what I was thinking, limitations like these aren't around anymore.
Mike
On Jan 4, 2008 9
Steve Rigby
And the sales of rotators will soar. Many neighborhoods
have prohibitions on outside antennas used for terrestrial
broadcasting. Without outside antennas, lots of viewers
snip
Most of those restrictions are no longer enforceable for most
cases, see Telecommunications Act of
I think I heard a while back that eventually HDTV will be broadcast
over the current VHF channels when there is no longer a need to use
them for the analog programming.
on Fri, 4 Jan 2008, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
This is the FCC's take on the rules.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Jay Montero wrote:
Build your own TIVO; That's what I did using MythDora. It's a Linux
distro which runs MythTV. I get all my favorite OTA HDTV shows
recorded and it looks amazing! OTOH... maybe this is not the thing
for a Mac guy - the kind who likes to just fire
You mean there's a wired satellite provider? Wow!
Actually, I too wondered about this FCC reg when it came out. Now,
after a few years, I think we can clearly see the FCC has lost and the
HOA's have won. Remember, this isn't a law, it's just an FCC
directive.
As with you, I could be
On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Jay Montero wrote:
I think I heard a while back that eventually HDTV will be broadcast
over the current VHF channels when there is no longer a need to use
them for the analog programming.
These VHF frequencies of OURS are going to be sold to corporate
entities.
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:30 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
This is the FCC's take on the rules.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They have to allow you some
antenna unless they don't. There are small stealthy antennas that
work in the UHF range where the HD/Digital signals are.
Good and
I am curios to.
I have a couple old Dell Inspiron Laptops with the large 15.4 screens I
would love to turn into tivo boxes.
Mike
Vicky Staubly wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Jay Montero wrote:
Build your own TIVO; That's what I did using MythDora. It's a Linux
distro which runs MythTV. I get
Does anyone know if manufacturers are doing anything to solve the synch
problem in the next generations of TV's? Or is this a bug that's
inherent in the system, and for which there is no practical bugfix?
We have an analog TV that's on its last legs, and we're planning to
replace it with
Steve Rigby
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:30 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
This is the FCC's take on the rules.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html They have to allow
you some antenna unless they don't. There are small stealthy
antennas that work in the UHF range where the HD/Digital
signals
Steve Rigby
On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Jay Montero wrote:
I think I heard a while back that eventually HDTV will be
broadcast over the current VHF channels when there is no
longer a need to use them for the analog programming.
These VHF frequencies of OURS are going to be sold to
Eric -
Want an antenna on the roof? Move to Tehran,
http://www.iranian.com/Arts/2003/September/People/index.html, or tell
the Super that he/she has to allow you to put one up.
Better yet, find a friendly neighbor with a window that faces toward
Houston and buy a dish with dual LNBs,
For that matter, digital signals in general are problematic if you're
getting your TV over the air, without a cable or satellite hookup. The
signals are more directional, so you have to have the antenna pointed
EXACTLY the right way for each channel, or you're out of luck. The
signals are also
It gets worse than that. I live only 12-15 miles from the transmitters
and get a great signal (95% +), ... until the occasional reflection
wipes out the signal temporarily. Out of the 20 DTV channels available,
I can only get 4 on a dependable basis. In order to get the others, I
will need to
On Jan 3, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Richard P. wrote:
It gets worse than that. I live only 12-15 miles from the transmitters
and get a great signal (95% +), ... until the occasional reflection
wipes out the signal temporarily. Out of the 20 DTV channels
available, I can only get 4 on a dependable
And the sales of rotators will soar.
Don't know about that one. Would I actually invest in a
steerable antenna array when I all ready have cable?
Probably not, but if I were far from an ATSC signal I
might. If I had to.
As it is I can't get ANY over the air transmissions with any
And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is if I was
to go out and buy a new one at K-Mart or where ever? To buy an analog
TV wouldn't you have to buy an old used one?
Jeff M
On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Constance Warner wrote:
Does anyone know if manufacturers are doing
No many of them are digital ready but may not include a digital tuner.
I can't remember the date that Manufacturers have to convert to all digital.
Stewart
At 04:38 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote:
And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is
if I was
to go out and buy a new
We have an analog TV that's on its last legs, and we're planning to
replace it with digital. Is there any point in waiting until the
technology gets better?
The problem is more in the data path than in the receiver. Go ahead and
shop!
And another question, aren't all TVs today digital, that is if I was
to go out and buy a new one at K-Mart or where ever? To buy an analog
TV wouldn't you have to buy an old used one?
I bet they are still selling analog units and will continue to do so as
long as there are stupid customers.
You might be right, that manufacturers have a date to stop manufacturing
analog TVs, but I thought that the end date referred to the broadcasting
of commercial analog TV. That date is on February 17, 2009.
The manufacturers would not make many analog TVs after that date even if
there is no
So how do you tell if you have a digital ready TV? I have quite a few
TVs (7) one of which is also on it's last legs. It is 15-20 years old
and assume it's not digital. My newest is a Sylvania 27 stereo with
VCR and DVD recorder. I assume it is digital, but nothing in the paper
work told
This question is answered at
http://www.dtv.gov/consumercorner.html#faq8
It says therein:
*How do I know if I already have a digital TV (DTV)?*
Many DTVs and digital television equipment will have labels or
markings on them, or statements in the informational materials that
came with them,
Dates for analog phones, onstar and the like (even some automatic
garaqe doors) is February 18/19, 2008 and for broadcasting is
February 19, 2009. After 2/2009, one will need a box to run an
analog TV.
This was part of the coupon discussion earlier. Fox5 (DC) now has a
link on their site to
Thanks, now I have another question. With my 7 TVs they are all
hooked up to DirectTV, all with the DirectTV box. Do these boxes
convert or use the digital signal, thus I wouldn't need the digital
converter box needed for analog TVs?
Jeff M
On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Robert wrote:
Correct all system boxes cable and Direct/dish convert the signal so
it works with any TV.
Stewart
At 07:10 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote:
Thanks, now I have another question. With my 7 TVs they are all
hooked up to DirectTV, all with the DirectTV box. Do these boxes
convert or use the
On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
There are still (Or should I say there were still) a number of folks
out there that had old analog cell phones that every Cell carrier has
been trying to get to upgrade their phone.
It is my understanding that in some parts of the
There's nothing silly about this point. I think we should make it
illegal for anyone to devise a new video format that doesn't lock
audio to video. Instead, what we have for the last several years is a
plethora of new codecs, not one of which makes any attempt at all to
do this.
Perhaps this is a
On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Steve Rigby wrote:
but with all the technology available and with all the technicians
and equipment on hand, why can't they get it right? At a minimum,
they should be able to get the sound and the picture in sync,
wouldn't ya think? Why do consumers want to
I pretty much assumed that it was a function of my being on satellite
and assumed that folks using cable or off the air didn't have that
problem. Does anyone know why something like that should be happening?
TV never used to be that way in the old days.
Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan
I had this happening to me when I edited my videos with Pinnacle 10
Plus. The sound was out of sync. What
annoyance...
Marcio
At 13:12 1/1/2008, you wrote:
On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Steve Rigby wrote:
but with all the technology available and with all the technicians
and equipment on
On Jan 1, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Tony B wrote:
There's nothing silly about this point.
Well, I meant it was silly in comparison to REAL problems such as
warfare. But, I understand your point. From the perspective of those
who will spend a lot of time and money to receive and hopefully enjoy
I thought it was just me! I'll sometimes be sitting with a room full
of people gazing at a big sreen and I'll be the only one squirming,
covering my eyes and wondering how this can be happening. Frequently
certain feeds are no better synched than youtube.
1) Analog TV sends audio and video
On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought it was just me! I'll sometimes be sitting with a room full
of people gazing at a big sreen and I'll be the only one squirming,
covering my eyes and wondering how this can be happening. Frequently
certain feeds are no better
Last night, in observing the various New Year's Eve broadcasts, this
problem was in stark evidence. In fact, last night it was not just
the sound that was not in sync, it was the time as well. Some TV
broadcasts were as much as four or five seconds behind or ahead of
others as indicated by
I have noticed the same thing watching the Webb Alert podcast. She
really gets out of sync and the way they shoot her as a talking head
it is extra annoying.
On Jan 1, 2008 12:22 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought it was just me! I'll sometimes be sitting with a room full
of
At 10:05 AM -0500 1/1/08, Steve Rigby wrote:
As television broadcasting has moved ever more into the digital
realm, I have been increasingly aware of the lip-sync problem.
This is where the words coming from the TV speakers are not in sync
with the movement of the lips on screen. This
Unfortunately, the digital lip sync issue is more complicated than it
would appear. In analog transmissions, the video and audio get processed
and transmitted at the same rates. With digital, video takes longer to
process than audio, and the delay is compensated for by most responsible
On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote:
About the lip-sync problem, our daughter's DirecTV High-Def receiver
recognizes it as a potential problem in the trouble-shooting section
of the owner's manual, and lists several different things to do to
correct it. Apparently a well-known
As far as the delay goes, one must consider the number of devices that
that original signal goes through before it reaches your TV screen, all
which add delay to the signal. Digital cameras, microwave and satellite
trucks, fiber and satellite transmissions, encoders and decoders at each
level
One thing to keep in mind is the fact they these were all live
broadcasts last night and were probably all on some sort of intentional
delay device to keep a Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction from going
out over the air and risking a huge FCC fine. I don't think anything
outside of news is
My guess is the problem is not at the source, but in the buffering on the
playback (of streaming video and audio) at the playback computer. The video
and audio are buffered separately, and the number of seconds of storage
required to be in the buffer before playback resumes is not the same for
Most do, but that's my point. Why can't the formats be like the
internet and each frame of both audio and video be numbered? Why is
the audio only synced to the video by visual cues? And if that's set
in stone, when can we expect to see delay compensators on our remote
controls?
We've pretty much
There are some devices out there which claim to lock the audio/video
sync from beginning to end but they require a totally digital plant and
path in between. Any analog device in the chain breaks the lock. It will
be years before all analog equipment is removed from the chain/path.
Richard P.
I agree that it is absurd that the consumer is being made responsible
for quality control of a professionally produced source. But I think it
goes back to the myriad of input devices that have to be compensated
for. The sync timing of an analog VCR will be drastically different than
a
At 1:22 PM -0500 1/1/08, Tom Piwowar wrote:
About the lip-sync problem, our daughter's DirecTV High-Def receiver
recognizes it as a potential problem in the trouble-shooting section
of the owner's manual, and lists several different things to do to
correct it. Apparently a well-known problem.
I think the changing channels trick to resync the audio just restarts
both at the same point. It suggests that one of the signals if
processed faster than the other one. Over time they separate and
become stranger looking.
I notice that separation on my SD DTV signal as well. Some channels
are
On Jan 1, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Richard P. wrote:
The other thing to keep in mind is the fact they these were all live
broadcasts last night and were probably all on some sort of
intentional delay device to keep a Janet Jackson wardrobe
malfunction from going out over the air and risking a huge
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