Re: signing all outbound email

2006-10-03 Thread James A. Donald
James A. Donald wrote: In order for [DKIM] to actually be any use, the recipient needs to verify the signature and do something on the basis of that signature - presumably whitelist email that genuinely comes from well known domains. Unfortunately, the MTA cannot reliably do

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-10-03 Thread John Levine
James A. Donald wrote: In order for [DKIM] to actually be any use, ... Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: so what if an isp only signs email where ... etc, etc. You know, we've already had all these arguments on the DKIM mailing list about a hundred times. It's true, just about everything that

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-10-02 Thread James A. Donald
Lynn Wheeler wrote: recently published IETF RFC ... from my IETF RFC index http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm 4686 I Analysis of Threats Motivating DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM), Fenton J., 2006/09/26 (29pp) (.txt=70382) (Refs 1939, 2821, 2822, 3501, 4033) (was

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-10-02 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
James A. Donald wrote: In order for this to actually be any use, the recipient needs to verify the signature and do something on the basis of that signature - presumably whitelist email that genuinely comes from well known domains. Unfortunately, the MTA cannot reliably do something - if

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-10-01 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Jon Callas wrote: Take a look at DKIM (Domain Keys Identified Mail) which does precisely that. There is an IETF working group for it, and it is presently being deployed by people like Yahoo, Google, and others. There's support for it in SpamAssassin as well as a Sendmail milter. recently

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-10 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: One way of doing this would be for the MTA to insist on a valid signature when talking to certain well known MTAs, and then my MUA could whitelist mail sent from those well known MTAs Paul Hoffman wrote: Yes, if you are willing to throw out messages whose

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-09 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 7:02 AM +1000 9/8/06, James A. Donald wrote: I do not seem to be able to use DKIM to for spam filtering. Correct. It is for white-listing. It tells the recipient (MTA or MUA) that the message received was sent from the domain name it says it was, and that parts of the message were not

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- Paul Hoffman wrote: At 11:40 AM +0200 9/5/06, Massimiliano Pala wrote: Jon Callas wrote: On 4 Sep 2006, at 4:13 AM, Travis H. wrote: Has anyone created hooks in MTAs so that they automagically [sign email] [...] Go look at http://www.dkim.org/ for many more details. This

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-07 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 11:40 AM +0200 9/5/06, Massimiliano Pala wrote: Jon Callas wrote: On 4 Sep 2006, at 4:13 AM, Travis H. wrote: Has anyone created hooks in MTAs so that they automagically [...] Go look at http://www.dkim.org/ for many more details. This approach is MTA-to-MTA... No, it's not. The

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-07 Thread Jon Callas
On 5 Sep 2006, at 2:40 AM, Massimiliano Pala wrote: This approach is MTA-to-MTA... if you want something more MTA-to- MUA Not precisely. It is *primarily* MTA-to-MTA, for a number of very good reasons, like privacy. However, a number of people will be implementing DKIM verification in

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-05 Thread Massimiliano Pala
Jon Callas wrote: On 4 Sep 2006, at 4:13 AM, Travis H. wrote: Has anyone created hooks in MTAs so that they automagically [...] Go look at http://www.dkim.org/ for many more details. This approach is MTA-to-MTA... if you want something more MTA-to-MUA, then you can take a look at this:

Re: signing all outbound email

2006-09-04 Thread Jon Callas
On 4 Sep 2006, at 4:13 AM, Travis H. wrote: Has anyone created hooks in MTAs so that they automagically sign outbound email, so that you can stop forgery spam via a SRV DNS record? Take a look at DKIM (Domain Keys Identified Mail) which does precisely that. There is an IETF working group