[Cryptography] NIST about to weaken SHA3?

2013-09-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey. Not sure whether this has been pointed out / discussed here already (but I guess Perry will reject my mail in case it has): https://www.cdt.org/blogs/joseph-lorenzo-hall/2409-nist-sha-3 This makes NIST seem somehow like liars,... on the one hand they claim to surprised by the alleged

Re: [Cryptography] NIST about to weaken SHA3?

2013-09-30 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 14:44 +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: If SHA-3 is going to be used, it needs to offer some advantages over SHA-2. Good performance and built-in support for tree hashing (ZFS, ...) are acceptable reasons to make the trade-off explained on slides 34, 35 and 36 of: Well I

Re: [Cryptography] Sha3

2013-10-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 02:34 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: What I don't understand here is why the process of selecting a standard algorithm for cryptographic primitives is so highly focused on speed. We have machines that are fast enough now that while speed isn't a non issue, it is no

Re: [Cryptography] NIST about to weaken SHA3?

2013-10-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 12:47 -0400, John Kelsey wrote: The actual technical question is whether an across the board 128 bit security level is sufficient for a hash function with a 256 bit output. This weakens the proposed SHA3-256 relative to SHA256 in preimage resistance, where SHA256 is

Re: [Cryptography] Sha3

2013-10-06 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 12:18 -0700, james hughes wrote: and the authors state that You know why other people than the authors are doing cryptoanalysis on algorithms? Simply because the authors may also oversee something in the analysis of their own algorithm. So while the argument the original