Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-17 Thread James A. Donald
On 2014-01-17 01:28, John Young wrote: Civil engineers never say a dam is infallible, they say it will fail, watch for well-known weak spots, prepare to patch and maintain continuously, and never forget the disasters of over-confidence, limited construction budgets, cut backs in maintenance, and

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-17 Thread John Young
James, you protest too much, not that there's anything wrong with it. There is much to be revealed about the indigination and outrage racket driving security marketing flim-flam from natsec to comsec. Tip: Dig deeper into the origins of RSA, as in Addison Fischer (and business partners), and

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-16 Thread coderman
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM, arne renkema-padmos arne.renkema-pad...@cased.de wrote: ... Also, I would like to have doctors fixing things like intestinal ruptures, not some kid with their parent's sewing kit :P i think you misunderstand some of my intent: to be a competent developer, you

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-16 Thread arne renkema-padmos
On 16/01/14 11:34, coderman wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM, arne renkema-padmos arne.renkema-pad...@cased.de wrote: ... Also, I would like to have doctors fixing things like intestinal ruptures, not some kid with their parent's sewing kit :P i think you misunderstand some of my

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-15 Thread John Young
With a $67B security market heading to $87B by 2016 why would any security firm settle for RSA piddling racketerring? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/technology/upstarts-challenge-old-timers-in-lucrative-computer-security-field.html Not saying the RSA bashers are diverting attention from

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-15 Thread coderman
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM, John Young j...@pipeline.com wrote: With a $67B security market heading to $87B by 2016 why would any security firm settle for RSA piddling racketerring? ... Not saying the RSA bashers are diverting attention from their venality, that would be contrary to

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-15 Thread arne renkema-padmos
On 16/01/14 01:08, coderman wrote: information security as a discipline or specialization should not exist. that systems, code, protocols, *, are built without security priorities, and without end-user privacy and availability paramount, is the dereliction of basic duty. Not if the idea of

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread John Young
Shirley Jackson, The Lottery, sacrificing a victim purges guilt of the guilty. Does anyone really believe RSA is alone in this betrayal? And that making an example of RSA will stop the industry practice of forked-tonguedness about working both sides of the imaginary fence of dual-use,

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread Jared Hunter
Well said. In perhaps-related ethics news: RSA Conference is a separate entity from RSA, and (I believe) not a subsidiary or profit center for either RSA or EMC. At this point, they're just unlucky enough to have hitched their branding to the most recognized name in the industry. If it's

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread coderman
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Jared Hunter feralch...@gmail.com wrote: ... If it's wrong for RSA to take $10M to set a bad default in BSAFE, is it not MORE wrong to sell the federal government a 0day for a fraction of that price? collusion to weaken RNGs enables pervasive insecurity and

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread Ed Stone
On Jan 14, 2014, at 1:53 PM, cryptography-requ...@randombit.net wrote: Does anyone really believe RSA is alone in this betrayal? And that making an example of RSA will stop the industry practice of forked-tonguedness about working both sides of the imaginary fence of dual-use, dual-hat,

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread John Young
If courageous, Rivest, Shamir and Adelson can be burnt in effigy. Their initials once were rightly world famous, and to smear these distinguished gentlemen by vulgar opportunistic protest instigated by noobs with less than zero comprehension of cryptography should be condemned not debated.

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread James A. Donald
On 2014-01-15 02:12, John Young wrote: Shirley Jackson, The Lottery, sacrificing a victim purges guilt of the guilty. Does anyone really believe RSA is alone in this betrayal? And that making an example of RSA will stop the industry practice of forked-tonguedness about working both sides of

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread Kyle Maxwell
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Jared Hunter feralch...@gmail.com wrote: RSA Conference is a separate entity from RSA, and (I believe) not a subsidiary or profit center for either RSA or EMC. At this point, they're just unlucky enough to have hitched their branding to the most recognized

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread John Young
But open source is compromised as well, for the same reasons and by the same parties. Some claim open source was born of and is powned by the spies. No problema, overcoming compromises of parentage has forever been the fundamental, albeit futile, crypto challenge. Even precious OTP is

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Boing Boing pushing an RSA Conference boycott

2014-01-14 Thread James A. Donald
On 2014-01-15 10:48, John Young wrote: But open source is compromised as well, for the same reasons and by the same parties. Some claim open source was born of and is powned by the spies. We can audit open source. Of course that costs serious money, but some people have adequate incentive to