Pretty Good Update for E-Mail Privacy

2003-01-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8488-2003Jan3?language=printer washingtonpost.com Pretty Good Update for E-Mail Privacy By Kevin Savetz Special to The Washington Post Sunday, January 5, 2003; Page H06 Internet users send millions of e-mail messages every day, oblivious to their lack

DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread John S. Denker
Regarding the acquittal of Jon Johansen, I quoted CNN as saying: The studios argued unauthorised copying was copyright theft and undermined a market for DVDs and videos worth $20 billion a year in North America alone. Some elements of the industry did indeed claim that, but such claims are

Cryptome Log Subpoenaed

2003-01-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread Pete Chown
John S. Denker wrote: Note that in the absence of market segmentation, the society as a whole is worse off. I see what you mean, but do you think it applies to DVDs? The segmentation needs to be in each market, between rich and poor consumers. What we actually have is segmentation between

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread Nomen Nescio
John S. Denker writes: The main thing the industry really had at stake in this case is the zone locking aka region code system. I don't see much evidence for this. As you go on to admit, multi-region players are easily available overseas. You seem to be claiming that the industry's main goal

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread Eric Rescorla
Pete Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John S. Denker wrote: Note that in the absence of market segmentation, the society as a whole is worse off. I see what you mean, but do you think it applies to DVDs? The segmentation needs to be in each market, between rich and poor consumers.

RE: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread Ian Brown
It would be nice to have an enlightened discussion of such topics. Lay people often react to differential pricing for the same good with a sense of unfairness. No matter how many times they are lectured by the economists that it is actually to the benefit of all that producers be able to charge

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread alan
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Nomen Nescio wrote: John S. Denker writes: The main thing the industry really had at stake in this case is the zone locking aka region code system. I don't see much evidence for this. As you go on to admit, multi-region players are easily available overseas. You

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Nomen Nescio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't see much evidence for this. As you go on to admit, multi-region players are easily available overseas. Sure, but they're generally illegal. I can buy grey market non-regioned players in the U.S. but the manufacturers are violating within the

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread alan
On 7 Jan 2003, Perry E. Metzger wrote: I don't know anyone who trades video files -- they're pretty big and bulky. A song takes moments to download, but a movie takes many many hours even on a high speed link. I have yet to meet someone who pirates films -- but I know lots of hardened

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 7 Jan 2003 at 20:25, Perry E. Metzger wrote: I don't know anyone who trades video files -- they're pretty big and bulky. A song takes moments to download, but a movie takes many many hours even on a high speed link. I have yet to meet someone who pirates films -- but I know lots

RE: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 8 Jan 2003 at 0:30, Ian Brown wrote: the public tends to be skeptical when an industry claims that expert opinion shows that what is good for the company will also be good for the nation, and that state aid in enforcing its desires will produce an economically efficient result