Re: [css-d] Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-07 Thread david
Jason Das wrote: After years of css+standards+tables must diepurity I started using tables again for certain specific layout issues. I tend to favor less code. So if I can do something instantly with a table that would take many extra lines of containing blocks and css, (not to

Re: [css-d] CSS :hover effect causing the container element to disappear?

2007-09-07 Thread Rowan Rodrik van der Molen
On 4/18/07, Big John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rowan wrote: A visitor of www.stichting-ecosafe.org told me that when he hovers over the menu of that website, the whole menu disappears. I'm assuming he's using some version of Internet Explorer to which I don't have access, because in

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Rey Mendoza,Jr
Thanks guys, somehow I am inclined to solve it that way, but hearing it from other developers is just refreshing and adds confidence that I'll solve this the right way and less time. Thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience Rey On 9/7/07, Ross Hulford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take Nicks'

Re: [css-d] floats and div widths

2007-09-07 Thread Jason Crosse
On 07/09/2007 15:06, Cynthia Page wrote: Also is it appropriate to ask such a basic question on this list? Absolutely. We have all levels of experience on the list. -- http://antanova.blogspot.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL

[css-d] floats and div widths

2007-09-07 Thread Cynthia Page
I am experimenting with layout for divs containing images and text. The outer div will go inside a three column layout. My question concerns floating and clearing images in divs, nested within a floating div. Should I float an image left and clear right to make the text stay to the right of

Re: [css-d] One Bullet Missing in IE

2007-09-07 Thread Beth Lee
On 9/6/07, patrick mattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having a bit of a problem here. For some reason the red square bullet before About won't show up in IE, however the bullet for Career and Education shows up fine. Any suggestions? Below is the markup and the css:

[css-d] Can't beat a table for this navbar?

2007-09-07 Thread Francois Jordaan
Here's the test page: http://www.fjordaan.net/tests/nav-test.html (Table-based top, list-based bottom) I've been doing CSS-based layouts for 5 years, but I just can't get a standards-based approach to work as well as a table for this horizontal navbar. This is the best I can get it. This is a

Re: [css-d] One Bullet Missing in IE

2007-09-07 Thread James Leslie
I'm having a bit of a problem here. For some reason the red square bullet before About won't show up in IE, however the bullet for Career and Education shows up fine. Any suggestions? Below is the markup and the css: http://www.liquidscience.net/andrew/testercopy.html

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 12:01 PM +0100 9/7/07, Rick Lecoat wrote: Can anyone tell me what the *most* standards-compliant browser is (I would assume that it would be one of either FF, Opera or Safari)? No, not any more. Once upon a time that kind of thing was pretty easy to figure out, but it's much too

Re: [css-d] Can't beat a table for this navbar?

2007-09-07 Thread E Michael Brandt
Thought you might find this of interest. http://tjkdesign.com/articles/make_an_html_list_look_like_a_table.asp -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com

[css-d] print label from web browser

2007-09-07 Thread Hiep Nguyen
hi there, i hope this is the right list to ask this question. i'm writing a simple web application using mysql php. what i want is to do allow users to print continuous label (7.5x3.5 in) on dot matrix printer. my question is can css do this? If so, can some one gives some advises or

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on?

2007-09-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tigdh Glesain wrote: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml#what_is_xhtml Since the quality of the mark-up is crucial for CSS to work, I have no problems discussing the issue here on css-d. However: the issue is about technical conformance and practical use (serving) of XHTML, so

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on? [medium]

2007-09-07 Thread Geoffrey Sneddon
On 7 Sep 2007, at 16:44, Rafael wrote: Hi, Ta! I'm not sure what you're talking about when you mention the forked-code wars, but chances are you're worrying unnecessarily. As far as I see, he's only trying to get people actually understand what XHTML is, and the differences

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on? [medium]

2007-09-07 Thread Rafael
Hi, Ta! I'm not sure what you're talking about when you mention the forked-code wars, but chances are you're worrying unnecessarily. As far as I see, he's only trying to get people actually understand what XHTML is, and the differences it has against HTML, though I have a somewhat

Re: [css-d] ADMIN: What the X is going on?

2007-09-07 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 8:35 AM -0700 9/7/07, Alan Gresley wrote: Indeed off topic and drifting into holy war territory in ways of markup. Quite so. Now is the time to end the thread. We're here to discuss ways of using CSS, not which markup flavor is better or worse than another. Yes, the use of markup

[css-d] layout column height adjustment...

2007-09-07 Thread Michael Forker
Hi havn't been on here in a whilehelloI am an Interactive Multimedia design student...havn't that much experience with CSS and I am having a go at doing my first site for a clientthe problem is that with the layout in the pages when I put content into the various pages differing

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 7/9/07 (11:10) Ross said: ALWAYS start with Firefox as your testing browser! I'm straying dangerously close to the forbidden world of 'browser wars' here, I know, but in the context of the previous advice, I have a genuine, non-opinionated question. I also follow the practice of using a

Re: [css-d] print label from web browser

2007-09-07 Thread Dinh
This page ( http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/advanced/printing.html) has almost everything about printing control in CSS. Hope this helps On 9/7/07, Hiep Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there, i hope this is the right list to ask this question. i'm writing a

Re: [css-d] 3px IE6 gap

2007-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Rafael wrote: Hi, I have a limited knowledge on the different bugs out there, so I would like to know what problems would cause a more conservative structure for this problem, such as http://dev.rsalazar.name/css.d/report.html I just did it as an exercise (so I started from

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Ross Hulford
Take Nicks' advice: - ALWAYS start with Firefox as your testing browser! - if you have alignment probmlems (probably a few double float and width bugs) make a css file for ie6 and use the conditionals (put this below all your other css links) !--[if IE 6] link href=css/ie6.css rel=stylesheet

Re: [css-d] 3px IE6 gap

2007-09-07 Thread Rafael
Hi, I have a limited knowledge on the different bugs out there, so I would like to know what problems would cause a more conservative structure for this problem, such as http://dev.rsalazar.name/css.d/report.html I just did it as an exercise (so I started from scratch), but it

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on?

2007-09-07 Thread Alan Gresley
Tigdh Glesain wrote: Hallo Folks, I am just a little foncused. This may seem like an 'off-topic' subject, but I think I'm correct in saying it effects the way in which we code our CSS to a degree. If this topic has been covered before, then I apologise and would ask for a pointer towards

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
I have a project which we started designing for IE6, then proceeded to demo on IE7 compatability, which broke most of the IE6 compatabilities. Now, I have to make the design cross browser (IE6, IE7 and Firefox). I'm sure I can do these with a lot of time (and right frame of mind) but is

[css-d] Sub heading position

2007-09-07 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
Can someone see why Firefox 2 displays what I would like and IE 6 pushes Knowledge is power and everything else under my tree logo? HTML: http://www.infoforce-services.com CSS: http://www.infoforce-services.com/css/layout.css -- Love Hayden (Super Duper Guide Dog)and The harness attachment

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on?

2007-09-07 Thread Rafael
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Tigdh Glesain wrote Am I worrying unnecessarily? Do any of have any 'jeez' to go with my 'whine'? (O: You have good reasons to worry if your work either isn't up to _perfect_ XHTML standard from the very start, or someone else may lower its quality in the

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 6/9/07 (22:02) Nancy said: I recently went through this. What helped me was realizing that if color:#00 !important; color:#ff !ie; color:#cc; then Firefox is black, IE7 is white, IE6 is gray Nancy: Very interesting. Is that !ie something official introduced by IE7, or was it

Re: [css-d] floats and div widths

2007-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Cynthia Page wrote: I am experimenting with layout for divs containing images and text. The outer div will go inside a three column layout. My question concerns floating and clearing images in divs, nested within a floating div. Should I float an image left and clear right to make the

Re: [css-d] Can't beat a table for this navbar?

2007-09-07 Thread christianz
One could argue that a bunch of links (as in your example) could properly be considered tabular data (so what if they also work as links - each one is a chunk of information, data, and they need to be grouped together in a logical way, even if only on one row) and therefore be presented in an

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on? [medium]

2007-09-07 Thread Rafael
Geoffrey Sneddon wrote: On 7 Sep 2007, at 16:44, Rafael wrote: # XHTML *does* promote more separation of content and presentation that HTML does, since it doesn't allow most of the presentational attributes anymore (e.g align) and some of the presentation tags (e.g. font). HTML 4.01 Strict

Re: [css-d] What the X is going on?

2007-09-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rafael wrote: I wonder, do you have an example of validated XHTML markup that's not perfect? I.e. markup that, although validated, it's broken XHTML? Personally, it's all I do, validated as XHTML Strict (after all, that's why I'm writing). I don't have a list of valid but not working XHTML

Re: [css-d] This Thing On? IE6 Positioning Issues

2007-09-07 Thread Richard Grevers
On 9/6/07, Daniel Talsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's hard for me to know if my note is posting to the list or not, since it's not getting mailed to me. If it is getting posted, but it's just not attractive for people to answer, could someone do me the favor of responding and just letting me

Re: [css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-07 Thread Richard Grevers
On 9/7/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, do any of the others have anything that compares to FF's web developer toolbar? Opera (9+) has the developer console which you will find under tools/advanced/developer tools (but I put a button on a toolbar to launch it). It is still in

Re: [css-d] print label from web browser

2007-09-07 Thread Scott Povlot
Hiep, You may be able do to this in CSS if you restrict the format to fixed width fonts with text only. This may work for a dot matrix printer. But for anything that requires specific layout such as laser print multi-column labels, I would suggest looking into a server-side solution that

Re: [css-d] layout column height adjustment...

2007-09-07 Thread Scott Povlot
Mike, I suggest you look on the CSS-Discuss wiki at http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=AnyColumnLongest Also, when you post, I suggest that you limit the use of The URL to your website was broken because of them. Regards, Scott Povlot --- Michael Forker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [css-d] layout column height adjustment...

2007-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Michael Forker wrote: Hi havn't been on here in a whilehelloI am an Interactive Multimedia design student...havn't that much experience with CSS and I am having a go at doing my first site for a clientthe problem is that with the layout in the pages when I put content into

[css-d] Floating problem?

2007-09-07 Thread trevor bayliss
Hi all, I want to put two columns inside the divs: div id=wrapperdiv id=content/div/div #wrapper { float : left; width : 100%; margin-left : -180px; padding-top : 15px; } #content { margin-left : 180px; width : 743px; } which I have done with div id=contentinleft and div

Re: [css-d] This Thing On? IE6 Positioning Issues

2007-09-07 Thread Daniel Talsky
Yeah, I fixed it. I changed the width to 100% and used overflow on the containing element. Worked like a charm. On 9/7/07, Richard Grevers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/07, Daniel Talsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's hard for me to know if my note is posting to the list or not, since

Re: [css-d] Floating problem?

2007-09-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
trevor bayliss wrote: All the columns seem to have moved right for some reason. Why is this happening? How can I correct it? I am learning css so I would be interested to hear if I am approaching this from the right angle- two divs for example would it have been better as divs? TIA