[CTRL] Justice For All Or Justice For None
-Caveat Lector- Justice For All Or Justice For None By Lynn Stuter August 24, 2003 NewsWithViews.com In establishing the Constitution of the United States of America, our Founding Fathers set out to do what no nation had ever done before, or ever has done since: establish liberty, justice, and order for all. It became readily apparent to these men that to do this, rule must be by law a constitutional republic, rather than rule by man according to his own passions and opinions democracy; that the rights of the minority must not be at the whim of the majority but the rights of each and all, whether part of the majority or the minority, must be equal under the law. These men also knew that in order for rule by law to continue to exist as a governance structure, man must choose to govern self, as an individual, according to a morally acceptable and socially responsible creed finding basis in and acceptance in not only the immediate community of which the individual is a part, but the larger community as well. With all due consideration of the aforesaid, John Adams wrote: Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people; it is wholly inadequate for any other. James Madison expanded on the words of John Adams when he wrote: We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. James Madison made apparent the morally acceptable and socially responsible creed upon which man must base self-governance if the constitution was to be maintained as the supreme law of the land. At the state level, every individual, elected by secret ballot to represent the people, before taking office, takes an oath to uphold the state constitution, U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. As such, every elected representative of the people has taken an oath to uphold the law, to provide equal access under the law, and to provide equal protection under the law. Thus it is that every individual is guaranteed equal rights and equal protection under the law. Today, we are bombarded daily with the notion that our nation is a democracy. Speaking of democracy, James Madison had this to say in Federalist No. 10: ... Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives, as they have been violent in their deaths. Why is this? Because, in a democracy, rule is by the majority with the rights of the minority at the whim of the passions and opinions of the majority. Under such a governance structure, rights become arbitrary and capricious, civil unrest ensues, leading to revolution and civil war between those of the majority and those subject to the passions and opinions of the majority: the minority. No where in the transformation of America from a constitutional republic to a democracy is this more apparent than in the justice system. Very few people have any conception or understanding of how corrupt the American justice system has become. Rule by law and equal protection under the law no longer exist. Whether the law is enforced has become arbitrary and capricious, at the whim of the passions and opinions of those wielding power. In this same vein, it is doubtful that our Founding Fathers intended justice to be at the mercy of the almighty $$$. Justice in America today is not dependent on facts, justice in America today is dependent on whether people have the money to pay an attorney. At the same time, the people can only pray that the attorney they hire will represent them and not the state bar association of which they must be a member, and the court of which they are an officer. Too many people have learned the hard way that too many attorneys are beholden to the state bar association and the court, a stacked deck making justice impossible to attain under any circumstance. Not only this, but the court system has become so convoluted that no man can adequately represent himself as facts, the law and the constitution are not the basis of proceedings and justice is not the goal. The system is there to make money for attorneys and increase the power and position of the courts. Unfortunately, when justice is not the goal and facts, the law, and the constitution are not the basis, the result is the loss of rights which, over time, undermines the rights of the people. Justice for some results in justice for none and tyranny prevails just as it did in the time of the Declaration of Independence. James Madison spoke of the necessity of the Declaration of Independence as follows: The freemen of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise,
[CTRL] Jews sued for 'stealing' gold in Exodus
-Caveat Lector- This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows. To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34227 Friday, August 22, 2003 LAW OF THE LANDJews sued for 'stealing' gold in ExodusEgyptians to seek compensation for 'tons' allegedly taken Posted: August 22, 20035:00 p.m. Eastern ©2003WorldNetDaily.com As attorneys and politicians grapple over the validity of slave reparations, a group of Egyptians have trumped the debate with a claim against Jews that dates back thousands of years. Dr. Nabil Hilmi, a dean at the University of Al-Zaqaziq, said Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland are mounting a massive lawsuit against "all Jews around the world" that seeks compensation for "tons" of gold they claim was stolen during the Jews' exodus out of the country. Hilmi described the suit in an interview with the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi. "Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless," Hilmi told the paper, according to a translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute. Claiming the alleged theft was documented in Exodus, Chapter 35, verses 12 through 36 in the Torah, Hilmi described how a convoy of 600,000 Jews trailed by a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods including 300,000 kg of gold crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army. "The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known," the MEMRI translation quotes Hilmi as saying. "The thieves stole everything imaginable." "One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding," Hilmi continued. "The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils." Hilmi estimates the nominal value of the 300 tons of gold purportedly stolen 5,758 years ago would be astronomically large. He figures the value doubled every 20 years and conservatively tacks on 5 percent interest. Hilmi said a legal team will file the lawsuit after the calculation of the compensation is completed. "If [the alleged theft] is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners," he said. "On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft." Related special offers: Cecil B. DeMille's 'The 10 Commandments' Understanding the 10 Commandments www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A
[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Prominent Republican Quits Recall Race
-Caveat Lector- This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] But our nation IS run by millionaires and celebrities! Who is McClintock trying to kid? [EMAIL PROTECTED] / advertisement ---\ Explore more of Starbucks at Starbucks.com. http://www.starbucks.com/default.asp?ci=1015 \--/ Prominent Republican Quits Recall Race August 24, 2003 By JOHN M. BRODER LOS ANGELES, Aug. 23 - Bill Simon Jr., one of the best-known Republicans in the recall election for California governor, dropped out of the race today, saying that the defeat of Gov. Gray Davis was more important than his personal ambitions. Mr. Simon had come under intense pressure from fellow Republicans in recent days to withdraw from the contest to avoid splintering the Republican vote. Two other prominent Republicans, State Senator Tom McClintock and Peter V. Ueberroth, vowed today to stay in the race. But with six weeks to go until the Oct. 7 recall vote, the contest to replace Mr. Davis - should the recall succeed - was quickly taking on the appearance of a two-man race between Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, a Democrat, and Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican. Mr. Bustamante is the lone prominent Democrat on the ballot. While most Democratic officials are urging a no vote on the recall, they are also supporting Mr. Bustamante in case the recall question passes. Under the convoluted rules governing the election, Mr. Simon's name will remain on the ballot, along with 134 other candidates. In his statement today, Mr. Simon did not endorse Mr. Schwarzenegger or any other candidate, but he urged voters to remove Mr. Davis from office. I strongly believe that the desire of Californians must come before the aspirations of any single candidate, he said. There are too many Republicans in this race. And the people of our state simply cannot risk a continuation of the Gray Davis legacy. In a brief statement, Mr. Schwarzenegger praised Mr. Simon for his decision. I hope Bill's personal sacrifice will serve to unify Republicans and other Californians who are eager to join the movement to give California back its future, Mr. Schwarzenegger said. Mr. Simon's decision was based on cold-eyed political and financial calculations. He was badly trailing Mr. Schwarzenegger in polls and saw little prospect for gaining substantial support in the face of Mr. Schwarzenegger's celebrity and wealth. A poll from the Public Policy Institute of California this week had Mr. Schwarzenegger at 23 percent, Mr. McClintock at 5 percent, and Mr. Simon and Mr. Ueberroth tied at 4 percent. Mr. Bustamante was supported by 18 percent. Mr. Simon and Mr. McClintock were competing for the votes of fiscal and social conservatives, many of whom have expressed reservations about Mr. Schwarzenegger's moderate views on abortion and gay rights. In addition, Mr. Simon has millions of dollars of debt from his unsuccessful campaign for governor last fall and apparently did not want to risk any more of his fortune. He lost to Mr. Davis in a close race last November, but the contest was seen more as a referendum on the unpopular Mr. Davis than as a vote of confidence in Mr. Simon, who ran a fairly inept campaign in his first try for elective office. K. B. Forbes, Mr. Simon's chief spokesman, denied that Mr. Simon had backed out because of pressure from party officials or major donors. But on Friday, the Lincoln Club of Orange County, a group of wealthy conservative Republicans, unanimously endorsed Mr. Schwarzenegger and urged Mr. Simon, Senator McClintock and Mr. Ueberroth to step aside. Also on Friday, the Republican leader of the State Senate, Jim Brulte, warned that there were too many Republicans in the race and that some would have to drop out to avoid handing victory to Mr. Davis or Mr. Bustamante. Mr. Forbes said that Mr. Simon had raised less than $500,000 to finance his committee, a fraction of what it would cost to mount a credible statewide campaign. Unlike last fall's race, when he invested several million dollars, Mr. Simon had not put any of his own money into this race, Mr. Forbes said. Mr. Simon, who lives in the Pacific Palisades area of Los Angeles, is a businessman and son of William E. Simon, the former treasury secretary. Mr. McClintock was attending a Republican gathering in Placer County in Northern California today and has a full schedule of appearances in coming days, his deputy campaign manager, John Stoos, said. This is one horse who's in the race to stay, Mr. Stoos said, and then took a shot at Mr. Schwarzenegger. What Senator McClintock has been saying is that if every time a qualified candidate had to step aside when a rich person or a celebrity wanted to run for public office, our nation would be run by nothing but millionaires and celebrities. Dan Schnur, Mr. Ueberroth's campaign manager, said the candidate would remain in
[CTRL] Dubya and His Blue Ox
-Caveat Lector- http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski34.html Dubya and His Blue Ox by Karen Kwiatkowski Bob Herbert at the New York Times wrote recently about the price we are paying for Iraq. He doesnt much emphasize the current and future tax receipts tossed into the maelstrom like so much confetti by a strangely child-like George W. Bush. He refers instead to the carnage and ill-will we have generated by "the war we so foolishly started in Iraq." In a few powerful words, he paints the unlovely picture of todays and tomorrows reality in Iraq a bloody reality that is the "payoff of a policy spun from fantasies and lies." Of course, those who disagree with his gloomy assessment might accuse him of hyperbole. Like millions of conservatives and liberals in this country who observe reality with their eyes wide open and are well-versed in ethics as well as history, Bob is concerned about the bad path set down by the Bush administrations foreign policy advisors. Specifically those advisors who took a Texas-sized risk with both the facts and our soldiers lives when they decided, in their infinite wisdom about world affairs and their unique perspective on the Constitution and the value of the lives of American soldiers, that it would be a really cool idea for Americas military to invade and occupy Iraq. Seriously folks, there is lots of oil there, OPEC was never meant to deal in euros, and Israel shouldnt be the only gentle and generous friend of democracy and peace in the region. The latest neoconservative argument for the rightness and justness of our current Iraq venture is articulated by John OSullivan in the 1 September issue of National Review. His article, entitled "No Quagmire: How to Avoid One This Time," coalesces on the theme that our ill-planned and ill-motivated invasion of a mid-size Middle Eastern sovereign of multiple ethnicities is not a reality per se, but instead only a "McGuffin." A "McGuffin," OSullivan later tells us (and thank goodness he does!), is "the device needed to get the plot going." The "plot" in this case is a left-wing anti-American script that is backward-looking, politically driven, and part of a leftish desire to "turn Iraq into a self-induced American neurosis." It is interesting that John OSullivan is represented by Benador Associates. He shares that connection with such distinguished Iraq war designers, armchair generals and girlishly enthusiastic cheerleaders as Richard Perle, James Woolsey, Frank Gaffney, Charles Krauthammer, Laurie Mylroie, Richard Pipes, and Max Boot. This odd neoconservative "lumpen-intelligentsia" (to use one of OSullivans own phrases) sees the U.S. invasion/occupation of Iraq as forward looking, not politically driven at all, and aimed at beefing up Americas self-image and self-esteem. In other words, "Bring 'em on!" Two stories, two points of view. One accurate and heart-breaking, the other more of a tall tale, meant to entertain and impress the impressionable. But really, one wonders why is it so difficult for the neoconservative pom-pom shakers to honestly assess what they have wrought? Them being so smart and all. We do, as fellow men and women, feel their pain. It is undeniably difficult for all Americans to deal conceptually with the ugly, costly, immoral, and dismal reality of liberated Iraq, our 51st state. But there may be signs of hope. OSullivans National Review article closes with an appeal that "irrespective of whether the decision to invade Iraq was itself sensible," conservatives should be aware that it is "vital for both Iraq and the wider U.S. national interest that America's will to win there be sustained." Hold up a second! OSullivan must have slipped this sentence past the newspeak censors at Benador Associates and the American Enterprise Institute! In suggesting the possibility that the decision to invade Iraq may not have been sensible, he is breaking a foundational rule of the tall tale. Yes, my dear neoconservative lumpen-intelligentsia, there are rules for telling tall tales. One of them is that the stories "must be of a highly exaggerated, improbable nature and have a theme or plot." You did OK on the pre-war Iraqi threat part highly exaggerated, improbable as well. But the theme or plot must be present and it must be consistent. Suggesting that there might be a midstream correction somewhere is a clear violation. To imply that the original neoconservative premise on Iraq was flawed at the midpoint of the story simply ruins everything. This is truly a sad moment in our cultural history, in more ways than one. You boys and girls of Benador have embarrassed the great state of Texas, besmirched the noble tradition of the tall tale, and youre probably going to be hearing about it soon enough from Dubya himself. Just as soon as he finishes cutting timber with Babe down on the ranch, hell be taking giant steps in your direction. In fact, I do believe I feel the ground trembling right here in
[CTRL] Secret Saudi History
-Caveat Lector- http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030812221737540 Secret Saudi History Tuesday, August 12 2003 @ 10:17 PM GMT "I smiled at my own joke, but the clerk's smile disappeared. 'Ask again,' he hissed, 'and I will call security to remove you from the building and have you barred as a security risk ..'" By Sarah Whalen* "I'm sorry," the clerk at the U.S. National Archives says: "You can't see the Saudi Arabian documents." I'm surprised. All the National Archive's documents are already reviewed and then declassified or removed. In theory, whatever's there is no longer secret. Until 9/11. "It's part of the Patriot Act," the clerk averred, referring to Public Law 107-56, the hastily-passed legislation entitled, "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001." "The U.S. State Department records you requested are indeed declassified and theoretically available. But they also may contain information that terrorists can use, like names and addresses and information of U.S. citizens." I gave a blank look. "So?" The clerk's brow furrowed with concern. "A terrorist could come into the National Archives and try to steal their identities or target them for assassination." I protested: "The documents I seek are over thirty years old and even older." Now the clerk's smile became nothing but teeth, his eyes narrowed with suspicion. I persisted: "Any person the record concerns will be either quite elderly or already dead." The clerk's brittle smile remained fixed. "I'm sorry, you can't look at the Saudi records even if they are a hundred years old." I tried again. "Come on. Who's identity would a terrorist be able to steal from these records? Dwight Eisenhower's? Nixon's or Kissinger's? King Faisel's? They're not easy identities to steal." Getting no response, I tried again. "Who'd want to be Kissinger, anyway? I guess you could get a good table at Lutece." I smiled at my own joke, but the clerk's smile disappeared. "Ask again," he hissed, "and I will call security to remove you from the building and have you barred as a security risk." I was stunned by the clerk's absolute refusal, and stung by his implication that I, a wife, mother, and published researcher and writer, was some kind of horrid criminal. But this is only a taste of the Patriot Act's damage to the American mind. If the mere desire to research Saudi history is met with stern threats of arrest or detention, imagine what it is like to be a Saudi in America today. Or a Muslim. Or someone from the Middle East. Arrest would be shameful and inconvenient. I'm due to take my son to the Smithsonian in a few hours to look at dinosaurs, and I teach a law class on Wednesdays. But the true American in me refuses to just walk meekly away. I'm a U.S. taxpayer, and some of my taxes go to support the Archives building, its surly clerk, and others, all of whom are part of a public trust that uniquely safeguards the records on which the continuation of U.S. democracy ultimately depends. These records belong to me and to all U.S. citizens. They document our common heritage and the individual and collective experiences of our people and nation. A true democracy allows and enables people to inspect for themselves the record of what government has done. The clerk himself knows this because it's on the National Archives' own website. I smile at the scowling clerk: "Could I please see a supervisor?" The supervisor appears, as conciliatory as any diplomat, with profuse apologies for the records being withheld. He reiterates the problem of stolen identities and the assassination threats to leaders elderly or already long dead. He then whispers conspiratorily, "Why are you looking at Saudi Arabia, anyway?" "I'm researching a history of the State Department's positions on Wahhabism," I whisper back. "Ooh, that's s interesting!" the supervisor replies. He chats me up: "Are you writing a book or an article? Who publishes your work?" Now it's my turn to lose my smile. In seven years of research, no one at the Archives has ever been interested in my work. "Why do you want to know?" I ask. The National Archives keeps all records of documents requests by requestor's name and I've produced a passport and other identification for my pass. "Am I on a some kind of list?" An eavesdropping researcher at a nearby desk laughs out loud and replies, "All of us researchers are on some kind of list now, I'm afraid." The supervisor is unflappable. He chuckles along with the researcher. We again discuss the Patriot Act's requirement that all archival documents be re-screened because of possible identity theft or assassination plots by terrorists. I just chuckle and nod, not wanting to be threatened with arrest again. "I'm sorry you were threatened with arrest," the supervisor adds, "but a lot of people become angry or hysterical when they're told
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Title: Message -Caveat Lector- Blavatsky's Theosophy was antisemitic. It was the originating movement of Lucis Trust, and today it is still extremely active around the world. Like Lucis Trust, there are many group and individuals following this belief system. While I was unable to find the original article regarding David Irving on the net, there are many links to the debate which followed, quoting the original comments. The site itself has many, many articles dealing with esoteric history. http://sociologyesoscience.com/ [HOME] History on Trial: Editorial Too often modernist post New Agers claim history doesnt matter, the die is already cast. However next this empty space is too easily filled with the most inaccurate assumptions as described in the introduction of this web site. Rather history can be defined as the product of the discovery and description of past events. The description can take the form of either narration or analysis, as long as ones methods of discovery are as scientifically rigorous as possible. Along with psychology, sociology, and anthropology, history adds to our understanding of human behavior by providing data of what people have actually done. Humans are storytelling beings and history is our story. Since history is an interaction of both contingencies and necessities, it involves the study of both unique one-time events and universal repetitive trends: times arrow and times cycle. For both, but especially the latter, the social sciences are an integral part to finding the repetitive signals in the background noise, and as such the study of history can benefit greatly from the social sciences. The problem is that sometimes historians are attempting to write about humans and their behavior without knowing the best science available on these difficult questions. To really understand history historians need to test their claims. Unfortunately historians never take any courses in hypothesis testing. Historians can still write great stories, but they must be, stories grounded in facts, not fiction; in science, not anecdotes. The historian can act as a psychologist and sociologist of the past by employing statistical and other scientific methodologies to estimate the probabilities of events, causes, and our confidence in them. This is well described in a 2002 book by Richard Evans, who took as an example the analysis of the David Irving trial three years ago. In Telling Lies About Hitler he describes why History does matter he writes: Let us now move forward into the past with the best science available, so that the uncertainties of the historical boundaries will be made as clear as our faculties allow. For truth, the Guardian rightly said, cannot be assumed, but has to be worked at ... Even a casual reader of the case reports could quickly see how painstaking genuine historical scholarship is; it builds detail upon detail, avoiding casual inference and thin deduction It was truth established in this way over many years that had been vindicated. The trial demonstrated triumphantly the ability of historical scholarship to reach reasoned conclusions about the Nazi extermination of the Jews on the basis of a careful examination of the written evidence. It vindicated our capacity to know what happened after the survivors are no longer around to tell the tale. It showed that we can know, beyond reasonable doubt, even if explaining and understanding will always be a matter for
[CTRL] child porn - gangs and judge, Geoghan killed, snap info., ashcroft
-Caveat Lector- also has Secret Saudi History Guantanamo may free children Ashcroft Criticized for Talks on Terror scroll for news articles three from L Moss Sharman Crime gangs 'contribute to internet child porn surge' George Wright 8/21/03 "Crime gangs are contributing to a surge in internet child porn, according to the national criminal intelligence service's (NCIS) annual assessment of serious and organised crime. The study, published today, says the number of websites showing child porn - often featuring images of what is believed to be actual abuse - rose by 64% last year." http://www.guardian.co.uk/child/story/0,7369,1027002,00.html Federal Sex-Crime Charges Shock Friends of Ex-Judge By Tyrone Richardson Newark 8/22/03 "Friends and colleagues of Judge Stephen W. Thompson were dismayed when he was accused in April of possessing child pornography. police searched Mr. Thompson's vacation home in Avalon and confiscated more than a dozen videotapes of children engaged in sexual acts...found numerous pornographic magazines and 57 computer disks containing what prosecutors said were thousands of images of child pornographyOne of those membership cards...was for the North American Man-Boy Love Association, a group that promotes sex between men and boys." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/23/nyregion/23JUDG.html Paedophile priest killed in US prison attack 8/24/03 Boston - "Defrocked priest John Geoghan, a central figure in the Catholic Church's sex abuse scandal, was killed today by a fellow-inmate in the prison where he was serving a sentence for child rapeInternal Church documents obtained by the media showed that Geoghan's sex abuse history was well known to church officials but that they continued to let him work with children. The Boston Globe reported last year that Geoghan was removed from four straight parishes between 1974 and 1989 for molesting children.More than 130 people have filed suits against Geoghan claiming he sexually abused them. Nearly one year ago the Archdiocese of Boston settled the cases of 86 of Geoghan's victims for US$10 million." http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3519644thesection=newsthesubsection=world SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests http://www.snapnetwork.org/ http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030812221737540 Secret Saudi History Tuesday, August 12 2003 By Sarah Whalen "I'm sorry," the clerk at the U.S. National Archives says: "You can't see the Saudi Arabian documents." I'm surprised. All the National Archive's documents are already reviewed and then declassified or removed. In theory, whatever's there is no longer secret. Until 9/11. "It's part of the Patriot Act," the clerk averred, referring to Public Law 107-56, the hastily-passed legislation entitled, "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001." "The U.S. State Department records you requested are indeed declassified and theoretically available. But they also may contain information that terrorists can use, like names and addresses and information of U.S. citizens." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3172617.stm 22 August, 2003 Guantanamo may free children The commander of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp has told the BBC the US military is hoping to release children it is holding there. The BBC's Gordon Corera, in Guantanamo Bay, says the US's interviews with the three children - aged between 13 and 15 - reveal they may have been coerced into fighting in Afghanistan They have been held with no access to a lawyer or understanding of what will happen to them, our correspondent adds. But the children have been given access to games, even videos, as well as an extensive education programme. http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/082303E.shtml Ashcroft Criticized for Talks on Terror By Eric Lichtblau New York Times Friday 22 August 2003 WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 - Attorney General John Ashcroft faced sharp criticism today from Democrats and others over his decision to give more than a dozen speeches around the country in defense of anti-terrorism legislation passed after the Sept. 11 attacks. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Prominent Republican Quits Recall Race
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/24/2003 6:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill Simon Jr., one of the best-known Republicans in the recall election for California governor, dropped out of the race today, saying that the defeat of Gov. Gray Davis was more important than his personal ambitions. Is this guy the son of the William Simon who killed Simplicity Pattern, Singer Sewing Machine and most of the glass industry in the United States? Such an interesting thought that such a family, I believe the now deceased William Simon (even though Republican) served in Johnson's cabinet and then later served under Bush the First, is still dipping its snout in the public trough. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
