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Wealth is CREATED, not distributed.
Regard$,
--MJ
It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks
from inquiry. -- Thomas Paine
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MJ:
Wealth is CREATED, not distributed.
Das GOAT wrote:
Even ENERGY can be neither created nor destroyed, just
redistributed. 'Twould seem even God has less "power"
than an ideological Capitalist.
MJ:
False analogy. Wealth is NOT energy.
Regard$,
--MJ
Few skills
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MJ:
Wealth is CREATED, not distributed.
nurev wrote:
I'm talking about on EARTH, Mr. Johnson.
MJ:
I am merely POINTING at REALITY.
Regard$,
--MJ
It is an affront to truth to treat falsehood with
complaisance. -- Thomas Paine
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Mike Kathy Moxley wrote:
Was George Washington a Christian?
MJ:
In a word, No.
from Franklin Steiner's The Religious Beliefs of Our President's 19
Every public man, every office holder and politician
realizes that organized religion, socially, politically
and
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Mike Kathy Moxley wrote:
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be
based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer
of mankind. It is impossible that it should be
otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent
our civilization and our
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MJ:
Wealth is CREATED, not distributed.
Das GOAT wrote:
Even ENERGY can be neither created nor destroyed, just
redistributed. 'Twould seem even God has less "power"
than an ideological Capitalist.
MJ:
False analogy. Wealth is NOT energy.
Regard$,
--MJ
Few skills
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Ric Carter wrote:
If you believe that "state sovereignty" is a Constitutional
issue, or that the Articles of Confederation deserve standing
as "the supreme Law of the Land", please cite such sections of
the Constitution that I may have missed. Thank you.
If it
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Das GOAT wrote:
"A senior member of the Liberal party objected strenuously
that this measure, if passed, would give Dutch citizens
too much power over their government."
Entire Dutch Cabinet Resigns
By ANTHONY DEUTSCH
.c The Associated Press
THE
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nurev wrote:
That's not the point. These people don't like any kind of
democracy because they are essentially elitist and resent
being restricted by society.
MJ:
Straw man, non sequitur, ad hominem ...
Some people favor freedom, liberty and equality over
the whims of
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you want long lines like what they experience in Canada,
under a socialized health care system?
Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Canada's system sounds great to me.
They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal
health
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One poster:
Republicans, in general, advocate both economic and social
interventions. Libertarians advocate neither. That seems
to me to be a rather greater difference then you would
indicate above.
Edward Britton wrote:
How, exactly, do Republicans advocate
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Gerald Harp forwarded:
Tom J. Wright
A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary
January 1-January 15, 1999
Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly:
Somebody Stop Them Before They Kill Again
Although overshadowed lately by MonicaGate, the brutal
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would estimate that of over 50% of all consumer manufactured
goods are coming from Communist China. Why? Well, because the
capitalist built their latest and best manufacturing plants
there? Why? Cheap Labour. Huge Market.
MJ:
How long
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MJ:
While the conclusion may or may NOT be true [cause], what exactly
makes the muder of an individual within a 'protected' group WORSE
than the murder of some other individual?
Gerald Harp wrote:
Yes, murder is murder and the US murder statistics stand out
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MJ:
Criminalization of drugs, prostitution, gambling, sodomy ...
encouragement of prayer in the government schools, the
government schools themselves ...
Edward Britton wrote:
"Criminalization of drugs (a wasted effort, apart from
filling the coffers of
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Hilary Thomas wrote:
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This
is cleverly done by eliminating the middle class.
MJ:
Horse hockey ... let's see the numbers to back up this rhetoric.
Regard$,
--MJ
The long-range solution [to high unemployment] is to
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MJ:
It is an effort to CONTROL behaviors based NOT upon freedom
and liberty. [ALL non-property 'crimes' are revenue
generators :) ]
Edward Britton wrote:
Agreed, but never contested. We were discussing ways, APART
from the punishment of/for criminals that
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comments: NAFTA's proponents promised benefits for the U.S.,
Canada and Mexico. The promises - 200,000 new U.S. jobs from
NAFTA per year, higher wages in Mexico and a growing U.S.
trade surplus with Mexico, environmental clean-up and
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Gerald Harp wrote:
However, the level of the proceeding has been drenched in
pomposity to date as though the Republicans are desperate
in making themselves appear sober rather than the vengeful
little twits attempting to overthrow a government that they
are.
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Jim Norman wrote:
If fact there is no difference between the parties. It's
as if they are all the same, exactly as you stated. How
is it we can find no honorable men to run for an office
and when we do find a good man, we can't get him elected
because the
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Agent Smiley forwarded:
The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) -- Anyone arrested for driving drunk in
New York City will have their cars seized and not
given back unless they are acquitted of the charges,
the police commissioner said Thursday.
"There's
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nurev wrote:
Are you stupid beyond belief or what? What kind of
phony comparisons are you trying to pull here?
MJ:
There are no phony comparisons -- THINK -- if you believe *I*
am dangerous because *I* have gotten shitfaced drunk and
gotten in a car and perform to
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Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
That says it all. And "human rights" are however the
government defines them.
MJ:
Yes, no rights exist EXCEPT by FORCE.
Regard$,
--MJ
As property, honestly obtained, is best secured by an
equality of rights, so ill-gotten property depends
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Prudy
Are you suggesting some sort of dictator as a leader?
J FROST wrote:
How do you know when you are in a republic/democracy
and not a dictatorship?
MJ:
You liken America to a Dictatorship (itself not inherrantly a
BAD concept) ... considering that Anarchy is
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MJ:
In regards to America as the constitution plainly states ...
[followed by our current bastardized system of statism]
J FROST wrote:
This is supposed to be a republic so quote all the
happy horse shit until you are blue in the face and
when you are done, tell
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MJ:
Government should serve ONLY to provide ALL individuals
protection fron FORCE and FRAUD ... certainly that should
take closer to 5% of one's earnings rather than 50% plus.
Edward Britton wrote:
This would be fine, but how would the government "know"
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Alamaine Ratliff forwarded:
Senate impeachment trial opens: political coup enters
climactic stage
By the Editorial Board
8 January, 1999
The opening of the Senate impeachment trial will be
remembered in history as a critical milestone in the
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flw forwarded:
Rehnquist to Congress: Stop Federalizing Crime
On New Year's Eve day, Chief Justice of the United States
Supreme Court William Rehnquist delivered his annual end-of-
year report on the judiciary to Congress. His message to
legislators, spoken in
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MJ:
To PROTECT from FORCE and FRAUD an individual's RIGHT to
his OWN life is the ONLY legitimate function of Government
J FROST wrote:
Then why does the government protect whores, homosexuals
dope users, drunks "rights"
If the Constitution protect's an
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Brown, Jeremy wrote:
It appears that, in an attempt to get to the bottom of this,
we have painted ourselves into a corner.
MJ:
?
Brown, Jeremy wrote:
This is the old "fire in a crowded theater" argument.
MJ:
False analogy. One who yells fire in a crowded theater
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Edward Britton wrote:
snip chiding
MJ:
There is a stark difference between OBSERVATION and insult.
Regard$,
--MJ
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him
find it within himself. -- Galileo
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nurev wrote:
This is how modern society is organized. If you don't
like it, move to Libertaria.
MJ:
Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified
by another name.
Regard$,
--MJ
A Democracy: Three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
A Republic:
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nurev wrote:
This is how modern society is organized. If you don't
like it, move to Libertaria.
MJ:
Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily identified
by another name.
nurev wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard this song before.
But do
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nurev wrote:
This is how modern society is organized. If you don't
like it, move to Libertaria.
MJ:
Whatever the MOB says goes? Certainly a Tyranny easily
identified by another name.
nurev wrote:
You keep calling groups of people a mob.
MJ:
Only where
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Should 'education' in the formal sense be separated
from Government control, 'public' funding and the like?
... perhaps for the same reasons that it has been
suggested that Religion and Government should remain
apart?
~~for educational purposes only~~
The Lies Your
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William Shannon wrote:
I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a
socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals
are capitalists through and through.
Capitalism requires the complete separation of the economy
and the state -- as such NEITHER Rs
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http://www.npl.com/~tkrell/writings/bible/american-heritage.html
The Roots of American Government
A survey of the religious foundations of our democracy
Tim A. Krell
Krell
Americans, as a whole, know embarrassingly little
about their own heritage.
MJ:
Especially
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Eagle 1 wrote:
What is it with guns?
Guns don't kill anyone.
nurev wrote:
You are a liar!
MJ:
If you and I sat in a room (or you sat alone) with a gun
on the table ... at what point does the gun shoot you or
I?
Regard$,
--MJ
I am convinced that we can do to guns
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves
money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the
Public
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nurev wrote:
That's not the point. These people don't like any kind of
democracy because they are essentially elitist and resent
being restricted by society.
MJ:
Straw man, non sequitur, ad hominem ...
Some people favor freedom, liberty and equality
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Bejamin Rush (at the time of ourFounding):
the time
will come when medicine will organize into an undercover
dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of
men and deny equal privileges to others:
Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:
I think this time has already
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MJ:
For this to be true ... others MUST be slaves, victims
of theft and out and out raped so that 'everyone' has
healthcare -- whatever that may entail.
nessie wrote:
How so?
MJ:
How will doctors, nurses, et al AND supplies be 'paid for'? Will
these people be
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nessie wrote:
Affluent people of all nations get better health care than
the rest of us. This is an atrocity. Health care is a human
right.
MJ:
How so? For this to be true ... others MUST be slaves, victims
of theft and out and out raped so that 'everyone' has
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Das GOAT wrote:
"Thousands of local police nationwide were trained in the use
of 'racial profiling' by the DEA, as part of its 'Operation
Pipeline,' a federally funded anti-drug program."
Racial profiling
by Walter Williams
NEW JERSEY GOV. CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN
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nessie wrote:
Not all of the "rest of the working class" CAN pay for
their own health care, at least not if they want to
also eat food, wear clothes and live indoors.
Keep their cell phones, two cars, beepers, credit cards ...
MJ:
Pfewww dusts off
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
There's always a certain percentage of the population that
is unable to work for a variety of physical/psychological
reasons...disabilities, mental health problems, etc.
MJ:
Does this provide them with a 'special right' to steal
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Edward Britton wrote:
There is a saying that both creme and scum rise to the
top, and in that regard, surely this essay is a fine
example of the latter.
MJ:
No problem here -- certainly a legitimate opinion/review.
Edward Britton wrote:
I want to
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
I find it interesting that Williams does NOT ask WHY D.C.
is filled with "black thugs."
snip
The blame-game is a tricky affair. First off, we have to
ask ourselves exactly why it is that we live in a country
in which crime
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
I find libertarianism to be not only a flawed approach to
political and social issues...but also a dangerous one.
snip extension of logical fallacy
MJ:
I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian. I see your use of
ad hominem and the straw
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Whenever this government tries to help people, it does a
miserable job. Why? Because in case you haven't noticed,
for the most part, Americans, in general, hate the poor
and the working class.
BULLSHIT.
Regard$,
--MJ
A man receiving
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
I feel sorry for you, MJ, if you equate humanitarian
care for the elderly and the indigent with "stealing."
MJ:
I said no such thing. You confuse words with concepts AND
you also confuse CHARITY with government theft.
William Hugh
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A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there
is no more effective way to limit thought than to
control the language itself. By changing definitions
of words through continual association, any serious
discussion involving the concepts that the words
represents becomes
pointing at reality.
If YOU will read my statement below, you will plainly see that
the subject of my comment was NOT you (unless of course you are
trying on shoes for fit).
(snipped for brevity)
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote:
I have never claimed nor am I a Libertarian. I see your use
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Adam Smith recognized that there were some services which
the "free market" cannot provide for citizens.
MJ:
What has Adam Smith to do with anything?
William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Please clarify your position. Are you against All taxes?
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
A man or woman's character is meaningless in America. It
is the possession of wealth that matters. Of course, you
or I might judge individuals differently; but for the most
part, Americans judge and evaluate one another on the
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Income, taxes and demagoguery
by Thomas Sowell
WHEN YOU HEAR POLITICIANS and intellectuals talking -- often
very loudly -- about "the rich," do you ever wonder who they
are talking about and how much money those "rich" people make?
And do you ever wonder why those who are
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Nurev:
No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through,
there always remains the deadly constants.
1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS
causes concentration of wealth into few hands. With that
ALWAYS comes control and
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Why do you feel the need to play these little, crappy
rhetorical games?
MJ:
I am 'playing' no games.
Let us take the most basic example of late:
libertarian (lîb´er-târ´ê-en) noun
1. One who believes in freedom of action and thought.
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Howard R. Davis III wrote:
Life Magazine made a list of the individuals who had the
most effect upon our civilization during the last millenium.
At the top of the list was Thomas Alva Edison. When his
teacher told his mother that he would never amount to anything
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Income, taxes and demagoguery
by Thomas Sowell
William Hugh Tunstall
Mr. Sowell is engaged in a rather clever campaign of
disinformation.
snip information about some book
Sorry. The facts do not support Sowell's position.
MJ:
The 'facts' in the book you
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SCIO-LTD wrote:
The subsidies are often indirect through the granting of
minor or major monopolies, (for a good example see the
history of ATT, and the monopoly they had for well over
a half a century).The government often has a dual
use/dual purpose
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
The free trade vs. protectionism debate is something of a joke.
MJ:
Yes, especially when ONLY the latter exists in the reality
of today.
Regard$,
--MJ
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of
belief in freedom itself. --
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Nice try, Mr. Johnson, but you're in error. Bartlett
and Steele use figures from the OMB, the IRS and the
US Census Bureau... not the House Ways and Means
Committee and NOT the Tax Foundation!
MJ:
So Bartlett Steele (fallacy of
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
... have had articles featuring what I believe is a growing
class division in America.
MJ:
Do NOT 99% of Americans consider themselves 'middle class'?
Is it class division or culture?
It it a PERCEPTION manipulation?
Are you considering
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Much of the R and D in high tech industries is funded
by the taxpayers... We have NASA, NSA, Livermore, MIT,
the mammoth defense contractors.. Silicon Valley
has had its share of government subsidies..
MJ:
Then it is
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The Roots of War
by Alyssa Rosenbaum
It is said that nuclear weapons have made wars too
horrible to contemplate. Yet every nation on earth
feels, in helpless terror, that such a war might
come.
The overwhelming majority of mankind -- the people
who die on the battlefields or
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Alyssa Rosenbaum
Germany and Russia needed war; the United States did
not and gained nothing. (In fact, the United States
lost, economically, even though it won the war: it
was left with an enormous national debt, augmented
by the grotesquely futile policy of
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Carl Amedio wrote:
Free Trade Is Not Free
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Two Sides to NAFTA on Display at ...
MJ:
NAFTA is NOT Free Trade, though is touted as such which is perhaps
the problem, but typical in today's confusion.
Regard$,
--MJ
A totalitarian state
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Kenn Thomas wrote:
You can bet that the cause of this violence will be tracked
to everywhere but the actual source.
You certainly missed it ... individual responsibility coupled
with piss-poor parenting.
Regard$,
--MJ
Responsibility by definition means answerable or
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Responsibility by definition means answerable or accountable
for. And what is a person responsible for? Everything he
thinks, says or does. Why? Because no matter what or whom
one can blame for the circumstances of his life, he is still
stuck with the consequences of everything
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Well my computer has been 'ill' ...
This is total and absolute nonsense:
Das GOAT wrote:
snip
1901
"The Spindletop [oil] gusher in Beaumont, Texas, gives
John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Trust its first
major competition. The Beaumont Field contains more
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Kris Millegan wrote:
Read what was written and what you posted.
90% control does not mean output.
Dogmatic blindness?
MJ:
Standard Oil's market percentage PEAKED at 88%.
Reaching such a level is NOT a monopoly NOR does it
imply/infer/mean such a level was
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S. Lucas wrote:
The questions are phrased in absolutes. There are no
absolutes.
MJ:
Are you 'absolutely' a female?
The quiz asked yes, no or maybe ... WHERE is the 'absolute'
in such responses?
Regard$,
--MJ
The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident
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Andrew Kieran wrote:
how the hell do you define a socialist??!!
socialist (so´she-lîst) noun
Abbr. soc.
1. An advocate of socialism.
2. Often Socialist . A member of a political party or group that
advocates socialism.
socialism (so´she-lîz´em) noun
1. a. A
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Ric Carter wrote:
Interesting... BTW the last time I looked, there was precisely
1 (one) socialist in Congress, Bernie Sanders of Vermont [that
hotbed of Fabianism, Marxism and Castroism].
Actually by your definition there are zero. Mr. Sanders is
an independent,
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Ric Carter wrote:
Interesting... BTW the last time I looked, there was precisely
1 (one) socialist in Congress, Bernie Sanders of Vermont [that
hotbed of Fabianism, Marxism and Castroism].
MJ:
Actually by your definition there are zero. Mr. Sanders is
an
The Government has been 'monopolizing' and selling this
for years.
Regard$,
--MJ
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be
extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated
because of the stench of dead fish.
-- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970
A
Bill
OK...5 million posts a day is one thing but now we're subject to every
right-wing republican's editorials too??? Yuck! Please cease the
insanity!
MJ
Why not explain WHY Dr. Sowell's piece is 'nonsense' rather
than utilizing Hillary Clinton's tact at diverting attention from
MJ
Why not explain WHY Dr. Sowell's piece is 'nonsense' rather
than utilizing Hillary Clinton's tact at diverting attention from
substance and to personalities -- real or imagined.
Bill
Who said it was "nonsense"??
MJ
Note 'nonsense' in quotes ... this was implied.
Waste your vote! Vote for Patrick Buchanan!
Protectionism and the Destruction of Prosperity
By Murray N. Rothbard
Protectionism, often refuted and seemingly abandoned, has returned,
and with a vengeance. The Japanese, who bounced back from
grievous losses in World War II to astound the world
~~for educational purposes only~~
Anti-trust, Anti-truth
By Thomas J. DiLorenzo
Joel Klein, the third-rate lawyer/political hack
who is in charge of the government's Microsoft
persecution, recently tried to rationalize the
lawsuit by saying that it was in keeping with the
long history of
Eagle 1
Could this mean that the system IS working?
MJ
No.
There is absolutely no possible method for determining whether
or not this Constitutional violation stopped or prohibited *any*
person from obtaining a gun. It might have prevented a person
from purchasing a gun at a
Joshua2
If we're REAL lucky we can get the biggest, most corrupt government
on earth to pass laws that will shut down one of its most lucrative
operations. Legalized bribery.
How to do this?
By encouraging the self same slime to accept ' finance reform '
or some
~~for educational purposes only~~
A Post-Liberal America
by Paul Gottfried
On all side of contemporary political
debate, one key shibboleth is both
widely conceded and little examined:
that we now decisively have entered a
post-liberal phase of American political
life. This belief, like all
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/A -Cui Bono?-
Nurev:
All of the "acceptable" candidates running for President of the
United States of America are rich, white, Protestant, Capitalist,
Internationalist, Free Traders.
MJ:
Bullshit.
They have NO interest in capitalism
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/A -Cui Bono?-
~~for educational purposes only~~
Free Trade, Mercantilism, and Empire
by Joseph R. Stromberg
HOW TO HAVE 'FREE TRADE'
Most people these days outside of certain
left-wing and right-wing populist
circles understand that global
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/A -Cui Bono?-
the_extremist:
Jon Utley, a former foreign correspondent in Latin America and a
longtime commentator for the Voice of America, is the Robert A.
Taft
Fellow for Constitutional and International Studies at the Ludwig
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/A -Cui Bono?-
Spitzer:
Read this and then tell me if there is ANYONE that still thinks
that corporate money and power does not determine policy making
in this country?
MJ:
Power for politicians determine 'policy' in this country --
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Sean McDougal forwarded:
There are two kinds of propaganda - rational propaganda
in favor of action that is consonant with the
enlightened self-interest of those who make it and
those to whom it is addressed, and non-rational
propaganda that is not consonant
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Joshua
America's founding principles were concocted by our
Founding Finaglers who are well described by the
philosophers below. The Founding Finaglers made
damn sure that the institutions of power they
constructed for themselves would never completely
be
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Dave wrote:
By MICHAEL PAULSON Mail Author
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT
WASHINGTON -- Detailing criticisms likely to form
the basis for much of the protest in Seattle next
snip
The World Trade Organization (WTO)
The World Trade
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nurev wrote:
You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without
the State.
MJ:
I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch.
THIS is capitalism.
Where is the state you were requiring?
Capitalism requires the State to be absent ... once it
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Jeff Russo wrote:
I contract with you... I pay you $20. You do NOT paint my
porch. I now have two options:
1) hunt you down and get my money back or kill you.
2) Use some sort of legal recourse, provided by the
state, to solve this dispute.
MJ:
A. I
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MJ:
I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch.
THIS is capitalism.
Where is the state you were requiring?
Das GOAT wrote:
First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic
exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable
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Ric Carter wrote:
Meanwhile, all the previous writers in this thread seem to
assume Capitalism is about fee-for-service, then argue whether
a State has a role in resolving disputes between contractor
and contractee.
MJ:
Non sequitur, strawman ... proving this
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Ric Carter wrote:
T'ain't so. Capitalism is about acquiring and manipulating
CAPITAL, about owning and controlling the means of production
of material goods. Capitalism is thus about POWER. In
any non-trivial society, many conflicting interests will
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nurev wrote:
Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and
and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on
their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and
the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW. These twisted
apostles of
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MJ:
Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has
any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work
of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690
Das GOAT wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to claim that the "property" owned
by
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THE CRADLE OF CRIME
What is crime and what are its causes?
by Fulton Huxtable
Unless you can answer these two questions, you will never be
able begin to take the steps necessary to reverse the surge
in crime we have witnessed in the past 50 years. The rise in
crime has been a
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von Mises:
Laissez faire does not mean: Let soulless mechanical forces
operate. It means: Let each individual choose how he wants
to cooperate in the social division of labor; let the
consumers determine what the entrepreneurs should produce.
nurev wrote:
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