Re: [CTRL] ime: Clinton Approves CIA Role

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/6/99 3:24:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW YORK (AP) - President Clinton has authorized the CIA to help topple Yugoslavia's President Slobodan Milosevic, Time magazine reports today. CIA computer hackers will try to meddle

Re: [CTRL] CDC Cooking the Books

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/6/99 3:43:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ``It's been amazing with the CDC how much some of the scientists are concerned more about politics than science. They want to protect their careers. That's why they put forth the token

Re: [CTRL] Fear of China Revives Philippine-US Alliance

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/6/99 3:56:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON (AP) - Eight years after the Philippines ordered a shutdown of American military bases on its soil, Filipino concern over Chinese actions in the South China Sea is leading to

[CTRL] Police rob and kill (fwd.)

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- Forwarded from another. Take a look. Ray, the editorial from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution is more of the fool-the-public writing which is endemic in the country as part of the ongoing campaign to confuse us rather than truly inform us. First, to say that Scott was shot

Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history

1999-07-06 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/6/99 10:01:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now there is stronger ammunition that others may have come from Southeast Asia or Europe, much earlier than 11,000-year-old artifacts found in Clovis, New Mexico, suggest. This is

Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine America's pre-history

1999-07-07 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/7/99 2:24:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In science, every tired old paradigm was once a radical new paradigm - and scientists advance not by kissing old orthodox ass, but by coming up with SOLID evidence for NEW ass-kicking

Re: [CTRL] ime: Clinton Approves CIA Role

1999-07-07 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/7/99 4:04:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You missed my point. Personally, I think the Red Chinese, like others, had been given PROMIS, but, unlike the others, may have discovered the "backdoor" and retooled it so that it could

[CTRL] Transponder news (fwd)

1999-07-07 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- From E-WAR-L For any interested. Transponder News is a very informative site about transponder technology. http://rapidttp.com/transponder/ The site covers many applications of transponders and discusses the different types of transponders that are commonly used. It

Re: [CTRL] Radar Shows 'Getaway Boat' Fleeing Flight 800 Crash (fwd)

1999-07-07 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/7/99 8:00:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Government doesn't think the unidentified boat is such a big deal. "It does not intrigue me," said Peter Goelz, the National Transportation Safety Board managing director. F.B.I.

Re: [CTRL] US crypto law cover for industrial spookery (fwd)

1999-07-07 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/7/99 9:20:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A clandestine alliance of spooks in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand has been using moves to bring European encryption regulations into line with US crypto law to steal

Re: [CTRL] A Rush to DNA Sampling Vital Police Tool? Affront to L...

1999-07-07 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/7/99 12:41:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Rush to DNA Sampling Vital Police Tool? Affront to Liberty? Both? By Guy Gugliotta Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, July 7, 1999; Page A01 Affront to liberty, period.

Re: [CTRL] What does the OT say re: homosexuality (fwd)

1999-07-09 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/9/99 6:49:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (I wonder if 'day' purifies himself after each emission of semen, if indeed he is capable of an emission, since Leviticus declares each man 'impure' after such emissions) ;-) This is a

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- PLEASE, let us refrain from the personal attacks and vitriol that follows here. Preserve your passion for your position NOT the other person. Remember questions of a religious nature are always controversial and likely to cause passionate response. Please temper your

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-09 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/9/99 9:26:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then you should fall down prostrate on the ground and beg God's forgiveness, since YOU are one of the most wicked people I've seen. June Sorry, Juney, that you feel quoting

Re: [CTRL] Should homosexuals who areHIV-negative

1999-07-10 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/10/99 2:54:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please understand that homosexulaity, abortion and racial issues have been used deliberatley to divide how population. These are issues that affect people at a gut level and it is easy

Re: [CTRL] Should America Adopt the Gun Controls of Other Democra...

1999-07-13 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/99 6:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think that what happened at Waco and at Ruby Ridge was criminal... absolute atrocities... But the number of nuts with guns is on the increase..and any government is going to respond.

Re: [CTRL] socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx. [a re-post for ...

1999-07-15 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/15/99 4:15:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All this, and Col. House was only the pawn of even BIGGER "invisible king-makers," namely the "Society of the Elect," governed for decades by Lords Cecil and Balfour -- British prime

[CTRL] Earthops

1999-07-16 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- Check out this site, it has some interesting information. Just part of which has been copied to this e-mail. http://www.clark.net/pub/klaatu/home.html Welcome to EarthOps Central! Capital Metro Sprawl District Another locator page on the National Electronic TeleData System.

Re: [CTRL] Nonproliferation: The Clinton Administration Record (fwd)

1999-07-16 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- It is amazing that he would claim anything of the sort that he has diminished the proliferation of nuclear weapons and made the world safer. As for nonproliferation he has failed there since it is now a "fact" that N. Korea and Pakistan have nuclear weapons. As for greater

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Leonard Peltier's Health Condition Deteriorating

1999-07-16 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/16/99 6:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PELTIERiS HEALTH CONDITION DETERIORATING Prison Officials Deny Current x-rays and Refuse Outside Opinion Of course they would do that. When you railroad and frame someone for your own

Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] Action Alert: ABC AGREES WITH DRUG INDU...

1999-07-16 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/16/99 6:53:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ABC AGREES WITH DRUG INDUSTRY: AFFORDABLE MEDICINE FOR AFRICANS IS DANGEROUS We should never have access to cheap drugs. Nor should we or those in Africa even be able to self treat

[CTRL] SIGINT in Europe during the cold war (fwd)

1999-07-16 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- From alt.politics.org.cia There is mention in the beginning of the article on how to sign up for Spy News, that might be interesting to some. To receive more messages like this one and to send your messages to Mario Profaca's SPY NEWS one should subscribe to it. There are two

Re: [CTRL] THE LEGITIMACY OF SLAVERY in Nigeria - by Joseph Sobran

1999-07-17 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/17/99 7:49:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nothing in Sobran's article said that slavery was good or that anyone other than the slaves and slavers had any regard for it. Man's inhumanity to man takes many forms. Slavery does

Re: [CTRL] [1] The Franklin Cover-up - Child Abuse,

1999-07-19 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- I have this book and cannot recommend it enough for a host of good information about the child trafficking and drug running operations in effect around the country. It ties up a lot of loose threads and leads to interesting conclusions. Read it, get it, it is worth it.

Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home

2000-04-22 Thread tenebroust
Usually I think anything Reno does is stupid and sometimes illegal, and I have no trust in her as our nations top law enforcement official (what a joke that is) but in this case she did the right thing and handled it well, under the circumstances. Send the child to Cuba with his father, or

Re: [CTRL] Attacks on longstanding list members

2000-05-01 Thread tenebroust
by the scant rules and give us all a needed break from the religious bashing, already the subject of much chastisement from Kris and myself. Take this opportunity to examine your reasons for being here and be more circumspect in what you post here and comment on. Thank you; Tenebroust On Mon, 01

Re: [CTRL] Attacks on longstanding list members

2000-05-01 Thread tenebroust
I have said this same thing many times myself. As a long time member and a moderator here I have pointed out many times where this sort of thing takes on a life of its own and eventually, if unchecked, will ruin this forum for everyone here. Let us all be the grown ups we are (that would

Re: [CTRL] MODERATORS!! We don't need no steenkin' moderators!

2000-05-01 Thread tenebroust
the focus on the ideas and topics. Thanks Tenebroust On Mon, 01 May 2000, Amelia wrote: Kris, I am honored to be considered. I will forward questions off-list, however I am sure we will all become more tolerant of the opinions of others, won't we, Listers? When new on the list, we

Re: [CTRL] MODERATORS!! We don't need no steenkin' moderators!

2000-05-01 Thread tenebroust
On Mon, 01 May 2000, David Sutherland wrote: Okee Dokee! But questions: I'm a newbie - so's how come i immediately got trolled by some escapee from the Loch - a "nessie" creature? Newbies are always welcome but subject to no less than anyone else here. Some issues provoke more rapid

Re: [CTRL] psychodrama

2000-05-02 Thread tenebroust
On Mon, 01 May 2000, name AOL USER wrote: In my more paranoid, cynical moments I wonder if perhaps some of the more disruptive people who appear on this list are not people at all, but literary creations, characters in a neo-COINTELPRO, psychodrama psy-op. Absolutely !! It certainly is

Re: [CTRL] Who has More Rights?

2000-05-02 Thread tenebroust
Just when you think something is cut and dry the ol' Supremes are at it again. Let us hope that they affirm the lower courts rulings or decide not to act, it seems this is an excellent precedent to regaining our rights from the Police State thugs who think that all must bow to their demands.

Re: [CTRL] Who has More Rights?

2000-05-03 Thread tenebroust
Indeed Samantha, this court is very reactionary in a "Right Wing" sense on many issues, but interestingly they do NOT follow a strict agenda, some decisions have been good for personal rights. I share your concerns regarding where all this is leading, it is very frightening and one of the

Re: [CTRL] Ancient Chemtrails

2000-05-03 Thread tenebroust
Interesting stuff on the plagues of the past. One other thing for your consideration is a supposition by some that the plagues followed the sightings of airborne UFO phenomenon and thus the idea spread by some that the UFO's came to "thin out the herd" as it were. Do any of you remember

Re: [CTRL] SNET: Earth hotter than at any time in history- is pure BULL! (fwd)

2000-05-03 Thread tenebroust
Damn straight! I've been HOPING and PRAYING for the damned Global warming, I can't wait!! On Wed, 03 May 2000, William Bacon wrote: So what if the earth is warming? I Thought most people preferred a warmer climate? A lot of people have spent un told milionsof dollars, TO MOVE WHERE IT IS

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Expletives Deleted

2000-05-03 Thread tenebroust
Ind Research wrote: tenebroust wrote: Why should this story surprise anyone. The fact that the information was uncovered at all is the big story. Of course I believe that Nuclear Power is being railroded by the Oil companies and is deliberately given as bad a rep. as it can be because

Re: [CTRL] THE FAKE DRUG WAR IS TO KEEP THE JAILS FULL

2000-05-04 Thread tenebroust
This is HUGE business, and is the same as the HUGE business that Police Dept.s get when they take your stuff and sell it (if you are suspected of drug crimes). They both represent a conflict of interest which ultimately threatens any attempts at real reform. On Thu, 04 May 2000, "Ronald L.

Re: [CTRL] GM pigs produce new wonder 'green' droppings

2000-05-04 Thread tenebroust
This stuff is truly frightening. Anyone who thinks human clones are not already walking and talking better just rethink their position. Genetic modification, cloning and the like, offer promise for better things for everybody (who wouldn't like to have ready ade spare parts if yours fail?),

Re: [CTRL] Fw: OBRL - Fresh evidence found of cancer risk near pylons

2000-05-04 Thread tenebroust
I predict that this report will be completely ignored, or that its findings will be the subject of much "debunking" by shill scientists everywhere. After all, everyone KNOWS that our own EPA has investigated this and found NO danger, so we must all be safe. On Thu, 04 May 2000, Ynr Chyldz

Re: [CTRL] More Nexus Paranoia from Dunks

2000-05-04 Thread tenebroust
You are right in my opinion. Nexus is not political in the strict sense of the word, but it might apear so to people who have their own agenda, or who are not aware what Nexus is all about. Since the magazine is about exposing hidden history and conspiracy it might SEEM like it is political

Re: [CTRL] No politics in NEXUS Magazine?

2000-05-04 Thread tenebroust
On Thu, 04 May 2000, nexusmagazine wrote: I've been collecting Nexus since 1990 and it is from my point of view distressingly bereft of controversial political commentary. I intentionally keep it bereft of controversial political commentary for the simple fact that both left wing and right

Re: [CTRL] PI INCOME TAXES ARE VOLUNTARY.doc WE HOPE- RON W

2000-05-05 Thread tenebroust
Right off the bat let me say that I hate the IRS and support any efforts to oppose them and the oppressive taxation we live under, as well as their holier than thou attitude, and "presumed guilty" mindset. Having said that though this case is twaddle and will probably be thrown out as a

Re: [CTRL] Poll: Do you feel safe/secure in your home after Elian raid? (fwd)

2000-05-07 Thread tenebroust
Personally, No. BUT, there is no correlation, since I didn't feel safe or secure in my home before the raid either. On Sat, 06 May 2000, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: From: http://www.wnd.com (left column) Do you feel safe, secure in your home after Elian raid? Yes9.61 %

Re: [CTRL] Robot Rights.

2000-05-07 Thread tenebroust
GOD! You are SO RIGHT! Work is the BIGGEST conspiracy against us that was ever invented. On Sat, 06 May 2000, nessie wrote: Work is not for people. Work is for robots. People shouldn't work. People should hang out, sing, dance, screw, tell stories, read, research and explore. IMHO

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Analyst warns of chemical and bioligical attacks

2000-05-07 Thread tenebroust
Weel, that male/female thing sounds like bull (but it may be out of context in this missive), but certainly we are alive by grace of bacteria since we rely on it to break down food in our intestines and for other life sustaining things as well. Without "good" bacteria we could not live. On

Re: [CTRL] Anti-depressants get into water system

2000-05-07 Thread tenebroust
No doubt the results of such a study will show that there is no danger, just like there is no danger from living too close to power lines, nuclear power plants, depleted uranium shells, or lead, or the additive that is/was in gasoline. Estrogen like compounds in the water supply are having a

Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-10 Thread tenebroust
of problematic users. (Tenebroust comments indented like this) Indeed, but no one in office wants to actually look to solve problems. When there are problems it gives them a reason to demand more money and to stay in office longer "to fix things" 2 Eliminate the criminal market place

Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-11 Thread tenebroust
Weel, Bill, glad to hear that you are vocal for legalization. I favor the widespread availability of drugs of every kind, as long as people are able to make informed decisions about the effects such things have on the body and are not forced to partake or bombarded with propaganda from the

Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-14 Thread tenebroust
This may all be well and good, since I don't deny that Bush is easily bought and will peddle his influence where it can get him some money. BUT, this "outcry" over Ephedrine is another example of the FDA's lack of objectivity and science and why they should not be in charge of what we put in

Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-14 Thread tenebroust
You are absolutely right, of course, regarding the uses of information for propaganda. I am in favor of people being allowed to smoke as well, and to drink to their hearts content. Anyway, it is usually the "Nazi" abolitionists who quote numbers to stir up response, especially when you can

Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-15 Thread tenebroust
Great article Nessie, and you make a good point, which explains why drugs are not legal now and probably won't be for a while. It would be a matter of economics if the holders of the patents (if there were such a thing) were the Nazi ex-patriots and our own deep black intelligence agencies,

Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs

2000-05-15 Thread tenebroust
Another excellent point. As it does seem obvious that the "controllers" wish to control all aspects of our lives, including one's attempt at spiritual advancement and one's seeking after the numinous and the pursuit of happiness. Drugging us to death with "legal" drugs and forcing us to toe

Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-15 Thread tenebroust
Yes, you are correct on both accounts but the point was that the blanket banning of Ephedrine is NOT warranted. On Mon, 15 May 2000, William Shannon wrote: In a message dated 5/14/00 8:53:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not aware of any adverse event report

Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-16 Thread tenebroust
a probable meth lab caught on fire across the street where I lived. Steeve On 15 May 00, at 20:52, tenebroust wrote: Yes, you are correct on both accounts but the point was that the blanket banning of Ephedrine is NOT

Re: [CTRL] The Omega Agency

2000-05-16 Thread tenebroust
Of course, I thought this sounded reasonable and I thought it highly interesting UNTIL the "alien races" were mentioned. Well, another grang guignol conspiracy bites the dust for its connection to the whole bogus alien BS. On Tue, 16 May 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: The reason why the woman

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-17 Thread tenebroust
e periodic fly-overs. AKE - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine I am aware of this, and they also limit the sale of cough medicine that contains Dextr

Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY

2000-05-17 Thread tenebroust
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What in the world is going on? Last night I ran into another CTRL email that froze my email. I had to go into mailstart and get rid of it after I identified it. I didn't note the name, but now, tonight a

Re: [CTRL] Email Freezing on CTRL Emails ONLY

2000-05-17 Thread tenebroust
Since this is a limited problem that does not apparently deal with the list as a whole I would also say to take it off list with you, the sender and your ISP e-mail reader. Thank you. List Moderator On Wed, 17 May 2000, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: From: "Jim Condit Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Paragon Publications

2000-05-17 Thread tenebroust
Well, well. Take it easy, T. Casey Brennan, the self proclaimed shooter of JFK posts rather infrequently here so don't be too alarmed at his mailings, just be circumspect as to what you open etc. On Wed, 17 May 2000, Tenorlove wrote: Sending 1 MB + attachments to a mail list is in really

[CTRL] E-Mail FREEZE-UPS. . .FOR ALL

2000-05-17 Thread tenebroust
This sounds like it is a mail reader problem or something to do with your ISP. IF, however it starts to spread and others start ohave a problem with it then please let us know about it, otherwise please try to handle this off-list, okay? On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mark McHugh wrote: Ynr Chyldz

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Bush And Ephedrine

2000-05-19 Thread tenebroust
You are quite correct. In the age where they can scan your home and not need a warrant, and can use "dynamic entry" on a home without presdenting a warrant or giving the occupant the ability to comply, and where they will coerce you to allow them to search etc., privacy is indeed dead and has

Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2

2000-05-20 Thread tenebroust
This is just another issue which is polarized with the Hegelian Dialectic which is the template for societal control in effect, as well as another expression of wrong thinking "dualism" in that there does not HAVE TO BE a dichotomy between the two, but one is put there, and that is the focus.

[CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. . . WAS:Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust
There is absolutely no "hard" evidence of extraterrestrial visitation of the Earth. There is quite a lot of anecdote, and supposition however. I would also venture to say that there is NO evidence of ANY kind, "hard" or otherwise, but I won't try to press that point. Interpretation and

Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust
If that constitutes the "Best Evidence" then this position truly cannot be supported scientifically. Consider that we have NO verified sample of anything "not of this Earth". We have no verified "alien technology". We have no verified, and or analyzed example of "extraterrestrial life

Re: [CTRL] ignorant taxpayers fund Al Gore's Red Connections

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust
Let me say this, in response to what is copied below. FIRST, Bush's old man and his family before him, for a long time has had shady and sneaky relations with the Chinese, which involve, no doubt, drug money (through Opium, then Heroin), as well as other "business ventures" I am sure. THUS,

Re: [CTRL] Chirac: Water may no longer be free.

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust
I pay for water, most people pay for water, unless you have a well and pump it yourself. Why is it that an absolute necessity of life has to cost something? For that matter why is it that food is not free too? For the same reasons, I suppose, that we are all required to work and pay for the

Re: [CTRL] 'the yellow-fringed flag'

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust
This issue is one that does cause me to think and has been a key issue amongst separatist groups and fringe people, as well as militias and "free-men". This, is just another issue like the idea that the IRS and the tax laws are not valid and can be ignored. It is all well and good until you

Re: [CTRL] Secret Search Bill

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust
Another example of outrageous forfeiture of rights by our so-called Justice Department. Of course anything is justified in the government's attempt to "curb gun violence" and to combat the war on (some) drugs. We should be thankful they are working so hard to protect us. Remember if you

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [The Grip] Fwd: Homosexuals commit 55% of child molestations.]

2000-05-22 Thread tenebroust
First off, I am not gay, and I don't particularly like the lifestyle that some in the gay community live, or the radical message that some gay people have, ie; "You MUST accept us, and we will get in your face until you do". HOWEVER, I find these numbers hard to believe and I find the idea of

Re: [CTRL] [endsecrecy] Paranoia in the Sunday Sections

2000-05-22 Thread tenebroust
Right you are. Doesn't it strike some as odd that when people are discussing so-called conspiracy theories the "mainstream media" ALWAYS lump the plausible theories along with the totally bullshit ones? It shouldn't come as no surprise since their aim is to show that ALL conspiracy theories

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-22 Thread tenebroust
Your points as copied below are quite good ones and deserve to be answered. You are right when you say that it is not valid to assume that there IS NO evidence just because I (or you) have never seen or examined it. (Though it may be logical to INFER it, unless you would argue that all of

Re: [CTRL] Clark Kent

2000-05-22 Thread tenebroust
It is completely valid to assert that the Nazi's run the show (or at least they are trying to run the show). The ideology behind Nazism goes back further than Hitler and continued long after he was gone. The ideology permeates the mindset of the super rich and the elites who are the powers

Re: [CTRL] Heston to Gore: Take My Gun 'From My Cold, Dead Hands'

2000-05-22 Thread tenebroust
Perhaps the correct response to the unfortunate massacre that you mention below would be to OUTLAW the military and the Masons, thus they would not be able to do such things. On Mon, 22 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote: hi, A picture of 'patriot heston' clutching an old rifle held aloft

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [The Grip] Fwd: Homosexuals commit 55% of child molestations.

2000-05-22 Thread tenebroust
Nessie, you are right when you say that how others live their lives is their own business, and I completely agree with you. I think what ANY two consenting adults do with themselves is perfectly okay, and support their right to do so. That does not mean I have to agree with it. As far as

Re: [CTRL] Clark Kent

2000-05-23 Thread tenebroust
On Mon, 22 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote: I think you go a little off the deep end in some of what you say here regarding the occult connections to this whole idea, BUT would also say that there definitely IS an occult connection involved, I just don't believe there is anything to it in

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-24 Thread tenebroust
I don't think this issue is being singled out. J2 merely points out that it is up to those who make claims to offer support of them and not up to those who assert the negative to prove the negative. Of course you also have the option of proposing something and then decline further comment or

Re: [CTRL] state of CTRL list

2000-05-24 Thread tenebroust
Andrew, I don't understand exactly what it is that you are getting at here. Are you saying you are disatisfied with the list because we are not discussing issues that you believe are important? If that is the case then please post away, I would be happy to hear what you have to say.

Re: [CTRL] Florida legislation to outlaw naturopathy (fwd)

2000-05-25 Thread tenebroust
First "they" make natural substances illegal and label them BAD drugs (marijuana, cocaine, etc.). Then you get a bunch of pharmaceutical companies together and they pay off the doctors with big bucks to promote synthetic deadly chemicals "they" call THERAPEUTIC. Then the Feds outlaw any

[CTRL] Posting limits and comments thereon

2000-05-25 Thread tenebroust
Kris has stated that Mr. Spitzer has been added as an editor and thus has extra posting abilities, so it is not a case of someone getting "special" treatment per se. Kris, a while back, due to more responsibilities that he has undertaken, asked if anyone would like to co-edit the list so that

Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?

2000-05-25 Thread tenebroust
I have seen these things as well. A strange accumulation of crosshatching which is unusual. I have never seen a plane make them and have never seen a plane "spraying" anything. That does not mean it is not happening, but I have no proof of it. I also have read articles in "mainstream"

Re: [CTRL] Buchanan Responds To PNTR Vote: 'Thank God I Am Not A Republican'

2000-05-25 Thread tenebroust
Again I say to all you Buchanan supporters; do you REALLY think things would be different if he was President. Let us not forget that it was congress who approved this shiboleth (and I am no fan of Red China let me tell you). Do all you Buchananites really think that he would be able to

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-26 Thread tenebroust
Samantha, there have been "sightings" of all kinds throughout history, it is you, and others of similar mindset (those who are inclined to believe in alien visitation, not that there is anything wrong with that) who classify these things as UFO's flown by aliens, with not one lick of evidence

Re: [CTRL] The Framing of Patsy Ramsey

2000-05-26 Thread tenebroust
See my earlier post for more comments on UFO's and what they might be. Samantha, I am not here to ridicule and demean anyone. I am all for people expressing their opinions on this list and offering what evidence they have, or wish to offer in support of it. But if I or anyone else thinks it

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-26 Thread tenebroust
This is all well and good. Speculation and examination of possibilities is a good thing. If you believe that the evidence that is available supports your idea that (some) UFO's (as I'm sure even you die hard ET believers will admit that some UFO's fall into other categories, like secret

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence. . .TONE DOWN PERSONAL ATTACKS

2000-05-27 Thread tenebroust
J2, you know I agree with you about evidence and proof and that calling evidence or information that is unsatisfactory BULLSHIT is quite aright, BUT please tone down your personal comments towards Andrew and Samantha. We can all get a lot further if we don't attack each other, even by

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-27 Thread tenebroust
I think the point is missed here Andrew. We both DON'T know that ET's exist, (UFO's exist absolutely) we do both know that China exists, thus there is a conflict and this argument does not hold water. What evidence is there that UFO's (and I mean any of them) are physical craft, being

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-27 Thread tenebroust
This post is a good example of fair treatment and good natured back and forth dialogue without the personal affronts. Incidentally I agree with Nessie and say PLEASE tell us what you have, and point us to the references that you have intrigued us with in this post! I would also point out that

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-27 Thread tenebroust
In this quote below from the Belgian report summary posted by Alfred there is stated that various phenomena that are "non-scientific" are dismissed. Why is this? What criteria did they use to decide this? It closes down a whole avenue of research in favor of the idea of "aliens". This does

Re: [CTRL] Mike and attacks on long standing members

2000-05-01 Thread tenebroust
Yes indeed, good comments from both of you Jeff and Chris. I tend to think this is just some people hell bent on exposing their grand ideas to the world and when someone disagrees with them they get a little bent out of shape and then the posts just have one place to go, down the sewer pipe.

Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .

2000-05-28 Thread tenebroust
On Sat, 27 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote: At 07:39 PM 27, 05, , 2000 -0700, you wrote: I think the point is missed here Andrew. We both DON'T know that ET's exist, (UFO's exist absolutely) we do both know that China exists, thus there is a conflict and this argument does not hold water.

[CTRL] UFO's, ET's, Aliens, Best evidence?

2000-05-28 Thread tenebroust
It seems that this discussion is going nowhere as some refuse to budge on their BELIEFS in the reality of ET driven physical craft. I noted how the "best evidence" report just seemed to skip over the possibility of paranormal explanations which are certainly, in my book, a real possibility.

Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Because this syndrome is simply displaced religiosity. J2 This is the whole point. There are people on this list and in the wide world who BELIEVE in "aliens" so strongly that it is a religious thing for them. This is why they will not yield

Re: [CTRL] UFO should not necessarily imply ET ?

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: DIG alfred webre wrote: In a message dated 00-05-28 14:15:44 EDT, you write: No denial going on here. Just a request for the 'evidence' that is claimed to exist, and which I notice YOU fail to provide, resorting instead to personal

Re: [CTRL] !!SENATE APPROVES SEARCHES/SEIZURES WITHOUT WARRANTS!!

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
No surprise here. The "War on (some) drugs" does serve as a good focus for decreasing personal liberty and autonomy. Most people just don't give a shit though, so don't be surprised when they break into your home and read your e-mail and keep your naughty pictures. The constitutional rights

Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
There is absolutely NOTHING within any of the information posted as "evidence" for aliens that proves that there are aliens. The best it does is give good evidence for the existence of UFO's and the fact that they are damned mysterious and MIGHT have an extraterrestrial origin. There is

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
All of which offer excellent (if anecdotal) evidence for the EXISTENCE OF UFO'S, not one bit of evidence that they are of extraterrestrial origin or that there are any aliens aboard them. I thought we could all agree that UFO's are a real phenomenon. At least I don't need convincing that

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar mythology may, indeed, have been faked. But let us set that aside for a minute and presume that their mythology is correct how does that offer proof that any UFO's that are seen are extraterrestrial craft being piloted by aliens from

Re: [CTRL] Tesla Marconi

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
The supposed "secret city" in South America has fascinated me for some time. Combine that with the Nazi bases of operation down there and you get a grim scenario for the fourth reich. How about the Marconi city being the origin of UFO's? AND, what about those Marconi scientists offed in

Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens

2000-06-01 Thread tenebroust
Samantha, and other ETHers: Oh, dear. I seem to have miffed a few people with the assertion that the belief in aliens traveling in UFO's is akin to religion. It was not my intention to demean anyone or "pidgeon-hole" them. Frankly, since I have already stated that it is POSSIBLE that some

Re: [CTRL] #1 - WHAT ARE UFOs?

2000-06-01 Thread tenebroust
Samantha: I don't put words in your mouth you do well enough yourself. Your contention all along has been that there is evidence which proves that UFO's are of ET origin, not that there is evidence which MIGHT be proof of that, but that the evidence is proof that UFO's are of ET origin. I

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread tenebroust
EL SPITZER wrote: On Wed, 31 May 2000, tenebroust wrote: First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar mythology may, indeed, have been faked. That's crap. beyond Earth? Even if the Dogon record actual alien visitation, which I doubt, it does nothing to support the

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