[CTRL] Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2001
-Caveat Lector- Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2001 Search for Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2001 at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html. 107th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 31 To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES January 3, 2001 Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland (for himself, Mr. STEARNS, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mr. HALL of Texas, Mr. SCHAFFER, Mr. HILLEARY, Mr. CALLAHAN, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mrs. EMERSON, Mr. NETHERCUTT, Mr. BARCIA, Mr. STUMP, and Mr. SIMPSON) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary A BILL To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2001'. SEC. 2. FINDINGS. The Congress finds the following: (1) Police cannot protect, and are not legally liable for failing to protect, individual citizens, as evidenced by the following: (A) The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: `[C]ourts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.'. (B) Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities. (C) The United States Department of Justice found that, in 1989, there were 168,881 crimes of violence for which police had not responded within 1 hour. (D) Currently, there are about 150,000 police officers on duty at any one time. (2) Citizens frequently must use firearms to defend themselves, as evidenced by the following: (A) Every year, more than 2,400,000 people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals--or more than 6,500 people a day. This means that, each year, firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. (B) Of the 2,400,000 self-defense cases, more than 192,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse. (C) Of the 2,400,000 times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, 92 percent merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, does a citizen kill or wound his or her attacker. (3) Law-abiding citizens, seeking only to provide for their families' defense, are routinely prosecuted for brandishing or using a firearm in self- defense. For example: (A) In 1986, Don Bennett of Oak Park, Illinois, was shot at by 2 men who had just stolen $1,200 in cash and jewelry from his suburban Chicago service station. The police arrested Bennett for violating Oak Park's handgun ban. The police never caught the actual criminals. (B) Ronald Biggs, a resident of Goldsboro, North Carolina, was arrested for shooting an intruder in 1990. Four men broke into Biggs' residence one night, ransacked the home and then assaulted him with a baseball bat. When Biggs attempted to escape through the back door, the group chased him and Biggs turned and shot one of the assailants in the stomach. Biggs was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon--a felony. His assailants were charged with misdemeanors. (C) Don Campbell of Port Huron, Michigan, was arrested, jailed, and criminally charged after he shot a criminal assailant in 1991. The thief had broken into Campbell's store and attacked him. The prosecutor plea-bargained with the assailant and planned to use him to testify against Campbell for felonious use of a firearm. Only after intense community pressure did the prosecutor finally drop the charges. (4) The courts have granted immunity from prosecution to police officers who use firearms in the line of duty. Similarly, law-abiding citizens who use firearms to protect themselves, their families, and their homes against violent felons should not be subject to lawsuits by the violent felons who sought to victimize them. SEC. 3. RIGHT TO OBTAIN FIREARMS FOR SECURITY, AND TO USE FIREARMS IN DEFENSE OF SELF, FAMILY, OR HOME; ENFORCEMENT. (a) REAFFIRMATION OF RIGHT- A person not prohibited from receiving a firearm by Section 922(g) of title 18, United States Code, shall have the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms-- (1) in defense of self or family against a reasonably perceived threat of imminent and
Re: [CTRL] Body Piercing Teen Killed by Magnet...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/12/01 12:17:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hell, anyone stupid to put over fourteen pounds of stainless steel under his skin deserves to die Stainless steel is not affected by magnets. These are obviously someone's poor attempt at humor. This pumpkin site must be a wannabe onion site. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Caps on Social Security, No Caps on Energy Prices
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/11/01 10:41:46 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The age at which retirees can claim their full Social Security benefit is already scheduled to rise gradually from 65 to 67 over the next several decades. The last update I received from Social Security stated that I cannot collect full benefits until I am 70 years old, if I'm still alive. What are they going to change it to 80 years old? Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 12:29:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Innocence and purity are loaded terms. They imply that to be sexually aware, let alone active, means one is guilty and impure. This is a religious doctrine and has no business being taught in public school. How DARE they use MY tax money to teach THIER religion? Cock sucking and butt fucking between two or more males are what homosexuals consider to be normal. This is a religious doctrine and has no business being taught in public schools. How DARE they use My tax money to teach THEIR religion! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 3:23:26 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: silliness... cock sucking, buttfucking or whatever are things that hetrosexual women consider normal too (thank the lord) - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect? Cock sucking and butt fucking between two or more males are what homosexuals consider to be normal. Apparently you cannot read for shit. I stated these acts are between men (and I use the term men loosely). I have never met a woman who bends over willingly, that is something that is promoted in xxx-rated movies, which do not represent real people. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Well, what did they expect?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/4/01 7:18:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well obviously you have very limited hands-on experience in this arena... I have no experience in this area and have no desire to have a 'backdoor' experience. It is definitely NOT solely in xxx-rated movies that women 'bend over willingly' (actually one does NOT have to bend over)...you have my condolences that this has been your personal experience I am not from California or the northern States where that sort of thing may be common place. I do not have a 'prison' fantasy. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FN: Second-Hand Smokescreens
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/1/01 8:12:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But of the 13 studies reviewed, 7 reported no link between secondhand smoke and lung cancer. Given the statistical nature of these studies, this split in results is precisely what one would expect if no true link existed. I don't think you can make a conclusion like the above based on the number of studies finding a connection vs. no connection. The fact that any of the studies found a connection is significant. Some of the studies may simply not have been sensitive enough to detect a connection. What are you an apologist for the World Health Org.? Strange that you would use the paragraph that stated over 50% of the studies found no connection between second hand smoke and lung cancer instead of the paragraph that stated 80% of studies found no connection ... it's not bad science, it's crooked science to advance the erosion of rights. You need to read that article again. The WHO lied plain and simple. Second hand smoke does not cause SIDS, or heart attacks and probably doesn't have a damn thing to do with lung cancer either. You can't trust anything put out by a World government agency or a UN agency, they have ulterior motives and don't care about your heath or well being. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Illegal aliens may pay less for college
-Caveat Lector- The bill, introduced in the House of Representatives by Reps. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.) and Chris Cannon (R-Utah), would provide relief only for students under 21 who have lived in America more than five years, and who are currently in the country. This sure sounds like rewarding criminals for not being caught for five years. This also sounds like these politicians are trying to get the hispanic voters to re-elect them to office. The legislation also would give states the right to decide whom it charges for in-state tuition, which could pave the way for illegal immigrants to get discounts on college costs. Illegal immigrants shouldn't have the right to anything, they are illegal, they are criminals leaching off our society. It's hard to conceive of another country where people can come illegally and have all other taxpayers footing their bill, said Arnold Steinberg, chief strategist with the California Civil Rights Initiative. Only in this land could something so stupid actually happen. Berman and Roybal-Allard refused to speak with Fox News. But Berman said in a statement that the bill is designed for those not eligible for aid and who cannot afford out-of-state tuition. Cowards spouting bullshit. We all suffer when good students in our communities are prevented from completing their education and realizing their potential, he said. We all suffer when they use our tax dollars to support people who don't belong in this country. Steinberg said Americans will, in effect, subsidize the education of illegal immigrants, even when struggling to finance the education of their own children. What it really means is that all distinctions should disappear and the whole idea of citizenship has lost its worth and value, he said. Got that right. Why should my tax dollars be used to third world people dominion over my children. In his statement, Berman said the law would help the children of those who crossed the border, who he said had no choice but to come with their parents. This is not an amnesty, he said. Amnesty is for people who have done something wrong. These kids had no choice. Propaganda.My children have done nothing wrong, but this asshole wants to give them less opportunities than someone who is in the country illegally. If they register for college as an illegal immigrant they should be deported right then and there. Regards, Bob Stokes The bill, introduced May 21, has been assigned to the House Judiciary Committee and the Committee on Education and the Workforce. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Housing Now: Bill would label jails low-income housing
-Caveat Lector- I guess next they will consider military barracks to be low income housing since in some cases the room a military member is forced to live in is smaller than the room area allotted to people in prisons. I have been retired for 9 years, hopefully conditions in the barracks have improved. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FoxNews: Repubs Watch as California's Dem 'Titanic' Sinks inEnergy...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/15/01 11:31:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't that the general idea? The Republicans have been trashing California for the last six or seven years. They hate California being so heavily Democrat, and they are making sure to punish the state as much as they possibly can. That's just the kind of vindictive measures that repressive political groups use. You'll notice that the good old boys in Texas are making a packet. Prudy Seems to me this just may be a very good example of Democratic control over the government. Because the Democrats were so involved with supposed social problems of the minorities they were too busy to build more electric generating plants ... probably figuring that the rest of the country would bail them out if conditions became undesirable. I lived in Santa Clara for four months last year and I know from personal experience that they definitely collect enough taxes to keep the infrastructure in good shape (high sales tax and high State income tax). Now we can see if the Democrats can dig themselves out of the hole they've dug on their own, or if they will have to force the rest of the country to fill the gap with their dollars instead of California standing on it's own two feet. You would think they would be more forward looking and would have had zipperboy bail them out before he left office. You would also think they would take advantage of the very low interest rates and start building what they need right now instead of just taking about how to handle their manufactured crisis. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] POLL: Do you agree with the court's decision? - The U.S. Supreme ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/15/01 10:55:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that California cannabis clubs may not legally distribute marijuana as a medical necessity. Do you agree with the court's decision? I think most people on this list would agree that this is a right that should be reserved to the individual State or the people. The Federal government should not have any say in this matter. To deny people a drug that will help them get through an illness is cruel and unusual punishment. The question should be ~ Who thinks the Supreme Court was correct in their decision and what do they use as a basis for their opinion. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How the FBI lost the evidence
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/15/01 12:19:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The FBI is covering something up. They never worried about losing documentation in the past. They are looking for something or trying to keep others from looking for something. They don't care about McVeigh or the rest of us either for that matter. Prudy You've got that right; they don't care about anyone but themselves. What are they hiding. If they are creating a dog and pony show to distact the public ... what do they have up their sleeves, what is going on behind the scenes, must be something bigger than OKC. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Professor Says JFK Planned UFO Disclosure
that we have found the true destiny of the people of this great land: To lead the world into a glorious future. In the coming days, weeks and months, you will learn more about these visitors, why they are here and why our leaders have kept their presence a secret from you for so long. I ask you to look to the future not with timidity but with courage. Because we can achieve in our time the ancient vision of peace on Earth and prosperity for all humankind. God bless you. Are these the words that were written on the note cards, or more of the professor's psychic insights? If Kennedy found this UFO evidence back in the early 1960s how come no one else has found the same information he found and wouldn't he have been smart enough to copy the evidence and leave it with his brothers, trusted aides or other confidants? Looks to me like this professor is just promoting his book and out to make a buck. It would be interesting if he did have irrefutable proof of what he is proposing. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smart Guns
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/3/01 5:51:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SPRINGFIELD -- Smith Wesson is reportedly in line for a $2.8 million federal grant to develop a smart handgun that can be fired only by an authorized user. The Union-News in Springfield reported Wednesday that the Bush administration has agreed to provide the money after personal lobbying by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and U.S. Rep. Richard Neal, D-Mass. The money had been promised by the Clinton administration as part of the Springfield gun maker's agreement last year to install safety locks on all of its guns and to adopt other safety features and marketing changes. In return, the gun maker was dropped from some federal lawsuits. Following the agreement, other gun makers and gun rights supporters accused Smith Wesson of selling out. The company said its sales were cut in half and last fall it laid off 125 workers. I don't know anyone who wants to buy a SW weapon. If they didn't get the payoff money from the government they would be having a going out of business sale soon. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sick, Psychotic F**ks
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01-04-29 09:52:38 EDT, June writes: I found it interesting how the reports out of the US base in England in the 1980s (I think the base is called Rendlesham or Randlesham?) were debunked...this was a base where jets armed with nuclear warheads were kept, yet the debunkers insisted that all of the military personnel who experience UFO phenonenom over several nights (and there were quite a few) all either hallucinated or mistook a light on a lighthouse some miles away for a UFO... I have never seen what I knew was a UFO, however about five years ago early in the morning as the sun was rising there was an intense bright light in the sky over Cheyenne mountain (NORAD) that was visible for over an hour. When I first started driving home I didn't see it, then it suddenly appeared and no sooner than it appeared the radio was announcing that it was an 8ft mylar weather balloon. They said the reason it was so bright was because the sun was reflecting off it. It was very high in the sky (higher than a hot air balloon) and appeared to be about the size of a hot air balloon. I drove from north to east and it was bright the whole time. The sun rises almost from the southeast in winter, so it would seem to me that the sun should not have been reflecting off it the whole time. I never saw another occurance of this and if it was a weather balloon you would think I would have seen this many times in the past few years. One more thing. In the late fifties, early sixties my Uncle was the 17th Vice President for McDonald aircraft in St. Louis. Our family went for a visitsometime around 1960-61. I vividly remember than when my Father asked my Uncle if he knew anything about UFO sightings; he went from being very comfortable and light-hearted to being very terse and stiff. He commented No Comment as he went from slouching comfortably in his easy chair to almost sitting at attention. His body language and tone of voice told my Father and the rest of the family to drop the subject. There is no doubt in my mind that something is going on, what, I don't know and can only speculate, but obviously here was a man working for a civilian aircraft manufacturing company that knew something, but wasn't allowed to talk about it. I know something is going on just the Kris knows everything isn't as it seems by talking with his Father. I wonder how many other people know little bits and pieces of things that, when put together may answer some questions, or, at least, provide a starting point for research. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Don't buy gas from Mobil or Exxon
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01-04-26 01:16:57 EDT, you write: Here's the idea - For the rest of this year, don't purchase gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling, they should be inclined to reduce their prices-and if they reduce their prices the other companies will too. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of users. But it's doable! One problem here. How do we know which cheap gas establishments actually sell Mobil or Exxon gas? For instance who supplies 7-11 with their gas? Not to mention other corner gas stations and Mom Pop stores. The weather is warmer now and I'm riding my bike more often to the corner grocers and to work as well, but it's just too cold in the winter here in Colorado. I have to agree that it is a good idea, especially since I read an article just a few days ago that stated Exxon/Mobile were experiencing record profits. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Police Powers
-Caveat Lector- Think about what this means. The police have the authority to stop you for any violation real or imagined and can then take you to court/jail. The Gestapo is here, but maybe I'm just paranoid. Regards, Bob Stokes Supreme Court Allows Minor Traffic Violation Arrests By ANNE GEARAN .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (April 24) - Clarifying the extent of police power in roadside stops, the Supreme Court held that officers can arrest and handcuff people even for minor offenses punishable by a fine. The justices ruled against a driver who was arrested and handcuffed for failing to wear a seat belt. Such arrests do not violate the constitutional protection against unreasonable search, the court declared Monday. In the 5-4 ruling, which could affect anyone who drives a car, the justices said such an arrest does not violate the Constitution's Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable seizures. Police generally can arrest anyone they see breaking the law, the court said as it barred a Texas woman from suing the officer who handcuffed her and took her to jail. The Fourth Amendment protects ``the right of the people to be secure ... against unreasonable searches and seizures.'' A lower court had ruled that Gail Atwater could not sue over her arrest because the officer did not violate her constitutional rights. Atwater was driving her two children home from soccer practice in 1997 in Lago Vista, Texas, when she was stopped by a police officer who had noticed the three were not wearing seat belts. Texas law allows police to make arrests for routine traffic violations, except for speeding. The officer arrested Atwater, handcuffed her hands behind her back and took her to the city police station. A friend looked after her children and her pickup truck was towed away. Atwater's mug shot was taken and she was released after posting bond. She later pleaded no contest to the seat belt offense and paid the maximum $50 fine. Atwater and her husband, Michael Haas, sued the city and the police officer, saying the arrest violated her constitutional rights. The high court majority rejected her argument that police should not have arrested her for a crime that would carry no jail time. ``The arrest and booking were inconvenient to Atwater, but not so extraordinary as to violate the Fourth Amendment,'' Justice David H. Souter wrote for the majority. Souter was joined by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer dissented. A lower federal judge had thrown out Atwater's lawsuit. A three-judge appellate court reinstated it, but the full 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled she could not sue. The appeals court said the arrest was reasonable because the officer had reason to believe Atwater violated the law and the arrest was not carried out in an ``extraordinary manner.'' The states have widely varying policies on whether police can arrest people for minor offenses. Some states allow officers to arrest people for offenses punishable only by a fine, while others prohibit it. Some states let officers arrest someone they witness committing a misdemeanor offense only if the offense is considered a breach of peace. During arguments at the Supreme Court last December, Atwater's lawyer said the Fourth Amendment restricts the use of arrest for minor offenses. The case would be different if someone were stopped for drunken or reckless driving, which could cause danger for others on the road if they were released, her lawyer said. O'Connor, writing for the minority, said Atwater's arrest was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment. It does not make sense for the majority to say both that Atwater's arrest served no state purpose and also to say that it passed constitutional muster, O'Connor wrote. ``Because the court's position is inconsistent with the explicit guarantee of the Fourth Amendment, I dissent,'' she wrote. The city's lawyer had argued that police are allowed to make an arrest if they witness someone violating the law. Police often don't have enough information to know if someone's actions are a misdemeanor or felony, the lawyer said. The case is Atwater v. Lago Vista, 99-1408. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil
Re: [CTRL] Wahdya do?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/1/01 6:13:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You didn't really grasp the article did you? The point is that guns save more lives, stop more crimes than is reported. tell me why people need guns to protect themselves? answer cause there are so many fricking guns in the public domain in america, that's why. if there wasn't such a threat from firearms then people wouldn't need to defend themselves from guns. Murderers, robbers, rapists and other assorted criminals are going to acquire guns, if not they will use a knife, baseball bat, lead pipe -- whatever they can find to use as a weapon. If I have a gun, then I am at least equally if not better armed than the criminal. Criminals in the UK do not use guns? i mean.. they won't protect you from the state's machinations... only from other little people with guns... Guns in the hands of citizens is the reason why we are not part of the British empire. Should the government here overstep their bounds an armed citizenry has options that an unarmed citizenry does not have. If the citizens of Germany in the thirties did have the right to keep and bear arms there might not have been a World War 2. has america replaced the cold war's arms race with an internal one? might be a good thing for the rest of the world actually. The government is not promoting an arms race among citizens. The government is promoting disarmament of citizens so only the criminals and government agencies will be armed -- that is criminal. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anyone have any articles on the Federal Reserve System?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/28/01 5:11:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Stopforth, Jamie wrote: I'm doing some research and would like any info anyone has on it. Thanks, Jamie The CTRL archives have many articles that were posted over the last four years. I would venture to say that you'll find more than fifty references. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Unmarked military vehicles
-Caveat Lector- I don't know my way around South Carolina very well, but there are several military bases there. Fort Jackson is an Army training base and it also supports some sort of communications unit that is attached to a Special Forces mission. As I remember it was also a very large garrison. Charleston also has a Naval Station as well as a rather large Air Force base that has a Wing there. I think the Navy also has a shipyard there for repair of ships and subs. Shaw AFB is located in Sumter and it used to have a large tactical mission with a large communications unit, but I've been out of the USAF since '92 and that may have changed ... as I remember that base was part of Tri-Tac. It was also HQ for 9th Air Force and had at least one fighter Wing. There is also a Marine Air Station in Beaufort. The only time I ever drove an unmarked vehicle (during my twenty years) was in Germany during Desert Shield/Storm and that was only to carry test equipment, not radio communications gear. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
. J2 wrote: "This is a very important point. We, as American citizens can do much to prevent the misery our economic and political systems are foisting upon the rest of the world. CONTROL YOUR ELITES!" Exactly how do you propose to control the government elites? We have been shown that both the Democrats and Republicans fight over control of voting. Your vote probably doesn't count. I know from personal experience that writing Senators and Congressmen don't do much except waste resources. The second amendment is the most important part of the Constitution for the only defense against and armed force is a bigger armed force and the armed citizens of this country outnumber the military in overwhelming numbers at this time. Ridiculous. But Darwin has a way of dealing with people afflicted with ideological brain damage. Ridiculous you say? Check the numbers there are only about 5 million active duty people in the armed forces, add to that the FBI, CIA, ATF and other alphabet agencies and maybe you have 8 million of which many will desert rather than fire on US residents. How many gun owners do you have ... figures vary from 40 million to 170 million. The military and paramilitary forces would not have a chance against this armed force with odds of 5 to 1, or 17 to 1. And if you think the military has the edge with aircraft, machine guns, etc., just remember that the military had the North Vietnamese outgunned, but lost that war. As I remember Darwin had something to say about natural selection and survival of the fittest. If I have a gun and my enemy doesn't they are at a supreme disadvantage. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/3/01 9:39:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since it is safe and rational to assume that the ONLY military which used nuclear weapons to wipe out two entire cities for the purpose of propaganda does not really give a damn about human life, why are they pouring so much money into non-lethal weapons. You have a very warped view of history, but maybe that's the way our Statist government wants people to view WWII. Maybe they want to turn everyone into pacifists so we won't fight back when they try to enslave us totally. You seem to forget that the Japanese wiped out Pearl Harbor and murdered thousands of people both military and civilian. You seem to forget that we dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki telling the population to run for the hills because we were going to decimate their town if the Emperor didn't surrender. You also seem to forget the military is under civilian control; the President ordered the bombings. Just where do you get this hypothesis that the bombings of these two cities were propaganda? It was to prevent an invasion of Honshu which would have resulted in millions of deaths on both sides. Answer: To use domestically against civilians. All the more reason to be armed, to protect against such tyranny and governmental abuse, but if you have your way we will be disarmed and helpless. You should learn that fabian socialism/communism/fascism's goals includes disarming of citizens so they will be helpless against the "Mother" State. Government is not your friend. Government is raw force that needs to be controlled, not set free to run amuck. Answer: To sell the technology to other countries for the same purpose. If we stop these weapons from being used successfully here, maybe other countries wouldn't want to buy these weapons to use against their own citizens. The second amendment is the most important part of the Constitution for the only defense against and armed force is a bigger armed force and the armed citizens of this country outnumber the military in overwhelming numbers at this time. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WARNING: US military developing non-lethal weapons.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/3/01 9:35:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nakano comments: A few historical facts. Franklin Roosevelt ran as the "peace candidate" in the 1940 election. He said: "I have said it before, and I say it again and againI am not about to send your sons to fight and die in another European war." The American People were strongly against the U.S. entering World War 2. True, FDR was a liar. Something dramatic and shocking was needed to turn public opinion around. In about June of 1941 Roosevelt halted U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Denial of a strategic resource) Japan has no oil of its own. They were getting about half of their imports from the U.S. when FDR cut off their supply. We did not attack Japan. It is not our fault that Japan has no oil. We are not obligated to service Japanese needs. That same summer or early fall, Roosevelt closed the Panama Canal to Japanese ships. The U.S. had guaranteed canal access to all nations, but FDR ignored that promise. FDR had no right to close the canal to Japan. The Congress ignored what was the right thing to do and let FDR have his way. The US built the canal; we should have some control over it's usage, but I see your point. In November of 1941, Roosevelt gave Japan an ultimatum to get their military forces out of Manchuria. I don't like FDR, however he was right that Japan had no right to invade China, Korea, etc. Just because Japan has few natural resources does not give it a right to invade other countries to steal their natural resources. Roosevelt was shoving and pushing Japandaring the Japanese to take a swing at us. They finally did on December 7th, 1941. Indeed it was a "day of infamy". 2,500 U.S. military personnel died in the attack on Pearl Harbor. They were sacrificed by Roosevelt in order to reverse public opinion about America entering the war. It worked. In 1 day, the American People went from 80 percent opposed to the warto demanding that the U.S. declare war. An entire generation of young American men lined up at the draft board offices to enlist. So much for the so-called "unprovoked sneak-attack". The fact is that we did not attack Japan. Of course the American public is going to want war against another country that attacked us. FDR wanted to get us in the European war, Japan was a backdoor to doing this, Why was Japan pissed off because we didn't sell them petroleum or allow them access to the Panama Canal ... could it be because they wanted these resources to enslave all of Asia? We did not attack Japan; Japan attacked the US. As for the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan. It was unnecessary. Nor would an invasion of Japan been necessary. The Japanese navy was on the bottom of the ocean. Every Japanese city of any consequence was in ruins. More people were killed in the conventional firebomb raids on Tokyo than were killed at either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. American naval and airpower had Japan in an inescapable stranglehold. Japan is an island nation lacking in many resources such as iron ore, coal, and oil. All we had to do was keep Japan encircled and wait. The surrender was inevitable. Instead, we became the only nation in history to use atomic weapons against another country. Truman ordered those bombs dropped on an already beatenand virtually defenseless people. The fact is, not a single japanese aircraft rose in the sky to challenge the Enola Gay B-29 that dropped the bomb. They were helpless and we bombed them anyway. What you say here has a lot of merit. It would have made more sense to starve them into surrender. However, the taking of Okinawa was no easy task and if as you say Japan was already defeated maybe we should not have invaded Okinawa and just let them surrender, but they did not surrender. I lived in Japan for over four years. The Japanese are much like people in the US, they don't like to give up in a fight. The only way to force Japan to surrender was to use the bomb or to invade the main island. They would have fought off the invasion to the best of their ability and it would have cost millions of lives on both sides. The Japanese would have fought the same as Americans would fight if our country was invaded. The only way the war would have ended would be to decimate Japan as much or more than Germany was decimated. I do see your point clearly, FDR railroaded the US into WW2. Japan overreacted to FDR's pushing and shoving by pulling a gun and we reacted in kind. I do not agree that Japan was utterly defeated. The bomb was probably the only way to make the Emperor surrender. Just like FDR, the emperor did not fight in the war and therefore he could be "tough" against any blockade, it is a different matter when citizens are being incinerated by the tens of thousands. I hope you can see my point.
[CTRL] Fwd: [JoeCherner-Announce]Deposit on Cig Butts
Maine is considering a creative way to deal with the problem of cigarette litter. If the details can be worked out, perhaps this will become a model for other states. Joe Maine Legislator Proposes Deposit on Cig Butts Friday, February 16 Lewiston, ME - State representative Joe Brooks wants to keep Maine clean by putting a 5-cent refundable deposit on cigarettes. He's introduced a bill that would increase the price of a pack of cigarettes by $1, or 5 cents a butt. Smokers could redeem their deposits by bringing butts in batches of 20 to recycling and redemption centers. Joseph W. Cherner, President SmokeFree Educational Services, Inc. a href="http://www.SmokefreeAir.org"http://www.SmokefreeAir.org/a "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead == Message Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe and/or search archives, go to: http://smokescreen.org/?JoeCherner-Announce and log in as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
[CTRL] [corp-focus] Blue Light Special at the Smithsonian
-Caveat Lector- Forwarded Message: Subj: [corp-focus] Blue Light Special at the Smithsonian Date: 2/16/01 11:31:51 PM Mountain Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Weissman) Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Blue Light Special at the Smithsonian By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman Lawrence Small has a great corporate pedigree. For 27 years, Small was a top executive with Citicorp/Citibank. In 1991, he became president of Fannie Mae, the bully on the housing finance market. Last year, he became Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution. He didn't bother resigning from the many corporate boards on which he sits today, including The Chubb Corp., Marriott International, Fannie Mae and Citicorp/Citibank. He's chairman of the financial advisory committee of TransResources International, the parent company of Haifa Chemical, an Israeli firm. We ran into Small this week at the Museum of American History. He had turned over the place to Kmart. Kmart and the Smithsonian had become "partners" in bringing to the public a traveling mobile museum featuring a exhibition titled "Wade in the Water: African-American Sacred Music Traditions 1871-2001." The mobile museum is a 48-foot, double expandable trailer, with giant red Kmart signs emblazoned on each side. The trailer will travel to Kmart stores, schools and elsewhere around the nation. At the auditorium, Small said that he was "delighted to work with Kmart on this important project" and thanked the retailing giant for its "generous donation." Brent Willis, Kmart's "chief marketing officer" made some syrupy statement about the benefits of diversity. We wanted to test Willis' corporate rhetoric against the reality at Kmart. So we asked Valerie Stokes, Kmart's vice president for human resources, and the company's highest ranking African-American, how many of the company's 300,000 employees were African American. Stokes said she didn't know. What about a ballpark number? Couldn't tell you. Are any of Kmart's more than 2,100 stores unionized? No. Have there been attempts to unionize? Couldn't tell you. We asked Small how much money Kmart kicked in to fund the project. "Don't know, you'll have to ask Kmart," Small said. We asked the numerous Kmart spokespeople at the event. Don't know. Can't tell you. We asked Small why he was turning over the Smithsonian to Kmart, a company with a poor reputation in America, in a corporate public relations effort to burnish its image? "It's not being used for corporate public relations," Small said. Then, in the very next breath, he asked, "Why shouldn't they get something out of it? They put up the money for it." Well, we wanted to know, is it okay for the Smithsonian, which gets two-thirds of its budget from the federal taxpayers, to partner with major American corporations? At this point, David Umansky, the Smithsonian's director of communications, cuts in. "I want you to understand something," Umansky says. "The Smithsonian is not a government institution. Write this down. Legislation was passed establishing the Smithsonian Institution as a trust instrumentality of the United States -- not the United States government -- but the United States. It is not a part of the executive branch, it is not a part of the legislative branch, it is not a part of the judiciary. It is a separate entity." Got that kids? The Smithsonian gets hundreds of millions of dollars from you and me, and they are before Congress begging for more taxpayer money -- and it is not a part of the government. Umansky wants to know: "Why are you so suspicious?" Well, there should be a stark dividing line between public and private institutions in America. You seem to be the only person in America who believes that, he says. That would come as a surprise to our readers. We have gotten hundreds of responses from readers who are unhappy with corporate control of public institutions, including when we wrote a couple of years ago about the oil companies taking over a part of the Smithsonian for their exhibit on the Alaska oil pipeline. You can get hundreds of people upset about the sunrise, Umansky counters. So, any public institution should be allowed to take private corporate money? If it's used properly, absolutely, Umansky says. For the Smithsonian, there is no problem. It's been 20 minutes now, and we still haven't gotten an answer to how much Kmart spent for this little public relations stunt. Umansky doesn't like the persistence. "Why are you being such an asshole?" he asks. Finally, Umansky gets us an answer on the funding -- Kmart put up $2 million in cash and in kind -- about $500,000 in cash. At a press conference at the National Press Club last year, Small was asked about undue corporate influence over the operations of the Smithsonian. "There is a difference between providing the funding and having an endorsement
Re: [CTRL] [JoeCherner-Announce]Deposit on Cig Butts
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/17/01 11:07:56 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, lets address the REAL PROBLEM which is toilet paper. Tons of used toilet paper are flushed into our waterways every day!! Obviously 5 cents a sheet is a reasonable deposit for toilet paper. Returning that used toilet paper to your local grocery is clearly the proper and socially responsible thing to do. When I saw this article it made me think what could happen if the ecology pukes got hold of this idea -- next thing you know there would be a "tax" on fast-food wrappings and your BigMac would cost an extra dime, not to mention all those soda cups, even the yuppies would have to pay more for their milk with coffee in it and their coffee with chocolate in it. Then if the gun confiscation pukes took this idea we would have deposits on shell casings and maybe even the bullet itself ... can't have all those lead projectiles laying arond everywhere. Maybe I should keep this to myself before it gives the anti-gunners some more ammunition -- so to speak. Regards, Bob Stokes I loved the toilet paper idea, it was a riot. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fighting Fast Track
We have returned from the World Social Forum in Porto
Allegre, Brazil. Very enlightening and empowering.
Now back to work:
Three items for your review and liberal cross-posting.
1) A description of the several components of a
national campaign against Fast Track, which tops the
big business "free trade" legislative agenda. We
prepared this for inclusion in a How-To book for
anti-globalization activists, but publication thereof
has been delayed, so we share it with you now.
2) An Action Alert from 1996, published in Public
Citizen magazine and recently rediscovered, containing
pithy and timeless advice for conducting district
office meetings with members of your congressional
delegation.
3) The obligatory recent news-clip, dateline Capitol
Hill, about the swirling trade policy controversy and
coporate myopia.
Mike Dolan
Global Trade Watch
Public Citizen
www.tradewatch.org
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Fast Track is in the House!
A National Legislative Campaign that Builds the
Movement
Its not as much fun as donning a protest puppet or
performing satirical street theater and its not as
dangerous or glamorous as risking arrest in direct
action, but grassroots lobbying is an important front
in our fight against the corporate trade agenda
(so-called free trade). It is also a lot of the
reason this movement has momentum.
One of our key fights is Fast Track, a mechanism that
presidents since Nixon have used to ram pro-corporate
trade agreements through the House and Senate.
Most folks in this movement know about NAFTA and the
WTO; but most dont know about how these unpopular
treaties got passed in the first place. Fast Track
requires the Congress to pass these trade scams
without amendments or adequate time to debate, on a
quick-n-dirty, up-or-down vote. It is a legislative
laxative that is bad for the Constitution. (The
Constitution says treaties must pass the Senate by a
two-thirds majority, which neither NAFTA nor the GATT
couldve done.)
The Citizens Trade Campaign and its allies and
affiliates defeated Fast Track twice in the 105th
Congress ('97 - 98). The new president wants Fast
Track too. The corporate and political elites have
their eyes on the Free Trade Area of the Americas
(FTAA) and they know that they will need Fast Track to
get it. We have to stop them.
We will win this key legislative battle because we
will use the power of the anti-globalization movement
to generate grassroots pressure on the Congress; and
we will use the national campaign against Fast Track
to continue to build our movement at the local level.
These are a few of the steps that will provide the
margin of victory.
First, we will build a strong focused Fair Trade
coalition from the various components of the
anti-globalization movement in our community. Workers
and family farmers, environmental and consumer
activists, human rights and faith based groups,
students and direct action anarchists, reformists and
anti-capitalist blocs alike all will come together
in some form or another to beat Fast Track. Emergency
Meetings all around the country will build local Fair
Trade networks and plan grassroots actions to hold the
Congress accountable. The whole of us will be greater
than the sum of our partisans.
Second, we will tell the stories that put a human face
on the dry globalization debate. Just a little
research, a task shared among our coalition partners,
will reveal the actual effects of corporate
globalization in our own community. What factories
have closed and moved production to Mexico, under
NAFTA, or to some other countries where workers can be
exploited? Are there any family farm groups that have
first hand experience fighting the giant agri-bizness
concerns? And what locally-based corporations run
sweatshops abroad or pollute globally?
Third, we will personally confront our
congress-members when they are in the District,
especially during the congressional recesses. We can
organize district office meetings, protests and
rallies all around the country, so that they all come
back to DC talking about how the grassroots ganged up
on them back home. We will schedule district office
meetings to introduce congress-members to our broad
coalitions and show them our strong opposition to
corporate globalization. If they are target members
undecided on Fast Track or otherwise worth the extra
effort to make an example of dont let them go to a
pancake breakfast or town hall meeting without running
into Fair Trade activists. They will understand that a
vote for Fast Track will come at a political price
they wont want to pay.
Fourth, we will earn some Free Media, and control the
local and national conversations about trade policy.
Every member of our regional coalitions will get a
letter to the editor or op-ed published, reflecting
the diversity of perspectives that animate and inform
the so-called Seattle coalition. Together, we will
organize nationally coordinated press conferences
against
[CTRL] Stage Three in Education Has Arrived
-Caveat Lector- Stage Three in Education Has Arrived by Gary North There is a fixed pattern in economic development that is not well understood by the public. There are three main stages of development. Using political terminology, I call these three stages the oligarchic/autarchic, the democratic, and the individualistic. I realize that we lose some conceptual accuracy by transferring concepts from one discipline to another, but when no readily recognized terms exist in one discipline, imports sometimes help. Oligarchy The oligarchic phase of an economy is where skilled craftsmen produce mainly for the rich. The market is narrow. Competition is based on quality rather than price. Meanwhile, poor families produce for themselves (autarchy) and for barter with their neighbors, with a few local producers of low-quality goods that are priced in money, but at prices where the poor can just barely afford them. To maintain such a hierarchical, stratified economy, political compulsion is mandatory. A common feature of the medieval economy was the producersâ guild. Members of a guild cooperated politically with members of other guilds in cities to pass laws that restricted access to local consumers. A system of hierarchical apprenticeship and screening was established by each guild in order to restrict competition. The goal was to keep price competitive products away from consumers. This subsidized those who competed in terms of high quality rather than price. It kept the masses poor. Democracy At some point, those producers with the ability to produce a larger quantity of goods by means of a new technology break through the legal barriers. They beat their way into the market by offering significantly lower prices. The market responds to a fundamental economic law: "At a lower price, other things remaining the same, a greater quantity will be demanded." I call this the democratic phase of economic development. It is marked by a decline of political compulsion in the market. Price competition is initially associated with lower quality, but only when compared to quality that had been available to the rich elite. For the poor, these new mass-produced products represent a quantum leap in quality. Buyers who could never have afforded to buy similar goods at the older, higher prices now find new products available and affordable. For them, the quality seems very high: something rather than nothing. The goodsâ lower quality in relation to the older array of prices and products is irrelevant to the buyers. Two groups oppose this development: those who produce for the rich, who now find that some of their rich clients also like a bargain; and those who produce for the poor, offering shoddy merchandise at prices that the poor have barely been able to afford. Both groups lose customers to the new producers. Individualism The new mass-market producers at first offer limited choices. As was said of the Model T Ford, "You can get it in any color, as long as you want black." The Model T opened the automobile market to the growing American middle class. But in the 1920âs, General Motors took this market away from Ford by offering five brands of GM cars and many options within each brand line. This price competitive market had begun to increase diversity. Ford and Chrysler had to imitate this multi-brand automobile marketing strategy in order to survive. Then came foreign imports in the 1950âs. Today, the level of diversity is beyond most car buyersâ ability to monitor. Here is the pattern. Price competition initially creates a mass market for some product line by offering minimal diversity. But as these new mass production techniques are imitated by competitors, diversity raises its lovely head. Buyers then are offered more choices at far lower prices than existed before the initial market-creating breakthrough took place. They get rising quality and falling prices. The microcomputer has been the best example of this process of diversification in a physical product line during the last two decades. As for services, the best example is the steady erosion of network televisionâs audience to cable and satellite channels. This process even has a clever phrase: from broadcasting to narrowcasting. This is the individualism phase. Buyers can get pretty much what they want. Dell Computer will sell you a computer with most of the features you can imagine. They will even help you to imagine lots of new ones. Your computer is put together for you personally in Taiwan (or wherever) and flown to the United States, to be delivered to your door. This is truly a personal computer. All this came about because a teenage Michael Dell started producing microcomputers to order in his college dorm room back in the early 1980âs. He still offers the same service, but he uses a much larger room. Stages of Education The same stages of development have taken place in education. Prior to the printing press, education was
[CTRL] Education: The System is the Problem
-Caveat Lector- The System Is the Problem by Milo Markovich President Bushâs new education plan that has been praised by most Republicans and conservatives as positive and long overdue has left me quite confused. Here is a man that has staffed his new cabinet with people who have built their careers either working for think tanks, government and corporations that are directly responsible for the state that public education is in today. These are the same sources from where the Clinton administration had drawn their staff. The federal government cannot "fix" education simply because the federal government is the prime culprit that has utterly ruined whatever remained that was good about public education. On this, most who are not financially benefiting from public education would agree. What is surprising about the views of those people who would agree, is that most of them also agree that the federal government can not only fix the problem, but they are the only logical entity that should attempt it. Just as one would not ask a known child molester how to best protect children from child molesters, why do parents keep expecting the federal department of education (FDOE) to fix the problems in education that they have created? Granted, both department of education bureaucrats and child molesters know much about their respective fields, but their past performance and common sense should be sufficient to warn us all to keep our children away from both. I believe this misconception that most well-meaning parents have is because they are not aware of how extensively foundation money has been intentionally used to influence and direct the FDOE to set policies over the years at the local level. The ongoing consolidation of local boards and concurrent strengthening of state departments of education has been no accident. This has been intentional and planned since the early days of the 20th century. It has also been a primary tool of the socialist movement to condition the American population by psychologically conditioning the young minds of the children. The foundations and their elite corporate benefactors want a docile, controllable work force. So does a socialist government. The last thing the elite of this country want are independently-minded, thinking, competitive people who could ultimately ruin their free ride that they view as their collective birthright. While this may seem an overly-strong view to some of view, let me say that I was among you not that long ago. What changed my thinking and opened my eyes was by reading some excellent books written by people who are not professional authors, but were directly affected by these changes in education. They or their children were affected so much, that they wrote books to share their new-found knowledge with the public. The ultimate hope is that once parents really understand the true nature and purpose of what passes for public education today, they will rise up to force changes at the grass roots level, and force the FDOE out of existence. There are three excellent books I would recommend to anyone that knows in their gut that there is something systemically wrong with education today, but cannot quite identify it. There are many other books, but these should convince the most ardent scoffers among you. The first is by John Taylor Gatto, The Underground History of American Education. I would read this first so you can get a good perspective of what and how large the problem really is. Mr. Gatto was a teacher in the New York City schools for 30 years. Beginning in 1961, he watched the schools become progressively worse institutions for teaching, and was effectively powerless to stop it. Many teachers who effectively taught academics in the 1960âs became problems for the progressive education movement and teacherâs unions if they refused to get "re-educated" themselves and go along with the new paradigm. Along with his personal story and wonderful real-life anecdotes, he provides the reader with a teacherâs eye view of what has transpired. He also places the last century in a proper historical context by showing how truly educated the average American was prior to "freely" available public education. Most Americans were self-educated, and we boasted a national 98 plus percent literacy rate. Americans were among the most educated in the world. Our citizens were incredibly self-reliant and innovative, and it didnât cost one cent of tax revenue to accomplish this. Then along came public education to ostensibly improve it and make it more available to everyone. The second book is by Charlotte Thompson Iserbyt, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. The third is by B.K Eakman, Cloning of the American Mind. You can read either or both of these, depending upon how much detailed evidence you need to prove to yourself that what has happened to public education has been a deliberate, orchestrated effort. Both books necessarily overlap in some
Re: [CTRL] Date: 19 January 2001 Federalist #01-03.dgst Part 1
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/01 5:56:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Old George was the biggest land speculator and thief of his day. He stole land from the soldiers who fought and won the war for Washington and the other Founding Finaglers. With that land, he was the richest man in America. J2, I'm curious. What proof do you have of this? Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: ALERT: All Call against the FTAA - THURSDAY
U.S. based Fair Trade activists are encouraged to call
the Congress this Thursday to proclaim our opposition
to the latest multilateral trade scam: NAFTA for the
Americas. The Action Alert is set forth below; and
liberal cross-posting is further encouraged.
Several of our recent victories against the
multinational 'free trade' lobby -- including "Fast
Track" ('97-98), the MAI ('98) and the WTO Ministerial
(Seattle '99) -- resulted directly from the
application of such coordinated grassroots pressure.
Working together, we will win again.
___
Please post widely!
ACTION ALERT - ACTION ALERT - ACTION ALERT
All-Call Day to Congress Thursday, January 25th: "NO
NAFTA for the Americas - NO FTAA"!
Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Thanks to the good work of fair trade advocates, a
Congressional majority rejected so-called "Fast Track"
trade negotiating authority a few years ago, which
President Clinton requested to expand NAFTA. Well,
the White House decided to ignore the will of Congress
and the public. The U.S. Trade Representative's
office has spent the last several years working behind
closed doors to create "NAFTA for the Americas" -- a
hemisphere-wide NAFTA expansion formally called the
Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), including 34
countries.
The fact that these talks are going on is an insult to
democratic decision-making, but the likely effects are
a horror. And now President-Elect Bush has named FTAA
a top priority of his new Administration! Based on
the seven-year legacy of NAFTA, here's what we can
expect from this proposed agreement:
* Challenges before free-trade panels on laws and
regulations that protect public and workplace health
and safety, and the environment.
* A push for privatization and corporate control of
education, water utilities and other essential
services on which we all depend.
* Continuing the "race-to-the-bottom" where
multinational corporations cut living-wage union jobs
in the U.S. and relocate in Latin America, where they
can avoid labor laws and unions, and exploit sweatshop
workers instead.
* More "investor-to-state" disputes, allowing big
business to sue governments directly if they feel that
their profits are being limited by regulations that
protect workers, citizens and the environment.
BUT THE BIGGEST CATCH IS THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS --
THE ONES WITH CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO OVERSEE
THESE NEGOTIATIONS -- DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE "NAFTA
FOR THE AMERICAS" NEGOTIATIONS! The USTR has never
gotten Congressional approval to enter into
negotiations that will eventually bind the U.S. to
this agreement. For the most part, Members of
Congress don't even know it's going on. Since the USTR
isn't exactly knocking on Congressional doors to
reveal what it's up to, it is our job to make
sure that our elected officials and our communities
get informed about these outrageous negotiations that
are now taking place! A summit meeting between all the
countries in the hemisphere is coming up in Quebec
City, Canada in April. There, concrete negotiations
will start around a draft text of the FTAA! These
negotiations will include MAI-like investment issues,
services, food and farm policy, privatization,
deregulation, and investor-to-state disputes. Thousand
of activists will gather in Quebec and there will be
dozens of Solidarity Actions around the hemisphere in
opposition to the FTAA negotiations (stay tuned for
more information about creating or joining a local
solidarity action in your community).
On Thursday, January 25th, government officials and
corporate fat-cats from around the world will meet in
Davos, Switzerland to work out ways to keep the
profits-over-people system going. That same day,
thousands of civil society representatives will meet
in Porto Alegre, Brazil to organize resistance to
corporate rule and the FTAA. Here in the U.S.,
let's use the 25th to deliver a
first-of-the-new-Congress wake-up call to our
representatives! Let's flood their offices and make
sure that they get a loud and clear message from the
people that got them elected:
NO "NAFTA for the Americas" - NO FTAA!
Call the Capitol Switchboard (202-224-3121) and ask
the trade staffers for your Representative and
Senators:
* Do they know that NAFTA expansion negotiations are
going on?
* Will they ask USTR to make the FTAA draft text and
related U.S. documents public?
* Will they commit to oppose the "NAFTA for the
Americas"?
For more information on "NAFTA for the Americas" and
how YOU can be part of the Campaign of Inquiry to
uncover the truth about these negotiations, visit
www.tradewatch.org or call Public Citizen's Global
Trade Watch at 202-546-4996.
/s/ Mike Dolan
Global Trade Watch West
415-934-1142 (new number!)
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Re: [CTRL] A Question.....
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/01 8:07:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can Bush just cut off funds to international family planning agencies? Doesn't this kind of thing need approvalneed to go through committees? Require congressional approval? Is he some kind of emperor or Czar who can just say "This is how it's gonna be." ? I don't know what it takes, but Reagan and Bush both did it. They simply stop all funds to family planning agencies in countries where abortions are permitted. It seems strange to stop allowing birth control to be taught in order to reduce abortions, but it is much admired by the Catholic Church. Wasn't it Romania where the law forbade both birth control and abortion which resulted in the horrific orphanage conditions with babies dying one after the other, and toddlers who spent their lives in barred beds. Still no one cares much about the abuse and death of infants as long as there is no abortion. Just one of those things. Prudy It's about time we started thinking about things in the States and let other countries worry about their own problems. I'm sure if you would like to make a personal donation to these other countries to continue abortions or birth control products or education ... they would appreciate your efforts. We need to stay out of other countries affairs and handle our own problems. We have enough problems to keep the government busy forever, not that government ever solved anything. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/01 3:36:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "This is no time for evasions, denials or alibis. I fully accept responsibility and I am truly sorry for my actions." All politicians and public figures should be this forthcoming. Clinton probably would not have been impeached if he had made such an honest statement. Bush should also pay attention to this ststement by Mr. Jackson. I guess the Rainbow Coalition pays him a good salary since he can afford to pay $10,000 a month to support the child. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fat Kids
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/01 1:03:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we need something like the East German education system. Most parents aren't really suited to raising children anyway. Once they get to six or seven years old, put them in a home where they can be educated by professionals full time and they will be ready for the workforce or higher education years ahead of the Western children. Similarly those unsuited to education can be easily determined within a few years and sent to work in unskilled jobs labouring, mining, cutting down trees, pumping gas etc. The savings will be enormous. Did you read what you wrote here? Pure Statism. Government is not suited to child rearing at all. You want your children to be indoctrinated by professionals? You don't want to give them the opportunity to have a life of their own ... the freedom to choose what they want to do in life? Just who is going to determine who is to be an unskilled laborer ... the State? That paragraph is about as unamerican as anything can be. We are not ants, we are humans capable of making our own decisions. Thinking such as this scares me, didn't Hitler have the same agenda of breaking apart families and educating children his way? Think about it. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Airline blood clots
-Caveat Lector- New to me. http://www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,2763,422171,00.html Revealed: air deaths cover-up Blood clot hazard known for 30 years Special report: transport in Britain John Sweeney Sunday January 14, 2001 The Observer British airline companies ignored warnings for more than three decades about the deadly effects of blood clots on passengers during long-haul flights, The Observer can reveal. Despite being warned as long ago as 1968 by leading medical experts about the problems of so-called 'economy-class syndrome', the airlines played down the dangers and gave no advice to passengers on how to minimise the risks. Hundreds of people are feared to have died as a result. As recently as 1998, airlines and aviation authorities dismissed disclosures in The Observer about the potential danger of cramped seating causing clots, saying there was no evidence. Yet in a letter published 16 years ago in the Lancet medical journal, experts warned that 'airline passengers, even those on very long flights, are given no specific advice to prevent venous thrombosis'. Three doctors working at a hospital near Heathrow - Yvonne Hart, D. J. Holdstock and William Lynn - wrote: 'Working in a hospital on the perimeter of London Airport we see a steady stream of illnesses which have developed in flight. The major manifestation of the illness may not occur until after disembarkation. We have seen several patients with thromboembolism presenting in this way, with a near-fatal outcome in one case.' Dr Dale Egerton, a Hampshire GP who saved his wife's life in 1998 after she suffered a massive blood clot, said last night: 'It beggars belief that the medical team at British Airways did not read that letter to the Lancet. It sets out the problem that the syndrome can develop after disembarkation and calls for research. If it is known that people are suffering DVT [deep vein thrombosis] after they leave the airport, then the airline companies have a moral responsibility to do the research. But nothing was done - an utter disgrace.' Our investigation has uncovered a culture of deceit at some airlines which has been allowed to thrive due to complacency at the Department of Health and the Civil Aviation Authority. Today we reveal that: ⢠airline company doctors have known about the risks of immobility since 1940 and the risks of immobility on long-haul flights since 1968 ⢠British Airways highlights a misleading study on its website which downplays the risks of long flights ⢠a new study to be published in the Lancet will show compelling evidence of a link between long-haul flights and DVT ⢠British Airways has not allowed doctors access to its passengers to do more research ⢠no data on the number of cases of DVT caused by long flights is collected nationally or at major casualty hospital units ⢠the Civil Aviation Authority has no responsibility to look after passengers ⢠water, vital to prevent dehydration in long flights, was found, in tests by Britain's Public Health Laboratories, to be contaminated with E.coli and human excrement in 15 per cent of the fountains surveyed on jets using major British airports. Only now are major air lines alerting customers to DVT on tickets. British Airways now tells passengers to flex their ankles while seated. The first study warning of the dangers of immobility was published in 1940, and follow-up reports looking at blood-clot risks to passengers in air flights first appeared in 1968. Dr John Scurr, of University College Hospital, London, is soon to publish fresh research in the Lancet which will show a conclusive link between long-haul flights and DVT. Dr John Belstead, of Ashford Hospital, near Heathrow, estimates that 15 Britons die a year from DVT developed on long-haul flights. Egerton, the Hampshire GP, said that if the airlines and the authorities had acted on the warning in the Lancet in 1985, the lives of 225 people could have been saved. Scurr suspects that the number of deaths could be very much higher. 'Maybe hundreds of Britons are dying every year,' he said. A spokesman for the Civil Aviation Authority pointed out that it had no responsibility for air passengers. A spokesman for the Department of Health said that DVT was 'very much a now issue' but admitted that it had not been a high priority in the past. British Airways has in the past downplayed the prevalence of mortalities from DVT, saying that only two people in the world die each year from blood clots caused on long-haul flights. Last week BA pointed to its website, showing 'facts and research' on DVT. One study shows that DVT is more likely to be caused in cars rather than planes. Egerton said: 'What British Airways doesn't say is that this study was done in a part of France where there is no international airport. It is a grotesquely misleading way to deal with a major scandal in the public health.' A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION
Re: [CTRL] Has America lost its Goodness?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/01 1:12:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is sex the only thing that strikes you as immoral? In the America of older times, whole families of children were taken in by neighbors if their parents died. Widows received food, fuel and other help from neighbors if it was needed. The old were kept in the homes and maintained; so were the mentally and physically afflicted. Hungry people were given food. Sick people were helped and treated by neighbors and doctors who could only hope for remuneration. Neighbors helped each other with the plowing, the planting and the harvesting. If a woman died in childbirth and the baby lived, a neighbor woman might volunteer to nurse the child along with her own. In other words, people cared for and helped people. That is the goodness that DeTocqueville was talking about. It was unlikely that he spent his time dwelling on the possibility that women were having abortions or that there was homosexuality loose in the land. In this day, when neighbors are only concerned about controlling the actions of their neighbors and trying to amass the most "stuff," there is every possibility that DeTocqueville would believe that "goodness" has been lost. You've made some very good observations and comments here. Things were very different before WWII. Government wasn't involved in every aspect of our lives. People lived together as real neighbors that cared for each other. They depended on each other, not the Mommy-Daddy government we have today. The government didn't regulate everything and give tax advantages to corporate (rich) interests. Taxes were a very small part of a person's income, then the "Do-gooders" of the Democratic Party changed things to help the poor, the minorities, the infirm, the people who could not control their sexual urges or their urges that made them rape, kill, murder, steal ... after all these people weren't bad people and drunks weren't drunks by choice, an illness made them drink ... they were "sick" not irresponsible (and the Republicans went along with it). Few people worked for massive corporations -- they worked at jobs where the business was owned by local people -- they didn't buy groceries in a Supermarket, they bought them at the Mom Pop grocery store. They didn't go out and buy a Japanese or German car, they bought an American car made by an American, their neighbors. Fact is nearly everything they bought was made in America. Neighborhoods stayed together, people lived in the same house most of their life rather than being moved all over the country by the Corporation for which they work. Then the Republicans got in office and used their influence to give even more power to corporate interests in the name of Americanism and proceeded to set the stage for moving businesses from a local level to a national level resulting in mega-business and an end to the neighborhood economy (and the Democrats helped pass these measures). All this time both parties passed tens of thousands of laws and regulations to control people who couldn't control themselves and to supposedly help people who couldn't help themselves. And, We the People voted for all these politicians who changed life in America to what it is today until our culture no longer exists. We brought this shitty way of life on ourselves by not being wary of government -- now only an armed revolution will end the relationship between government and Corporations. Any thing less than armed resistance will be futile because those that have the power aren't going to give it up without a fight. It's not about sex, it's about common decency, but common decency has been redefined by those that make the laws and define what is taught in schools so that now there is not any common decency even at the highest levels of government, in once respected teaching positions and certainly all respect for police has also been mitigated. It's not about sex, nor morality -- we've lost common courtesy and have only ourselves to blame ... Conspiracy maybe had something to do with it, but selfishness and not bothering to care about the important things in life are the real causes. If decent men and women had cared enough about this country and their children -- things would not be this way, but if you do nothing, the corrupt individuals will define government and make it what it is today -- a powerful Statist organization that cares not for the people that pay the bills. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with majo
Re: [CTRL] Meet Your Enemy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/26/00 10:46:40 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Japanese were the gun, FDR pulled the trigger; FDR was never punished for murdering thousands of men in uniform, not to mention hundreds of civilians. Europe is screwed up; they are always having wars. Why should we have to protect the British? Lessor of two evils. It was that or end up with Bolshevists in charge of Eurasia from one end to the other. It very nearly ended up that way anyhow. Lessor of two evils is bad thinking. That is why we have only the Democrats and Republicans as the "one" party system. Russia was in bad shape at the end of WWII and if we did not join the fray; Russia would have been devastated and not able to push Communism on Eastern Europe by force. Ha! I never claimed to be a woman, then a man, then a woman again. Who said you did? That is what you have claimed since you have been on this list, yet you accuse me of presenting something falsely. I think all politicians are a detriment to mankind, not just FDR. I also think it is necessary to expose the lies of all politicians. That=92s a different matter. Expose away. I=92m all for it. But = that=92s quite a different matter than accusing him of murder. He was commander-in-chief. He could do any damn thing he pleased with his troops. That what commander-in-chief means. Whether this is a good thing or not is also another matter. But good or bad, it is what it is. If he did withhold information that Japan was going to attack then he was a murderer period. The CINC has a responsibility to those under his control and it is not to have them slaughtered needlessly. If his actions were so legal, then why were they kept secret all these decades? "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. " - Edmund Burke (1729-1797) Burke is dead wrong. All that it takes is for evil to get there =93firstest with the mostest.=94 Had America=92s fascist tinged = isolationist propaganda machine not kept US troops in the barracks as long as they did, the war would have been over a whole lot quicker. In Spain, in = =9136, for example, had the so-called free world joined the armed resistance to fascism, fascism could have been stopped in its tracks. WWII, as we know it, would never have happened. Intervention would have headed fascism off at the pass. The earlier the intervention the less it would have cost in blood and treasure. But Pelley and Lindbergh and Coughlin and the rest of those scum preached against it, day after day after day. They preached in parks, in stadiums, in churches, in rented halls and on corporate radio. Like saps, the American public let itself be swayed. This is hindsight. The people at the time couldn't necessarily see it coming. Burke is correct, if people had done something about Hitler's rise to power he would have never taken control of the country, but people didn't do anything. But the real blame for WWII should be laid, on the propaganda machine, but on the capitalists who put up the money to make fascism happen in the first place. The American people let them do this, instead of hanging the bastards like they deserved. So it was the responsibility of the American people to undo the wrong. They should have started a whole lot sooner than they did.=20 Read "The Best Enemy Money Can Buy" (author Anthony Sutton) and you will also see that Communism (in Russia) was supported by those with money in the US, but we aren't doing anything about that either. You should also realize that Bush Sr. and Clinton have both helped the military build-up in Red China as well, now that Russia has backed down. I don't necessarily see isolationism as a total detriment. The UN is hyping this so called "free trade" which is anything but. The Europeans should have stopped Hitler from building the German military, but they didn't have the balls to do so. One might say they shouldn't have come down so hard on Germany after WWI, then WWII may never have happened. Hitler did have to be stopped there is no question about that, but it still points to the fact that the US was railroaded into war with Germany by FDR. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. L
[CTRL] Fwd: 2ndAmNews Alert: Help Cause, Get Year-End Tax Write-Off
In a message dated 12/24/00 5:42:51 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: 2ndAmNews Alert: Help Cause, Get Year-End Tax Write-Off Date: 12/24/00 5:42:51 AM Mountain Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2ANews) Dear 2nd Amendment News Subscriber, Before settling in for the holidays, we urge you to read the article below by Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America, and then do the right thing. The case of FPPC v. Californians Against Corruption, Russ Howard Steve Cicero is a chilling example of the government's ability to exact retribution upon grassroots gun rights activists, and to suppress our freedom of expression, under the guise of "political reform". Russ Howard was executive director of the historic effort (described below) to drive Senate President David Roberti, coauthor of the Roberti-Roos "Assault Weapon" ban and once California's top gun grabber, from office. Thanks to that successful effort, gun control was dead in the water in California for a number of years. During the campaign, in a time of death threats, break-ins, burglaries, demonization, and other harassment, Russ withheld the identities of donors until Roberti was out of power, to protect them from vendettas by Roberti's corrupt pals, or from ending up on lists of suspected "assault weapon" owners. Russ' withholding, though justified by the Constitution and numerous Supreme Court decisions, was used as a pretense to exact retribution, as a warning to other grassroots groups. Russ and Steve were fined $808,000 in absentia, by a kangaroo court, with no right to jury trial. The selective vindictiveness of the fine was highlighted on the same day when the same kangaroo court fined the San Francisco 49ers just $60,000 - not for protecting free speech - but for money laundering. Steve Cicero, another CAC leader who served as Assistant Treasurer, is a long standing volunteer for the cause of liberty, and was a tireless volunteer for CAC's campaigns. He was jointly fined on a technicality even though Russ advised the FPPC that Russ alone was responsible for withholding the donors' identities. Russ and Steve are now fighting this oppression in the courts. The Fair Political Practices Commission, and other government speech police agencies, must be stopped. They're so out of control that recently, a duly elected California Assemblywoman was forced to step down to prevent the FPPC from prosecuting her for OVERreporting her contributions. In other words, the FPPC is now abusing its dangerous powers to overturn the will of the people and directly control the composition of the legislature. The legislator singled out for this coup d'etat was, as you might suspect, a Republican. Russ Howard has been a highly effective leader for over 20 years. He co- founded Students Against the Gun Initiative to fight the 1982 Proposition 15 handgun ban. He organized a campaign of single share stock purchases of anti-gun newsmedia corporations. He was Director of Research for California's 1993 school choice initiative. As an NRA Director, Russ authored an unsuccessful Board Resolution to stop giving "A" ratings to legislators who dishonor their oath to defend the Constitution by voting for anti-gun, anti-self-defense laws. As Vice- Chairman of Membership, he oversaw partial enactment of his idea for a retail gun store discount program for NRA members. As part of the NRA Board's Management Audit, he reviewed the underperformance of NRA's investment portfolios, and made recommendations for improvement. In the last 10 years, we've worked with Russ on a number of successful political projects. It's no exaggeration to say he's spent the majority of his free time in the last 20 years laboring to restore Constitutional liberty. Russ and Steve are the kind of people who never fail to do the right thing, despite personal sacrifice. This holiday season, remember: No honorable army leaves wounded warriors on the battlefield, and no honorable civil rights movement should stand by while its champions are legally dissected by petty bureaucratic tyrants. What Russ did was the right thing to do. He did it on your behalf, on behalf of the countless Americans who risked and lost life and limb to leave us our great heritage of liberty. Because of its importance for grassroots organizing and freedom of association, Gun Owners of America has hired two additional attorneys to work on the case. But legal help is not free. Instructions to make tax- deductible donations are at the end of Larry's article below. For those making smaller donations, or who don't need a tax deduction, regular donation instructions are below that. Think of it as one more present under the tree. A present to the Constitution. You know what to do. For Liberty, Weldon Clark, Jr. Former NRA Director Founder, 2ndAmendmentNews Rick Carone Former Chairman of Finance, NRA Founder, Californians
Re: [CTRL] Secret plan for EU 'Superstate'
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/00 11:06:45 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why should we NEED a safety net for the poor? Why should there BE poverty? This is a bountiful planet. If we share it, ALL can live well. Instead, a handful hoard and a multitude suffer the consequences. I'm not necessarily directing this toward you, but I just don't understand how you propose to fairly distribute wealth. I'm not a rich man but I pay close to half my pay in taxes ... if I looked deeper it would probably be over half my pay going to taxes. If this tax money was used correctly there should be no poor people at all. I see the Libertarian way as the most equal since everyone has a fair chance and no one should be given special privileges. Government steals my earnings through taxes and corporations steal by giving me low wages for my labor/brain-power. Government created big business by issuing special privileges to some people to create corporations and the stock market. To me if things were normal there would be no corporations owned by stock owners, since that is a misnomer to begin with(corporations are not controlled by the stockholders, but by those who have made themselves the CEO). Corporations would be owned by individuals who would be responsible for injuries to their workers while on duty and responsible if their products caused harm to other people (customers). Sometimes I feel I'm in a Gulag ... I must work ... others-the privileged and the "poor" do not work. Therefore I am a slave to these two categories of people. Surely in a fair system those who work harder should have more. Also those who are creative/smart enough to invent something helpful to mankind should be rewarded also ... and those that do not work or contribute should not be rewarded for their slothfulness. I am not chained to my home or to the place where I work, at least not physical chains, but I'm in a captured state of being. The harder I work, the more taxes I pay and the less my employer appreciates it. Why do I have to pay for my education while others get it for free (the "poor" again) and since I pay taxes that means I'm paying for their education (again the "poor"). This system as far as I understand it means I'm living in a Communist State, rather than the Republic that is given lip-service, but in effect does not exist. Many of you seem to have given this much thought, but you (not necessarily Nessie) speak around the issues and use awkwardly worded (hidden meanings) rather than coming out and saying what you mean. I consider myself to be a conservative and no, that doesn't mean I'm a Republican. I mean Conservative in a sense of a strict interpretation of the plain words used in the Constitution. Republicans are as far from being conservative as are the Democrats ... they all use voodoo English to interpret the Constitution. I sincerely believe that most people on this list are simply put: Communists who want to take all my money and then dish it out to those more deserving than me, even though I earned the pitiful wages I'm paid. I have read and reread the Constitution and I see nowhere in it does it give the federal government the right to control every facet of my life, or anyone else's life. Seems to me the Constitution was designed more or less as a treaty among nations (the original 13 States). Mostly for defense against a common enemy (the British) and to assure that trading among these nations would be even. And the federal government has very little power to enforce anything else. The only major item the Constitution did not address was the slavery issue ... now it seems to me that I am the slave to the privileged and the "poor." I also think that the only way to stop the Democrats and Republicans is with violent revolution. They are not going to give up everything they have stolen over the last 150 or more years. I never owned a gun in my life till about two years ago. Just a few comments, I'm tired of being a sleeper. Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/a
Re: [CTRL] Secret plan for EU 'Superstate'
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/00 4:00:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Sometimes I feel I'm in a Gulag ... I must work ... others-the privileged and the "poor" do not work" Hmm...I'll have to tell all the working poor that they are either not really poor, or working a minimum wage job doesn't count as work... Depends on your definition of "poor." I was eligible for food stamps for about ten of my fifty years, but I didn't take any handouts, I didn't take anything I had not earned. I'm only a little above poor myself, I don't live in a mansion, I live in a 30 year old trailer. I get paid too much for what I do now...but there were many years where I worked 40+ hours a week and still had to sell records every couple of weeks to make ends meet... I remember those days when I had to sell off things I had collected over the years ... two can almost live as cheap as one till the two become four. Many of the poor do work... I may be one of the poor, but I have never accepted welfare and many times have worked two, sometimes three jobs to pay the bills. Right now I consider myself to be above the poor line since I'm only working one job. Answer this: Why should any portion of my earnings be handed out to those who have less than me? That is theft. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Commiserations
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/00 7:59:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we want to send a protest message to the big two in power, we vote for an independent or someone the partys in power like to attack. Unfortunately here in the US most people are too busy voting against the person they consider the "bad guy" rather than making their vote count by showing their disapproval of the ruling party and voting for one of the "third" parties. Either that, or they are just too afraid of liberty because they have been sucking the tit of government handouts so long they think they can't make a living by themselves. I belong to the majority, the 50% that didn't vote for Bush or Gore. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The most absurd economic system ever invented.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/11/00 3:17:04 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Farmers can't earn a living. Nurses and trash collectors, can't earn a living wage even though your health depends on them doing their jobs. Teachers struggle to keep their families afloat. Then you have CEOs who get million dollar bonuses even though their company looses money. Mediocre actors like Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, and Arnold Swartzejrgh make 20 million per picture. And then you have this obscenity... Managers make the big bucks. Managers who can't do your job. Managers who spread the false information that you can't see the big picture. Managers who manage to steal a portion of your earned wages and make your job harder. The higher up they are the more money they steal. The higher up managers know even less about your job. Manager = thiefPoliticians = Manager Politicians = thief Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- Here's a different perspective: NewsMax.com Wires Saturday, Dec. 2, 2000 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (UPI) - Al Gore's refusal to concede to President-elect Bush is causing a flood of Democrats to switch to the Republican Party. The Duval County Supervisor of Elections office has been busy since Election Day signing up new voters and helping registrants change parties, WJXT-TV of Jacksonville reported Friday. Clerks said they have never seen anything like it after any other presidential election. Many people are registering to vote for the first time. Many have said they did not realize before this election that their vote could really count. Assistant Supervisor of Elections Dick Carlsberg said he talked to the clerks in the office and they told him, "There's been a definite surge in party affiliation changes, and it's been from Democrat to Republican." Rest of story at A HREF="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/12/1/215240.shtml" http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/12/1/215240.shtml/A "Gore is about as easy to sell as a menthol hemorrhoid preparation." --Tony Snow A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] To Keep Bear Arms
-Caveat Lector- To Keep And Bear Arms Whenever there's a tragedy involving gun use Bill Clinton, Al Gore, the gun control lobby and the news media, seize it as another opportunity to exploit the emotions of uninformed American people for political gain. Unfortunately, most Americans don't have the foggiest notion of why the Framers of the Constitution, through the Second Amendment, guaranteed our right to keep and bear arms. Our leftist establishment would like us to believe the Second Amendment was written to protect our duck and deer hunting rights. Don't take my word; read what was actually said during the constitutional debates. Thomas Jefferson said, "No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Tench Coxe, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury (1789), said, "The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." Noah Webster said, "The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." In Federalist Paper No. 46, James Madison said the Constitution "preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached,. . . forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition. . . ." Numerous sentiments like these were expressed during the constitutional debates. Here's my question to you: Which one of those statements sounds like the Framers had deer and duck hunting in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment? The Framers gave us the Second Amendment so we could have at least a last ditch fighting chance against government encroachment on our liberties. Who are the people who desperately want to disarm law-abiding Americans? The answer doesn't require rocket science. The strongest advocates of gun control are the very people who seek greater and greater control over our lives. They're the people who want to take away our rights to property, freedom of speech and religion and other liberties. They're cowards and want to feel safe doing so. They figure if we're first disarmed they can trample over our liberties with impunity. If these people had guts and a modicum of respect for the Constitution, they'd seek repeal of the Second Amendment. Instead, they pursue an agenda to repeal it by stealth. The latest attempts are the suits against arms manufacturers for crimes committed with guns. Last week, gun manufacturer Smith Wesson caved in to this pressure by signing a voluntary gun-control agreement with the Clinton-Gore administration. That "voluntary" agreement seeks to force arms manufacturers to do what today's laws do not require and create an "oversight commission" to insure compliance. Arms manufacturers Glock, Inc., and Browning refused to sign the agreement. In response, New York's Attorney General, Eliot Spitzer, told them, "If you do not sign, your bankruptcy lawyers will be knocking at your door." That kind of official threat is an indication of just how emboldened America's tyrants have become in the wake of our acquiescence - threatening destruction of people who refuse to go along with "voluntary" agreements. We Americans have set dangerous precedents. We can rest assured that those pushing for gun control have no intention of stopping short of total gun confiscation. At some point we who cherish liberty must summon the courage of our forefathers and tell America's tyrants, "give me liberty, or give me death!" The longer we wait, the greater the ultimate bloodshed. Walter E. Williams c15-00 March 24, 2000 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to
[CTRL] Scoundrels?
-Caveat Lector- Forked-tongue Scoundrels Liberal Democrats in Congress and Clinton love to attack Republican proposals for Social Security reform. In their quest for votes they stoke the fears of older Americans by telling them that Republicans want to destroy Social Security by allowing Americans choices in providing for retirement. Most Democrats and some Republicans rank Social Security with God, motherhood and apple pie. Few people know that about 5 million Americans employed by state and municipal governments do not pay into Social Security. Under the provisions of the 1935 Social Security Act, state and municipal governments could opt out. This Social Security loophole was closed in 1983; however, Congress permitted those 5 million employees, as well as about 100,000 clergy, to remain exempt from paying into Social Security. Part of President Clinton's plan to "save" Social Security, and championed by Senator John Breaux (D. LA), is to force previously exempted employees into Social Security. If 5 million more workers are forced into Social Security, it would bring in an estimated $11 billion over 5 years. Instead of Social Security collapsing in 2030, it would collapse in 2032 and there'd be 5 million more Social Security obligations. Clinton and Breaux's proposal is standard for any Ponzi scheme - to keep the scheme going, you have to round up more participants. Last April, 12 senators, including five Democrats - Diane Feinstein (D. CA) Barbara Boxer (D. CA), Christopher Dodd (D. CT), Richard Durbin (D. IL), and Edward Kennedy (D. MA) descended on the White House to demand that President Clinton not support forcing 5 million of their constituents into Social Security. They warned of the adverse impact on employees in terms of lower rates of return and lost flexibility. J. T. Young, chief economist for the U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee, points out a real life example of the inferiority of Social Security compared to municipal pensions. San Diego city employees are required to put at least three percent of their salary into a pension plan (and may contribute up to 7 percent). Say that a worker with a constant salary of $32,000 puts a minimum of 3 three percent of his salary into a defined-contribution plan that goes into a mutual fund paying an annual rate of 7 percent. Upon retirement that worker will have $293,385 in constant dollars. Such a return is far superior to Social Security's zero to two-and-a-half percent rate of return. If currently exempt workers are forced into Social Security, they'd also lose the flexibility of their municipal pension plans. Municipal pension plans typically award partial benefits for partial disability. Social Security provides benefits only when the individual becomes totally unemployable. People in high pressure jobs like police and fireman sometime require early retirement. Under Social Security, retirement benefits are not available until age 62. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why municipal employees don't want to be in Social Security. But what are we to make of Democrats who criticize Republicans for proposals that would begin the process of allowing American workers to find a deal better than Social Security while at the same time fighting to keep their 5 million constituents from being dragged into the Social Security rat hole? At best they're little more than forked-tongue scoundrels. When politicians boast to you about the wonders of Social Security, you should ask them, "If Social Security is so wonderful, how come people have to be pulled kicking and screaming into it? If it's so wonderful how come you're petitioning Clinton to spare your municipal employee constituents from being pulled into it?" I bet they will fork you gibberish for answers. Walter E. Williams George Mason University A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL
[CTRL] Government Against Business
-Caveat Lector- Government Against Business Last week, U.S. District Judge Thomas Jackson ruled that MicroSoft violated federal antitrust laws and harmed consumers. Judge Jackson found that MicroSoft: (a) used its position to "monopolize the Web browser market" to the detriment of competitors (b) "unlawfully tying its Web browser to its operating system" and (c) MicroSoft could be sued under state anti-competition laws. U.S. Assistant Attorney General Joe Klein said the decision against MicroSoft will benefit consumers by opening the door to competition. The Clinton administration's attack on MicroSoft, along with the Court's acquiescence, should worry all of us. Let's look at it. The government's chief economic expert witness, MIT's Professor Franklin Fisher, accused MicroSoft of predatory pricing, a practice where low prices are charged in order to drive one's competitors out of business and then later charge high prices. Professor Fisher's testimony is a disgrace to the economics profession. If one surveys modern economic literature, or polls academic economists, he'd find very little evidence, if any, for the use of predatory pricing as a means to monopoly wealth. There are far more effective means to monopoly wealth that don't entail the costs and risks of a predatory pricing strategy. Let's look at competition in general. The point of competition is to attract, to the detriment of your competitors, their customers. There should be laws preventing people from bombing their competitors' production facilities or spreading lies about the attributes and quality of their competitors' product as a means to attract customers. Also, companies shouldn't be able to go to lawmakers to get laws passed to the detriment of their competitors; however, legislators encourage that practice in return for campaign contributions. There's no evidence that MicroSoft has committed any of these despicable acts to capture their competitors' customers. MicroSoft's competitors, in the high-tech industry, are the people who've gone whining to Washington; it wasn't customers. After all MicroSoft is as profitable as it is because customers like you and me voluntary chose its product. Computer manufacturers voluntarily installed its operating system, bundled as it is, rather than use some other operating system they were free to use if they desired. MicroSoft, unlike Congress, has no power to coerce. Many people think monopoly is evil by definition. Monopoly practices are not inherently evil. For example, I hold a monopoly on the affections of Mrs. Williams. She holds a monopoly on mine. Read the Ten Commandments. The first says, "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me." The second says, "Thou shalt not make any graven image . . ." A third says, ". . . for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God." That sounds like a monopoly to me. If you assume monopoly is evil, then marriage and Christianity are evil. There are monopolistic practices that are evil that we need to address. There's the Post Office monopoly that threatens violence against anyone who competes against it in the delivery of first class mail. There's the government education monopoly, a.k.a. public education, that's destroying our children whilst charging us higher and higher prices for doing so. Then there's the American sugar industry monopoly that gets Congress to enact tariffs and quotas on foreign sugar so they can charge us higher sugar prices. The list of these government-backed and sponsored harmful-to-the-customer monopolies is virtually without end. Unlike MicroSoft who has been providing customers with higher and higher quality products at lower and lower prices, the government-backed and sponsored monopolies have been giving us at least higher prices if not lower quality at the same time. I say leave MicroSoft alone and go after these evil monopolies. Walter E. Williams c16-00 April 7, 2000 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe
Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore
-Caveat Lector- Bush Gore as well as their respective parties have plotted and connived to win the election by hook or crook. I hope people will remember this next election and vote for a third party, but four years from now most Americans won't remember a thing. It will probably be written in the history books as one of the greatest happenings in this "Democracy" since history really isn't the truth. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 61% Want Direct Elections
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/3/00 7:18:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When it comes to the Electoral College a full 74% of Americans say they understand how it works but a majority, 61%, would like to see the President elected by all Americans in a direct, nation-wide election, only 33% would prefer to have the Electoral College elect the President, 6% are not sure. Rasmussen Research conducted this national Portrait of America telephone survey of 991 adults on November 21, 2000. The margin of sampling error was +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. One thing this election did for me was to drive home the reason for the electoral college. When I saw that map of the continental US I saw that there is a big difference between city and country people. The people in the big cities want handouts from the government as well as gun confiscation, more public transportation and generally more controls on everything (less freedom). I now more fully understand the tyranny of the 51%. I wonder if this poll was taken more from people in large cities and less from people who reside in small towns. All laws and each President must apply to both the large cities and small towns ... or do they? Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush Jr - ENS Texas Leads United States in Animal Farm Wastes
-Caveat Lector- Someone with the cash is missing a very big business opportunity. Cow manure is excellent fertilizer and if there are literally mega-tons of it to be had for nothing... They could use it to turn the sandy soil in west Texas, eastern Colorado or western Okla. into good farmland. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cashing in on Government
-Caveat Lector- Cashing in on government http://lewrockwell.com Until the 1990s, lots of folks down South still thought of the Democrat Party as just one political alternative, not as the power-lusting, junta-in-waiting we see today. After eight years of misrule and unending lies, and now the attempt to employ politicized courts to bypass the Constitution and impose an unelected president, you have to wonder: Is there nothing these people won't do to grab or retain power? Even more profoundly, you have to wonder why they are fighting so hard. In their respective platforms, Gore and Bush are not completely different -- much to the GOP's discredit. Both parties promise to expand government and even where Bush is better, he is unlikely to follow through. But a Gore victory means the continuation of power for the same crew that has been in charge for eight years. As just one measure of how far public confidence in them has dropped, consider that when Clinton's own lawyer turned up dead in his apartment the other day, many people, including elected lawmakers, suspected foul play. To be sure, some old-time conservatives in the South still vote straight-ticket Democrat because they recall that the Republicans, after invading and conquering the southern states, ran a military dictatorship from 1865-1877. In those days, the Democrats had their doubts about the merit of despotism. But much has changed. Now, it is they who are running the new Reconstruction. And the means they are using is not the military (certainly not the military) but pressure groups and the courts. But why is retaining the presidency so important to the Democrats? It's one thing to be disappointed at the loss of an election; that comes with the territory. And while it's true that the presidency is a big deal, the idea of the American system is that people compete for office but not everyone can win. Besides, they've already had eight years in office. Enough is enough. Why engage in this bloody fight to the death at the expense of all morality and sense of fair play? Is George Bush such a threat to the left that they would unleash every weapon in their arsenal, including legions of aspiring journalists, to destroy him? Is Al Gore so much beloved by them that they will do anything to put him in charge? Surely not. So what is it that the left fears from a Gore loss? In a phrase, the end of the gravy train. Seeking to further enlighten the rest of us, a Democrat attorney Cleta Mitchell wrote these words in the Nov. 20 Wall Street Journal: The fundamental motivation for Democrats is their understanding that winning control of government is tied to paychecks, jobs, government grants, public money for private groups and companies, government contracts, union bargaining advantages, rules by which trial lawyers bring lawsuits, and on and on. The use of government to feed friends and starve enemies is something Democrats know instinctively. Winning elections means getting or keeping a livelihood. Sounds like a Third World country, but we shouldn't be surprised. While the American economy and culture are highly advanced, the American system of government is, in its bare essentials, no different from any other government on the globe, now or at anytime in history. The only difference is that there is a lot more cash to pass out. Government anywhere and everywhere is always about gaining at the expense of others. There has been no advancement in this base reality. We can change the definitions and claim that we are governing ourselves because we vote. But that doesn't change the core moral problem of government, which is that everything it has, it has via theft. Not one penny of its $2 trillion budget comes from revenue gained on a voluntary basis. Expansive government divides society into two castes, those who give up their money to the state and those who take money from the state. In order to keep the system going, those who give must vastly outnumber those who receive. This was true in the earliest days of the nation-state and it remains true today. The presence of voting, or what remains of the restraints imposed by the Constitution, change nothing about the essential operation. When you read the founding documents, you find massive concern about factions. Today, political mavens think that they feared partisanship and would thus endorse what is called bipartisanship. This is ridiculous. By factions, the founders meant groups of people at war with each other over who will control the public purse. Their solution to this problem was not to abolish differences of opinion but to keep government small, so the stakes of gaining power would be low. You limit the power of faction by limiting the scope of government. All the mechanisms we learn about in civics class -- the separation of powers, the Bill of Rights, the Electoral College -- were instituted as means toward that overriding goal. But this vision has been betrayed. And you don't
[CTRL] Not the Framer's Presidency
-Caveat Lector- Not the framers' presidency -- -- © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com The best thing for this country is for the presidential election to be indefinitely in dispute. Think of the alternative. Folks in Utah voted 2 to 1 for Bush, and yet if Gore were to win, these people would be forced to live under the rule of a vast regulatory and tax apparatus administered by an enemy regime. Meanwhile, more than 2,300 miles away, folks in Massachusetts voted almost as solidly for Gore. Yet if Bush wins, they will be required to live under a regulatory and tax apparatus headed by a man and a party these people despise. The loser states can expect to be targeted for punishment, just as they have been throughout the 1990s. Moreover, most people who voted for either of the two main candidates did so because they feared a contrary outcome, not because they loved the candidate. A Bush presidency will not satisfy those fed up with paying for government "services" they don't use, and a Gore presidency won't satisfy those who believe government can never get too big or intrusive. Nor should anyone accept such an outcome. It is time to ask the ultimate question: Where is the justice in either a Bush or Gore victory? There is no theory of a free society that can justify the kind of despotism that permits a few thousand votes in the state of Florida to determine the regime that rules Hawaii and Alaska. No matter what the result, there will be no end to the bitterness. Partisans on both sides will claim fraud and unfair manipulation until the end of time. Republicans will lie awake at night fuming about all the prison inmates the Democrats gave ballots to, and the Democrats will have the long knives out for Nader and Bush and won't shrink from calling them every nasty name in the left-liberal handbook. What's more, bitterness and anger are exactly the correct emotions to feel. This whole election strikes at the very heart of humane political sensibilities. Television pundits: Don't tell me that this is the system set up by the framers of the Constitution. It is not. There were only 13 colonies when the Constitution was ratified and the Electoral College was put into place. As compared with today, those sovereign entities were united only in a love of liberty. These days, there are 50 states of radically diverse populations stretching a distance far too wide a distance to be managed by a single regime that extracts 2 trillion from the national wealth per year. The president initially had very few powers, and the ones he did have were subject to congressional veto. There was no regulatory apparatus. There was no income tax. The Supreme Court could not legislate for the states. The states were in charge of setting their own immigration rules. There were no national health care plans or retirement systems. There were no centralized rules restricting the freedom of association. There was no national policy on anything but foreign policy, and, even here, there was no permanent stationing of troops outside the borders. Indeed, there was no standing army. Congress was supreme and the Senate elected by state legislatures and mostly loyal to the citizens of the states, not a mythical national constituency. The stakes of national elections just weren't that high. The framers' system permitted a president (not a king), but the office was based on the idea that he would largely be a figurehead. He would have no power to impact the daily lives of the people. Impeachment was to play a huge role in American life, as even the centralist Alexander Hamilton was forced to concede. Sure enough, in Alexis De Tocqueville's America, the citizens had little or no contact with the federal government. It didn't tax them, regulate their businesses, tell them whether and how they could be armed, or how they must conduct their private lives. The president's power is "temporary, limited, and subordinate," De Tocqueville wrote. He has "little wealth, and little glory to share among his friends; and his influence in the state is too small for the success or the ruin of a faction to depend upon his elevation to power. ... The influence which the President exercises on public business is no doubt feeble and indirect." No matter who was elected, average people would go on living their lives in liberty, fearing only robbers, poverty, and hard winters, and not public agents. Beginning in 1860 all this began to change, as summed up in Lincoln's declaration that "I have a right to take any measure which may best subdue the enemy." The states were not permitted to exit the regime, a right which many states had asserted in their original Constitutions. During the Progressive Era a new theory emerged. The idea, promoted by Woodrow Wilson, is that the president is some sort of embodiment of the Rousseauian "General Will." Since that time, we have developed the view that the
Re: [CTRL] Just a little reminder about American democracy.
In a message dated 11/26/00 7:21:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody is ALWAYS subjugated to the will of the people. Always. This is why elites even bother with these expensive political shows called elections. We are not subjugated by the will of The People, we are subjugated by the will of The Government that is run by The Corporate Institutions. There is what might be called a sembiotic relationship between Government and Corporations ... Government gives license to Corporations, corporations then bribe government to subdue the masses. Laws made by government control individuals, unconstitutional laws that created the IRS, FBI, CIA, FDA, ATF etc. WE did not vote for these agencies. I don't think that the shrinking of government in and of itself, is at all a bad solution. My problem with that idea is that the same bunch of clowns don't want to shrink the real perpetrators of power, the corporations and the business cartels. If you don't do away with them FIRST, and THEN shrink the government, we will have no access to any institution capable of controlling them. Shrink Govenment and remove all the Unconstitutional laws that have been created over the years, then Corporations do not have the power they control today. Bring back States Rights (State=individual countries) limit the federal government as stated in the Constitution and Corporations literally have no power. At the same time limit Corporations ... afterall government gave Corporations their power to have the same rights as a person. In the mean time, only democracy allows ordinary folks to direct the government. I am not prepared to give this up for your flawed elitist gibberish. But I'm not at all worried that you guys will ever get enough backing among the great unwashed, to be anything but annoying. "Democracy" has to be at a local level, not national because then it gets out of hand. Local laws should be applied first, then State, then Federal ... from the bottom up, not from the top down as it is today. Our Constitution has good rules if we would just follow them. Regards, Bob Stokes
[CTRL] Fwd: Votes, Lies and Videotape
Steve Veritas and the Staff of Just Facts have written a commentary entitled, "Votes, Lies, and Videotape." Read it at http://www.justfacts.com/votefraud.htm Votes, Lies, and Videotape By Steve Veritas and the Staff of Just Facts 11-26-00 Available on the web at www.justfacts.com/votefraud.htm With the Presidency of the United States hanging in the balance, news reporters have abandoned their normal bias in favor of outright lying. The list of examples could fill a small book, but here are a few. Exhibit A On November 20th, the NBC Nightly News attempted to discredit eyewitness accounts of irregularities associated with the hand recounts in Palm Beach and Broward Counties. NBC Reporter Jim Avila dismissed the problem of chads falling off the ballots by reporting that this only happens "rarely." "Rarely?" Who does Avila think he's kidding? On one occasion, police gathered 78 fallen chads after a Democrat election official refused to pick them up. At the end of another day, 283 fallen chads were collected. I guess it all depends on how NBC defines "rarely." nbsp nbsp nbsp nbsp (AP Picture of Fallen Chads) Avila also stated, "Election officials say missing chads change nothing." Does NBC take us for idiots? Anyone familiar with the process knows that an extra chad mistakenly or purposely punched out in the presidential section of the ballot will directly affect the vote tabulation. If there is an existing vote for Bush and an extra chad is punched out, the Bush vote is cancelled. If there is no vote selected and a chad is punched or even dimpled for Gore, then Gore picks up a vote (and vice-versa.) Watch this video of a Democrat molesting a ballot. Bear in mind that these chads are fragile, and before the hand recount process was even started, several election officials stepped forward to warn that aggressive handling of these ballots is a common method of election fraud used to create and eliminate votes. As you watch this clip, ask yourself, "If the situation were reversed, and it was a Republican who was doing this, how many times would you have seen this on TV already?" 56k Video I 100k Video II Here's another lie from that very same NBC News story. Avila brushed aside the fact that ballots with votes for George W. Bush were discovered in the pile of votes for Al Gore by stating, The election judges say yes, that happened once, but observers caught the mistake." "Once?" There are at least 4 people including a Democrat who claim to have seen Bush ballots in Gore piles. One Republican observer stated that in a 45 minute time period, she caught a Democrat on 5 occasions attempting to put a Bush ballot into the Gore pile. One Democrat observer, who twice discovered Bush ballots in Gore piles, apologized to the Republican observer and told him that the ballots had been sabotaged. NBC summarized their story with Avila remarking, "election officials say ignore the spin and watch the less dramatic inside story." If anyone wants to "ignore the spin," they should begin with the whirlwind of misinformation coming from Avila's mouth. Exhibit B A Newsweek article written by Matt Bai and Michael Isikoff focused on the 19,000 ballots that were disqualified in Palm Beach County. They highlighted concerns that the ballot was confusing and stated that the 3,400 votes cast for Pat Buchanan in Palm Beach County amounted to "far more than anywhere else in the state." This article is a textbook example of selective reporting. Absent from the article were a number of important facts that undermine the false impression that the article creates. First of all, the article failed to note that sample ballots were mailed to all registered voters and published in the local paper before the election. Among the hundreds of thousands of registered voters in that county, not one of them filed a single complaint prior to the election. Also, the article ignores the fact that there are 7 other counties in Florida that cast a greater percentage of votes for Pat Buchanan than Palm Beach County, including 2 counties that voted for Buchanan at more than twice the rate of Palm Beach. So when Newsweek tells us about how Palm Beach County had "far more" votes for Pat Buchanan "than anywhere else in the state," wouldn't it also make sense for them to inform us that Palm Beach is one of the larger counties in the state? Furthermore, this article neglects to mention that in Duval County, which is a Republican stronghold, 26,000 ballots were disqualified. How can it be that the disqualification of 19,000 votes in a Democrat county is BIG NEWS, but the disqualification of an even greater number of votes in a Republican county is irrelevant? The scary thing is that some people probably think that because they read Newsweek, they are informed. The truth is that they'd be far better off if they were incapable of reading, because they would at least be aware
Re: [CTRL] EU Building Army
I say it's about time. Maybe NATO should be dissolved, while I was in NATO we called it "Not Able To Operate." It is high time the Europeans took over their own security. The US shouldn't be involved in their affairs, nor should they be involved in ours. It's about time that all armed forces should be converted to defensive status only. Regards, Bob Stokes
Re: [CTRL] LVS: Statistics: Gore's FL gains = being struck by lightning 30 ti...
-Caveat Lector- Sounds like a case of magical mathematics to me (one in 49 million). I found you can purposely skew probability and statistics in a big way, from college calculus, but this is ridiculous to make a statement like that. I think we should just go the next four years without a President. Bob (I hate math) Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: H E R O E S of the VIETNAM Generation
H E R O E S of the VIETNAM Generation By James Webb* The rapidly disappearing cohort of Americans that endured the Great Depression and then fought World War II is receiving quite a send-off from the leading lights of the so-called '60s generation. Tom Brokaw has published two oral histories of "The Greatest Generation" that feature ordinary people doing their duty and suggest that such conduct was historically unique. Chris Matthews of "Hardball" is fond of writing columns praising the Navy service of his father while castigating his own baby boomer generation for its alleged softness and lack of struggle. William Bennett gave a startlingly condescending speech at the Naval Academy a few years ago comparing the heroism of the "D-Day Generation" to the drugs-and-sex nihilism of the "Woodstock Generation." And Steven Spielberg, in promoting his film Saving Private Ryan, was careful to justify his portrayals of soldiers in action based on the supposedly unique nature of World War II. An irony is at work here. Lest we forget, the World War II generation now being lionized also brought us the Vietnam War, a conflict which today's most conspicuous voices by and large opposed, and in which few of them served. The "best and brightest" of the Vietnam age group once made headlines by castigating their parents for bringing about the war in which they would not fight, which has become the war they refuse to remember. Pundits back then invented a term for this animus: the "generation gap." Long, plaintive articles and even books were written examining its manifestations. Campus leaders, who claimed precocious wisdom through the magical process of reading a few controversial books, urged fellow baby boomers not to trust anyone over 30. Their elders who had survived the Depression and fought the largest war in history were looked down upon as shallow, materialistic, and out of touch. Those of us who grew up on the other side of the picket line from that era's counter-culture can't help but feel a little leery of this sudden gush of appreciation for our elders from the leading lights of the old counter-culture. Then and now, the national conversation has proceeded from the dubious assumption that those who came of age during Vietnam are a unified generation in the same sense as their parents were, and thus are capable of being spoken for through these fickle elites. In truth, the "Vietnam generation" is a misnomer. Those who came of age during that war are permanently divided by different reactions to a whole range of counter-cultural agendas, and nothing divides them more deeply than the personal ramifications of the war itself. The sizable portion of the Vietnam age group who declined to support the counter-cultural agenda, and especially the men and women who opted to serve in the military during the Vietnam War, are quite different from their peers who for decades have claimed to speak for them. In fact, they are much like the World War II generation itself. For them, Woodstock was a side show, college protestors were spoiled brats who would have benefited from having to work a few jobs in order to pay their tuition, and Vietnam represented not an intellectual exercise in draft avoidance or protest marches but a battlefield that was just as brutal as those their fathers faced in World War II and Korea. Few who served during Vietnam ever complained of a generation gap. The men who fought World War II were their heroes and role models. They honored their fathers' service by emulating it, and largely agreed with their fathers' wisdom in attempting to stop Communism's reach in Southeast Asia. The most accurate poll of their attitudes (Harris, 1980) showed that 91 percent were glad they'd served their country, 74 percent enjoyed their time in the service, and 89 percent agreed with the statement that "our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let them win." And most importantly, the castigation they received upon returning home was not from the World War II generation, but from the very elites in their age group who supposedly spoke for them. Nine million men served in the military during the Vietnam war, three million of whom went to the Vietnam theater. Contrary to popular mythology, two-thirds of these were volunteers, and 73 percent of those who died were volunteers. While some attention has been paid recently to the plight of our prisoners of war, most of whom were pilots, there has been little recognition of how brutal the war was for those who fought it on the ground. Dropped onto the enemy's terrain 12,000 miles away from home, America's citizen-soldiers performed with a tenacity and quality that may never be truly understood. Those who believe the war was fought incompetently on a tactical level should consider Hanoi's recent admission that 1.4 million of its
[CTRL] Fwd: Tongue in Cheek -Al Gore
-Caveat Lector- I've received this three times in the last couple of days. Anyone get a similar one about Bushski? A "Tongue in Cheek" Speech by our Vice President Good afternoon. I'm Al Gore, and I'd like to tell you about myself. I know a lot about hardship, because I came into this world as a poor black child in a tiny town in the backwoods of Tennessee. I was born in a log cabin that I built with my own hands. I taught myself to read by candlelight and helped support my 16 brothers and sisters by working summers as a deck hand on a Mississippi River steamboat. My mother taught me the value of education, so every day; I would walk 5 miles to a one room schoolhouse. I was a mischievous, fun loving scamp, thought I never dreamed that one day, my youthful escapades would serve as the inspiration for "Huckleberry Finn." Back then, black folks in the South were second-class citizens. One day, a traveling minister came through town, and I asked him if anyone was ever going to do something to guarantee civil rights for all Americans. Well, I guess I made an impression. You see, the minister's name was Martin Luther King, Jr. My father was a United States Senator. He once perched me on his knee and said, "Son, if you work hard and listen to your mama, someday you can live in a hotel in Washington, DC, and go to an exclusive prep school." But life of privilege was not for me. After getting my high school diploma, I took a job in a hot, dirty textile mill. I was so appalled at the treatment of the workers there that I organized a union. Later, that experience inspired a movie - which is why, to this day, my close friends at the AFL-CIO call me "Norma Rae." When word got out what an 18 year old factory worker had done, Harvard called and offered me a scholarship. I captained the hockey team to four consecutive national championships, but I also played football and was good enough to win the Heisman Trophy. During my college years, I lived in a housing project and moonlighted playing lead guitar for a little rock band. You may have heard of it: the Rolling Stones. But there was a war going on, and I felt I had to serve my country. So I enlisted in the U. S. Army and went to Vietnam. I was deeply opposed to the war, but I did my duty as a soldier and came back home with the Medal of Honor and the Croix de Guerre. When I got back, I took a long journey across this great land of ours. I've crossed the deserts bare, man, I've breathed the mountain air, man, I've traveled, I've done my share, man, I've been everywhere. And the people I met at truck stops and campgrounds and homeless shelters on that journey all said the same thing: "Al, we need you in Washington." I knew they were right, but first I had to take care of some other business---building the World Trade Center, founding the Audubon Society, doing the clinical research that proved smoking caused cancer, and coming up with the recipe for Mrs. Field's chocolate chip cookies. Finally, I deferred to the demands of the people of Tennessee and allowed them to elect me to the House of Representatives and the Senate, where I established the US Strategic Oil Reserve. And then one winter day nearly nine years ago, for no particular reason, I answered the call of the people once again and took the oath of office as Vice President of the United States. Since then, I've been part of the most successful administration in American history. And, in my spare time, I invented the Internet. Many times Bill Clinton has been pondering some grave decision and has asked me what to do. And when I would give him my thoughts, he would invariable say, "Of course. That's brilliant. Why didn't I think of that?" During the darkest days of the impeachment battle, the president told me he only wished he had listened when I told him to stay away form that dark-haired intern. So after I decided to run for president, I sat down with him and asked if he had any suggestions about how to conduct my campaign. And Bill Clinton gave me a few simple words of advice --- words I'll never forget. He looked me in the eye and he said, "Al, just tell the truth, it's always worked for me." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available
Re: [CTRL] Bush Finally Admits DUI Arrest
-Caveat Lector- ??? Clinton/Gore balanced the budget - since when, in what dream? Do you really think some dumb asshole like Clinton is responsible for this "booming economy?" You even think we have a budget surplus? This is a troll right? not very funny Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The woman who undid the Mideast peace
-Caveat Lector- http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1000/lafferty.asp By James Lafferty http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- A LEADING U.S. NEWSPAPER recently carried a commentary titled "The Men Who Undid The Mideast Peace," which placed the blame squarely on Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's predecessor. A more accurate version might well have read "The Woman Who Undid The Mideast Peace." It would have placed the blame squarely on the person who persuaded her close friend Sandy Berger and her husband, Bill Clinton, to push Barak into concessions that have triggered the Palestinians' new jihad against Israel. Make no mistake. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been a staunch supporter of the Palestine Liberation Front since her "romantic radical" undergraduate days at Wellesley. Those radicals â most of them the indulged sons and daughters of America's upper class â viewed Arafat, a committed terrorist who has transformed the Palestinian territory into a thugocracy, as a "freedom fighter." Some of those radicals, of course, grew up as they entered adulthood. Clinton, unfortunately, did not. She was the first major voice in the Clinton administration to call for a Palestinian state and, according to White House sources, she was the leading behind-the-scenes force for openly backing Barak over Netanyahu â an unprecedented interference in the internal politics of a friendly democracy. It was Clinton who gazed admiring as Suha Arafat committed a blood libel against the people of the Israel by accusing the Israeli government of employing toxic gas against Palestinian women and children. Far from denouncing such outrageous rhetoric, Clinton embraced Arafat's wife and kissed her cheek. White House sources also say the first lady was the first to suggest that the president dispatch political strategists James Carville and Stan Greenburg to Israel to aid Barak's election bid. They also acknowledge that it was she who suggested the administration pressure Barak to cede 90 percent of Israel's hard-won "buffer zones" on the West Bank and to agree to making Jerusalem a divided city. Worse, far worse, the administration acted on her advice in persuading Barak to assent to an open-door "right-of-return" policy for the sons and daughters of Palestinians living in Israel prior to 1948. That terribly naive concession has the potential to double Israel's population within a decade â giving the Palestinians the demographic upper hand in any election. Would they then vote for measures to guarantee Jews equitable status or would they vote to confiscate their lands and expel them? To ask the question is to answer it. An unlimited "right-to-return" concession would mean the end of Israel as a Jewish religious state, and Clinton surely knows that. Is it any wonder that she was booed vigorously at a recent rally of Jewish Democrats and is studiously avoiding any uncontrolled public gatherings where her presence would evoke a similar response? That includes, of course, the World Series, where Clinton, a longstanding Yankees' fan, cannot afford to show up at either Shea Stadium or the "House that Ruth Built." No wonder polls currently show her holding only a slim lead among the Empire State's crucial bloc of Jewish voters â a group of yellow-dog Democrats that normally should be in her camp by a landslide margin. In fact, if her longtime pal Bob Shrum hadn't persuaded Al Gore to leapfrog Joe Lieberman over several front-running vice-presidential candidates, she could well be tied or trailing. Rick Lazio, the youthful congressman from Long Island, still trails Clinton in some statewide polls, but he is starting to pick up steam as he campaigns in traditionally Republican upstate New York. It would not beggar anyone's imagination to see Lazio squeak by on Election Day. If that happens, part of his boost over the top will come from upstate Republicans returning to the fold. But equally significant aid may well be coming from Jewish New Yorkers increasingly aware of the identity of the woman who undid the peace process by pushing for such an untenable peace in the first place. -- -- James Lafferty is former Communications Director to House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas). He served as Press Secretary to the Joint Economic Committee of Congress in the early '80s and later was an appointee in both the Reagan and Bush Administrations. To comment, please click here. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the
[CTRL] US Congress bows to WTO Mandate
-Caveat Lector- October 30, 2000 - Texas Straight Talk - A Weekly Column U.S. Congress Bows to WTO Mandate Our National Sovereignty is Violated by Congressman Ron Paul An extraordinary event occurred this week in Washington during the final days of the 106th Congress, an event that did not receive comment in either the media or the halls of Congress, save for my office. This event had been termed "unthinkable" only a few months earlier. It occurred despite clear constitutional prohibitions and at the expense of our precious national sovereignty. For the first time in the history of our country, Congress voted to change our domestic laws because an international body told us to do so. The World Trade Organization (WTO) has begun to dictate American laws. More specifically, Congress voted to change our tax laws relating to Foreign Sales Corporations (FSCs), solely because the WTO appellate panel deemed that our FSC tax rules constituted a "subsidy" - the EU contingent in the WTO had brought a complaint to the panel. Our FSC rules simply allow U.S. corporations to exempt a small portion of income earned abroad from taxes. No "subsidy" is involved; no tax dollars are given to FSCs. Moreover, most EU countries do not tax their corporations on any income earned abroad. Still, the appellate panel agreed with the EU and gave the U.S an October 1st deadline to change our tax laws. I have opposed our membership in the WTO throughout my tenure in Congress. I strongly support true free trade, which occurs in the absence of government tariffs. The WTO, however, represents the worst form of government-managed trade. More importantly, however, our involvement in the WTO threatens national sovereignty. The Constitution clearly vests the power to regulate trade solely with Congress, and Congress cannot cede with mandates in areas such as environmental protections, worker rights, and trade policy. Congress either blindly or willfully chose to ignore this very serious constitutional conflict when it voted in favor of WTO membership. However, a Congressional Research Service report was quite clear about the consequences of our membership: "As a member of the WTO, the United States does commit to act in accordance with the rules of the multi-lateral body. It is legally obligated to insure that national laws do not conflict with WTO rules," (emphasis added). Earlier this year I sought to address this terrible threat to our sovereignty by introducing a resolution withdrawing us from the WTO. I explained my concerns in a brief to the House Ways and Means trade subcommittee, pointing out the unconstitutionality of our involvement. I warned that the WTO could begin dictating our environmental, labor and tax laws. These arguments were met with hostility and condescension. Subcommittee members stated that we needed the WTO to avoid "trade wars," and that the U.S. Congress would never change our domestic laws to satisfy the WTO. "Unthinkable" was how one member put it. Judging by this week's vote, the "unthinkable" has become reality. We should never change our national laws at the behest of any international organization. Congress simply has ceded its legislative authority to the WTO, and it is shameful that this action likely will go unnoticed by the American people. If we want to help American businesses, we should simply stop taxing their foreign income. The FSC measure will not appease the Europeans; the EU already has indicated that the changes are unsatisfactory to them. We stand on the brink of a retaliatory trade war with the EU, even though we were told that the WTO was needed to avoid such conflicts. So the WTO has given us the worst of all worlds. Rest assured that the WTO assault on American sovereignty will not end here. What will happen when the Europeans object to another area of our tax laws? Will we change the way we tax individuals also? Perhaps the Europeans will object to our relatively liberal immigration laws, because they resent losing their talented citizens to America. Whatever the issue, the threat remains the same. Americans who care about sovereignty have every reason to be outraged. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Nada Bush!
-Caveat Lector- The premise of voting for one candidate will give advantage to another is false. A vote for Nader is a vote against the establishment. I'm voting Libertarian this year; I know they won't win, but I'll be damned if I'll condone Bush or Gore by voting for either of them. I sincerely doubt that voting makes a difference, they control the computers and the programs, so they elect who they want. Unfortunately I think Bush will be president, but no one has to give him a vote of confidence. Surely the people on this list should know that Bush and Gore are the same and the only real votes for freedom is a vote for an independent candidate. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bondholders Strendthen Chains on Working Middle Classes
-Caveat Lector- http://thunder.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARCHIVE/MARK%20EVANS/BondholdersStreng then.html by Mark Evans Sometimes we are told-or obliquely warned- about the future, even in the media. An article in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat on Saturday, August 13, 1994, is such a case in point. The article, entitled "Federal Budget Experts Find Entitlements Drying Up Well," is very telling if one has even a rudimentary understanding of economic reality, an ear for discerning doublespeak, and can read between the lines. Senator Kerrey (formerly Governor) of Nebraska, it seems, has been for some time the co-chairman of a blue-ribbon Senate Sub-Committee of "32 budget experts" who have been agonizing and studying and debating (presumably amongst themselves) about this problem of the budget for months now. "In chilling detail, they left no doubt that unless Washington limits social benefits-especially for health care-the government is headed straight toward bankruptcy." That is a very interesting statement in light of the fact that the U.S. government has been bankrupt for the better part of six decades now, having gone into receivership to the international bankers back in 1938, a fact which is known to every superior court and circuit court judge across the length and breadth of the United States; a fact also which most of them will rigorously deny and which only slipped out of one of them in an unguarded moment. So far, the bonded indebtedness or "bankruptcy" of the U.S. government has not prevented it from levying all manner of taxes on the masses and functioning, or allowing the IRS to function-fairly efficiently in this one respect, at least-to channel money from the working- and middle-classes to the elite circles who own the "preferred" stock in the right banks, in service on the interest "due" on the national debt. Keynesian economics and deficit-financing have allowed the U.S. government to function very well indeed over the last sixty years, even while the national debt increased from 13 billion-where it stood in 1933-to the more than 5 trillion dollars that it is today. We must always remember, and try to comprehend, that this almost incomprehensible sum of 5 trillion dollars of spent and dead money, which seems like a black hole in space to us, is a mountain of gold in the form of interest-bearing securities to the bond-holding classes, who collect their semi-annual, tax-exempt dividends on this enormous sum. The article continues: Among the most eye-catching findings: ·The Social Security Trust Fund is on track to go bankrupt in 2029. ·The Medicare Trust Fund will go bankrupt in 2001. ·Spending on social "entitlements," especially health benefit programs, combined with interest on the national debt, is growing so fast that together they will consume all federal tax revenues by 2012. . . These dates may be accurate; on the other hand the well may go dry even sooner. And what shall happen then is a question we should all consider. In the meantime, this specter of the government "going bankrupt" is being used as a bogeyman to scare, or persuade, the masses to accept the new austerity measures that are being imposed top down on the American people in much the same manner that the International Monetary Fund imposes austerity conditions on any Third World country. Actually, going into bankruptcy might not be such a bad thing to happen to the government, were it to do it lawfully, the way any individual or family would. If the U.S. government were to file a Chapter 7 bankruptcy, liquidating all of the real estate and movables yet owned by Uncle Sam, we, the people, could then witness who the real creditors are when they come in like carrion crows to feast on the corpse. It could also be convincingly argued in a court of law, in the context of bankruptcy proceedings, that the national debt itself is a fraudulent entity because it was incurred by fraud, and fraud has tainted every aspect of its progress and accumulation from 1791, when Hamilton funded the near-worthless revolutionary war bonds, through the National Bank Act of 1863, and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, until the present. The ruling classes do not want the United States to actually file bankruptcy. It functions quite well as an engine of neo-feudal tax-collection as it stands. Why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? They merely mean to startle us by the threat of bankruptcy into accepting less-less "entitlements" in the future and no health care, and the reversal of all the token socialism left over from the New Deal. You will note that the article lumps social "entitlements" (as if anyone could be so brazen as to think they were "entitled" to anything from the government) together with the interest on the national debt and states that "together they will consume all federal tax revenues by 2013." Actually, the interest on the national debt is much larger and is growing faster than the "entitlements" (spending on social
[CTRL] Economics
-Caveat Lector- http://thunder.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARCHIVE/MARK%20EVANS/EconomicFactSheet .html The "big five" prime banks of wall street, the owners of the "Class A" stock of the NewYork Federal Reserve Bank, are: Chase-Manhattan, Citibank, Guaranty Trust, Chemical/Manufacturers-Hannover, and Bankers' Trust. The Class A stock of the Federal Reserve has not been sold or traded on the open market since it was hermetically sealed from the public at the end of the summer of 1914. It is the exclusive property of Wall Street and European prime banks, whose major stockholders are the trans-Atlantic Ruling Class. This pattern holds true of Central Banks throughout the nations of the advanced capitalist sector. The Big Five have interlocking directorates with the "Seven Sisters," the Anglo-Dutch-American oil cartels: Exxon, BP (British Petroleum), Dutch-Royal Shell, Texaco, Mobil, Gulf, and Socal. Several of these trans-Atlantic money and commodity cartels financed Mussolini and Hitler and actively maintained their connections with the Reich throughout World War II. They were also all actively involved in Stalin's Russia by the beginning of the first Five Year Plan in 1928. None of this is really secret-anyone can discover the facts by doing a little research. Nor should it be considered a "conspiracy" (either by those who promote or deny the essential facts of the matter)-bankers and businessmen have been "trading with the enemy" for centuries. It is just one more example of "the wise investment policy" of cartels like J.P. Morgan and Co. and Standard Oil of New Jersey. THE SEAT OF FIRST WORLD FINANCE Capital is Basel, Switzerland, where the Central Banks of the Group of Seven (G-7) form the directorate of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). The G-7 include Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, the U.S., and Japan. The G-7 are called the "Hard Currency Countries" because their Central banks, corporations privately owned by the Prime Banks of these nations, have acquired most of the mined, milled, and ingotted gold of the world. Approximately 80 percent of this is in the vaults of Credit Suisse, under the Berghoff, the airport in Zurich. A somewhat larger formation, called the G-10, includes Belgium, Holland, and Sweden. THE U.S. HAS BECOME THE GREATEST debtor nation on earth because the Prime Banks of the other nations of the G-10 (especially Britain, Holland, and Japan) have purchased the U.S. government debt in the form of semi-annual and tax-exempt U.S. Treasury Securities through the operations of the Federal Open Market Committee, the Fed's window on Wall Street. Of these U.S. Treasury Securities, 95% have been floated since the end of World War II to finance the Cold War against the "Evil Empire." Now Communism has been deflated as an enemy; nativist fascist movements are being pumped up all around the globe and the aggregate Debt is approaching the net worth of all the real estate and movables on the planet. Now, also, the U.S. and Russia arejoining their military and space programs, the U.S. is becoming by degrees a full-blown totalitarian state, and the bankers are beginning to foreclose upon the bankrupted minions and dupes within their new global condominium. THE BANK FOR INTERNATIONAL Settlements (BIS), the "first Beast," founded in 1930, was the first entity to be called a "World Bank." Monetarist, gold-based, it functions as a clearinghouse for the balance of payments between nations. It operated throughout WW II as an interlocking directorate and a clearinghouse for joint Allied and Axis high finance. The World Bank/International Monetary Fund (IMF), the "Second Beast," was founded in 1946, after being drafted at Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, during the war in 1944. The IMF functions as the collection agency for the World Bank, much as the IRS functions as the collection agency for the Federal Reserve Bank. The Wall Street branch of the Federal Reserve is the "fiscal agent" for the IMF in the USA. The capital pool of the IMF consists of the Prime Banks of the First World, which interlock with the First World (G-7) military-industrial complexes and the oil conglomerates. THE IMF FUNCTIONS, under the aegis of the United Nations, as a Keynesian paper credit-mill, extending credit in the form of Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) to the Second and Third World debtor nations, requiring that they purchase specified amounts of the currency of the G-7 nations, imposing "austerity terms" upon their internal economies, and looting them by means of "repayment schedules" of their natural resources and minerals. These are channeled through the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) to the multinational cartels, also headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland. WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION of NAFTA and the Uruguay Round of GATT, the real wages of blue and white collar workers in the U.S. will be leveled in time to near parity with the Third World. The last "Superpower," the United States, is
[CTRL] Texas ... Drugs?
-Caveat Lector- The Heat Is on a Texas Town After the Arrests of 40 Blacks By JIM YARDLEY ULIA, Tex., Oct. 4 â On the morning of July 23, 1999, Billy Wafer, a forklift driver, was swept up in the biggest drug sting in local history: In this town of only 4,500 people, 43 suspects were arrested on charges of selling small amounts of cocaine. In some cases, hometown juries later meted out sentences ranging from 20 years to more than 300 years. In Tulia, an isolated place ringed by cotton farms and cattle ranches on the high plains of the Texas panhandle, local officials declared the operation a stunning success. In all, 22 of the defendants were sent to prison while others received probation. The undercover agent at the center of the operation, Tom Coleman, was even named by the state as lawman of the year. But more than a year later, an operation once hailed as a victory in the war on drugs now has civil rights groups and local minorities asking whether it was really a war on blacks. All but three of the 43 defendants were black, an enormous percentage considering blacks make up less than 10 percent of the town's population. In fact, roughly 12 percent of the town's black population was arrested. The doubts raised about the racial makeup of the group arrested are compounded by contentions that the investigation was flimsy at best. The sole evidence in nearly every case was the word of Mr. Coleman, whose own character had come under criticism in the past. There were no videotapes or wiretaps or, in most cases, any corroborating witnesses. "They declared war on this community," said Sammy Barrow, a black resident with four relatives who were arrested. "You either were going to get a long term in the penitentiary or you were going to get enough of a deterrent to get out of here." So now Tulia itself is on trial: last week, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of a defendant whose case was dismissed in February, apparently because of a false identification. The suit accuses local officials of singling out blacks to run them out of town. Next week, the A.C.L.U. plans to file a civil rights complaint with the Justice Department seeking to revoke financing for the agencies that ran the sting. The reaction among most whites here has been unflinching support of the operation and local officials. Public intolerance for drugs is unquestioned in Tulia; the local school system is one of a handful in the area that mandate random drug testing for students, a policy that is being challenged in court. The sheriff and the district attorney, who defend Mr. Coleman's credibility, also deny that the sting was racially motivated or that the town is biased. "This is a good community, and I care a lot about everybody here," said Swisher County's sheriff, Larry Stewart, who was reluctant to speak in much detail because of the lawsuit. "There has been a lot more made of this than is true." Like many places, Tulia is not immune to drugs. In 1997 and 1998, a total of nine people were arrested on felony drug charges here. In the previous two years, 32 were arrested in another sting by the Tulia police. Some black residents say the town does have a cluster of crack cocaine users who buy their drugs in larger cities like Amarillo or Plainview. And several of the defendants had prior drug arrests, including Donald Smith, who admitted on the stand that he had sold crack to the undercover agent but who vehemently denied using or selling the more expensive powdered cocaine. But Mr. Wafer, the forklift driver, contends, "there's no big drug problem here." "Can you see 43 dealers surviving in this small town?" he said. "There would be murders and everything. Everybody would have to be doing it." Mr. Coleman said Mr. Wafer, 42, sold him cocaine at a local convenience store. But Mr. Wafer's employer testified that Mr. Wafer was at work at the time Mr. Coleman said the drug deal took place. Mr. Wafer produced his timecards. A judge refused to dismiss the cocaine charges but decided there was insufficient evidence to revoke Mr. Wafer's probation on a 1990 marijuana charge. His trial is pending. The drug sting began in 1998 when Mr. Coleman, the son of a Texas ranger, was hired by Sheriff Stewart to run an undercover operation in Tulia under the supervision of the Panhandle Regional Narcotics Trafficking Task Force in Amarillo. Mr. Coleman had been a sheriff's deputy and a jailer in other Texas counties but was working as a welder when he got the job here. Mr. Coleman underwent training with the Drug Enforcement Administration then spent more than a year undercover in Tulia, the largest town in Swisher County. Officials said Mr. Coleman, who is white, got to know many of Tulia's blacks with the help of a black co-worker at a cattle auction where he had gotten a job. Both Sheriff Stewart and the local district attorney, Terry McEachern, agree that drugs are sold and consumed by whites and Hispanics in Tulia. But, they
[CTRL] An Understanding of Guns
-Caveat Lector- Date: 10/8/2000 6:25:00 PM An About Face After Being Saved by a Gun Owner I am one of those people who you loathe. One of those invisible people who come into your living room without asking your permission. One of those people who follow you while you shop, and make it harder for you to make legal purchases. One of those people who try and tell you how to raise your children, as if you don't know how. One of those who gives ratings to stations that promote our demise as a free nation. I am your enemy. Or at least I was. I followed it all, all of the propaganda, all of the hoopla. Believed it too. Believed that leaving my house was more dangerous than being in a war. At any given moment one of you evil gun owners would open fire on me. I saw the NRA stickers, the Gun owners of America stickers on the cars that passed, and I thought you were all fools. I did everything in my power financially to try and help more laws pass that would prevent you from owning guns. I wholeheartedly believed that only the Police, and Military should have guns. Every time I heard of a gang shooting, or other criminal act committed with a gun, I honestly believed that if we could curtail the legal sale of guns, we could make a difference. Boy was I wrong. I have children, three actually, and to me the only thing more important than raising them properly, was seeing that they aren't hurt in anyway. I wanted to ban guns, save my children, save all children. No child should have to be part of any kind of death, especially the kind that involves being shot. I gave money to all of the anti gun organizations I could think of, went to the "Million" Mom March, even looked at Rosie when she spoke, and actually admire her. Brought the kids as well, and even yelled some not so nice things to those other marchers. I'm sure some of you know who I refer to. I was on my way back from the march, on my way back to Connecticut, when I stopped off of the highway at a rest stop by one of those McDonalds they have off I-95. By this time I had dropped off two of my kids with their father, and only had my little one with me. I went into the restroom with her, and on my way out noticed two men hanging out by my car. There were only two other cars in the lot at the time that were anywhere near my vehicle. I immediately felt threatened by their demeanor, but continued on to my car. The smaller of the two approached me with a knife as I was about to open the door to put my child in her car seat. He yelled at me to get in the back of the car, they were taking me for a little ride. I obviously told them to just take my keys, they could have the car, but they insisted I get in the back. I then heard a man yelling something I don't quite recall, and saw him running towards me with a gun in his hand. The two men vanished into their car, and sped away. I stood there frozen in time, and by the time the gentleman with the gun got to me I just broke down and cried. To make a long story short, you were all right, and I'm sorry. This man with a gun saved me, and I just keep thinking if I had gotten my wish and guns were banned, there is no telling where I'd be, and what would've happened to my daughter. The only regret I have is not getting the man's phone number who saved my life. I thanked him over and over again, and told him that he saved me, but he calmly said to me something I'd never forget. He said "That's what people like me are here for Ms., and I'm happy to have been able to help." "That's what people like me are here for," those words keep on running through my head everyday. Maybe this gentleman by some chance is part of your group, and will read my message. If he does I would just like to say something to him, and to everyone else reading this note. Thank you for saving my life, and to the rest of you thank you for fighting for this man's right to protect me and my child. Tell him for me that I will no longer be part of the group who invades his home, and tries to tell him how to store his guns. Tell him I will never be part of any group who tries to make it impossible for him to buy his tool he used to save me. And tell him I will never again tell him how to raise his children properly, because obviously I was oblivious to the fact that responsible people such as him know how to raise their children better than I do. I did rectify that situation the other day; I bought a shotgun for home protection, and am in the process of getting my concealed permit. Next time I will be ready to defend myself, or others for that matter. Some of my friends think I'm crazy, but they try their best to understand. I just tell them that as soon as their child's life is put in jeopardy by some criminal with a weapon that they will understand, but until then don't tell me how to live my life. I've lost some friends, but surprisingly most of them understand. If not for this man I could very easily have been killed or raped, and my child
Re: [CTRL] Jail not kosher for three in $42m laundering scheme
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/14/00 8:51:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But his wife Rita, 56, and sons Napthali, 36, and Hershel, 34, were freed on suspended sentences, with Victorian County Court judge Michael Strong saying prison for them would be "extraordinarily difficult". Judge Strong said few members of the public would have any understanding of the rigours of the "Adass strain of ultra-Orthodox Judaism". He was satisfied the Goldbergs were genuinely devout in their beliefs in a sect which banned television, radio, cinema, alcohol and tobacco and newspapers other than certain Jewish publications. ... But laundering money for criminals is OK? Seems crime pays well Down Under. "Delivery of kosher food to the jail and concerns about its contamination would be a constant issue - and absolutely vital for the prisoner." The jail would not be able to provide for the observance of many Orthodox requirements for daily living. Ultra-Orthodox Jewish prisoners would be a prime target for "discrimination and abuse or worse by other prisoners because of their unusual appearance". What horseshit. "When the investigators tried to follow the money trail they hit a brick wall in the form of the refusal of the Israeli Government or the Israel banks to co-operate," the judge said Maybe there is more than meets the eye here. This does not speak well of the government of Israel. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Prince Philip,In His Own Words: We Need To Cull The Surplus Population
-Caveat Lector- Seems I remember reading on this list if I remember correctly; that the committee of 300 was proven to be something false and made-up, or maybe John Coleman was proven to be a hoaxter? Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Escaping the Matrix Part 1
-Caveat Lector- Escaping the Matrix What if consensus reality is a fabricated illusion? Are you ready for the red pill? By Richard K. Moore (Whole Earth Summer 2000) Richard K. Moore is an expatriate software programmer from Silicon Valley who has lived for the past six years in rural Ireland. However, capitalizing on one of the better side effects of globalization, he and Canadian collaborator Jan Slakov have coordinated Internet discussions about new economic and political paradigms among hundreds of people worldwide, via e-mail lists and the Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance Web site. This article is a distillation of Moore's book-in-progress, which can be found in fuller form at http://www.cyberjournal.org. Richard can be reached at cyberjournal.org. The defining dramatic moment in the film The Matrix [Warner Bros., 1999] occurs just after Morpheus invites Neo to choose between a red pill and a blue pill. The red pill promises "the truth, nothing more." Neo takes the red pill and awakes to reality--something utterly different from anything Neo, or the audience, could have expected. What Neo had assumed to be reality turns out to be only a collective illusion, fabricated by the Matrix and fed to a population that is asleep, cocooned in grotesque embryonic pods. In Plato's famous parable about the shadows on the walls of the cave, true reality is at least reflected in perceived reality. In the Matrix world, true reality and perceived reality exist on entirely different planes. The story is intended as metaphor, and the parallels that drew my attention had to do with political reality. This article offers a particular perspective on what's going on in the world--and how things got to be that way--in this era of globalization. From that red-pill perspective, everyday media-consensus reality--like the Matrix in the film--is seen to be a fabricated collective illusion. Like Neo, I didn't know what I was looking for when my investigation began, but I knew that what I was being told didn't make sense. I read scores of histories and biographies, observing connections between them, and began to develop my own theories about roots of various historical events. I found myself largely in agreement with writers like Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti, but I also perceived important patterns that others seemed to have missed. When I started tracing historical forces, and began to interpret present-day events from a historical perspective, I could see the same old dynamics at work and found a meaning in unfolding events far different from what official pronouncements proclaimed. Such pronouncements are, after all, public relations fare, given out by politicians who want to look good to the voters. Most of us expect rhetoric from politicians, and take what they say with a grain of salt. But as my own picture of present reality came into focus, "grain of salt" no longer worked as a metaphor. I began to see that consensus reality--as generated by official rhetoric and amplified by mass media--bears very little relationship to actual reality. "The matrix" was a metaphor I was ready for. In consensus reality (the blue-pill perspective) "left" and "right" are the two ends of the political spectrum. Politics is a tug-of-war between competing factions, carried out by political parties and elected representatives. Society gets pulled this way and that within the political spectrum, reflecting the interests of whichever party won the last election. The left and right are therefore political enemies. Each side is convinced that it knows how to make society better; each believes the other enjoys undue influence; and each blames the other for the political stalemate that apparently prevents society from dealing effectively with its problems. This perspective on the political process, and on the roles of left and right, is very far from reality. It is a fabricated collective illusion. Morpheus tells Neo that the Matrix is "the world that was pulled over your eyes to hide you from the truthAs long as the Matrix exists, humanity cannot be free." Consensus political reality is precisely such a matrix. Later we will take a fresh look at the role of left and right, and at national politics. But first we must develop our red-pill historical perspective. I've had to condense the arguments to bare essentials; please see the annotated sources at the end for more thorough treatments of particular topics. Imperialism and the Matrix From the time of Columbus to 1945, world affairs were largely dominated by competition among Western nations (primarily western Europe, later joined by the United States) seeking to stake out spheres of influence, control sea lanes, and exploit colonial empires. Each Western power became the core of an imperialist economy whose periphery was managed for the benefit of the core nation. Military might determined the scope of an empire; wars were initiated when a core nation felt it had
[CTRL] Escaping the Matrix Part 2
-Caveat Lector- Globalization and World Government The essential bond between capitalism and nationalism was broken in 1945, but it took some time for elite planners to recognize this new condition and to begin bringing the world system into alignment with it. The strong Western nation-state had been the bulwark of capitalism for centuries, and initial postwar policies were based on the assumption that this would continue indefinitely. The Bretton Woods financial system (the IMF, the World Bank, and a system of fixed exchange rates among major currencies) was set up to stabilize national economies, and popular prosperity was encouraged to provide political stability. Neoliberalism in the US and Britain represented the first serious break with this policy framework--and brought the first visible signs of the fission of the nation-capital bond. The neoliberal project was economically profitable in the US and Britain, and the public accepted the matrix economic mythology. Meanwhile, the integrated global economy gave rise to a new generation of transnational corporations, and corporate leaders began to realize that corporate growth was not dependent on strong core nation-states. Indeed, Western nations--with their environmental laws, consumer-protection measures, and other forms of regulatory "interference"--were a burden on corporate growth. Having been successfully field-tested in the two oldest "democracies," the neoliberal project moved onto the global stage. The Bretton Woods system of fixed rates of currency exchange was weakened, and the international financial system became destabilizing, instead of stabilizing, for national economies. The radical free-trade project was launched, leading eventually to the World Trade Organization. The fission that had begun in 1945 was finally manifesting as an explosive change in the world system. The objective of neoliberal free-trade treaties is to remove all political controls over domestic and international trade and commerce. Corporations have free rein to maximize profits, heedless of environmental consequences and safety risks. Instead of governments regulating corporations, the WTO now sets rules for governments, telling them what kind of beef they must import, whether or not they can ban asbestos, and what additives they must permit in petroleum products. So far, in every case where the WTO has been asked to review a health, safety, or environmental regulation, the regulation has been overturned. Most of the world has been turned into a periphery; the imperial core has been boiled down to the capitalist elite themselves, represented by their bureaucratic, unrepresentative, WTO world government. The burden of accelerated imperialism falls hardest outside the West, where loans are used as a lever by the IMF to compel debtor nations such as Rwanda and South Korea to accept suicidal "reform" packages. In the 1800s, genocide was employed to clear North America and Australia of their native populations, creating room for growth. Today, a similar program of genocide has apparently been unleashed against sub-Saharan Africa. The IMF destroys the economies, the CIA trains militias and stirs up tribal conflicts, and the West sells weapons to all sides. Famine and genocidal civil wars are the predictable and inevitable result. Meanwhile, AIDS runs rampant while the WTO and the US government use trade laws to prevent medicines from reaching the victims. As in the past, Western military force will be required to control the non-Western periphery and make adjustments to local political arrangements when considered necessary by elite planners. The Pentagon continues to provide the primary policing power, with NATO playing an ever-increasing role. Resentment against the West and against neoliberalism is growing in the Third World, and the frequency of military interventions is bound to increase. All of this needs to be made acceptable to Western minds, adding a new dimension to the matrix. In the latest matrix reality, the West is called the "international community," whose goal is to serve "humanitarian" causes. Bill Clinton made it explicit with his "Clinton Doctrine," in which (as quoted in the Washington Post) he solemnly promised, "If somebody comes after innocent civilians and tries to kill them en masse because of their race, their ethnic background or their religion and it is within our power stop it, we will stop it." This matrix fabrication is very effective indeed; who opposes prevention of genocide? Only outside the matrix does one see that genocide is caused by the West in the first place, that the worst cases of genocide are continuing, that "assistance" usually makes things worse (as in the Balkans), and that Clinton's handy doctrine enables him to intervene when and where he chooses. Since dictators and the stirring of ethnic rivalries are standard tools used in managing the periphery, a US president can always find "innocent civilians" wherever
[CTRL] Fwd: AMERICA - ARE YOU SLEEPING? PART V
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE !!ALERT!! Chris W. Stark - Director P.O. Box 1924 Crosby, Texas 77532-1924 Ph. 1-713-202-9548 Fax 1-281-328-7505 http://www.GOA-Texas.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02 October 2000 + AMERICA - ARE YOU SLEEPING? PART V Copyright © 2000 by Gun Owners Alliance (GOA-Texas). Republication permitted ONLY if this e-mail alert is left intact in its original state. + We are down to the wire, when it comes to electing a president. As much as I would like to believe a 3rd party candidate can make it, the hard cold facts plainly declare they are dead in the water, for they simply are NOT known. They have been choked out of the mainstream press, so the "educational process" has been voided. MOST Americans only know of Gore, or Bush to vote for. I have read (and even contributed) to the negative comments about Governor George Bush. He is better than Gore over gun rights, but is to some extent, a compromiser. But mark my words, he is not GORE! What REALLY got my attention was Bush's pick for the Vice President slot, Mr. Dick Cheney, which is VERY pro-gun, comparatively to Rep. Ron Paul or Sen. Bob Smith. You need to go and read the article we sent out about Dick Cheney's voting record. No doubt this article is one of the most important articles we have sent this year! Go to: http://www.goa-texas.org/cgi-bin/alerts/mb.pl?PN=65 Also, below is a very interesting article from my dear Australian friend from "down under". We need to learn from our Brothers in Arms in Australia. He gives his opinion over the election we face in November 2000. I urge you to consider what we face in this election. There will be a few supreme court appointments by the next president, as well. Will they be anti-gun or pro-gun appointments?? AMERICA - ARE YOU SLEEPING? With Respect, Gun Owners Alliance Chris W. Stark - Director *** # # # # # BEGIN E-MAIL FROM AUSTRALIAN FRIEND # # # # # Chris, I have followed with great interest the posts and news briefs on the Presidential election between George Bush and Al Gore and in particular Gore's pronouncements prior to and during the campaign about 'sensible gun laws'. I am convinced that much of Gore's calls for these laws are comes directly from Rebecca Peters, late of gun control fame in Australia and New Zealand, now sponsored by the Souros Foundation in the US and the HCI and it's clones. The reason I am convinced is the striking similarity between Gore's plans and the reality of the laws now in place in my country. Examples are the push with Clinton for closing the 'gun show loophole' which is now implemented in Australia by forbidding the transfer of firearms from one owner to another either by sale or gift, except through a licenced firearm dealer so that there is a paper trail of who owns the guns. Add to this the fact that no one can own a gun unless they have appropriate licence and your licence details include all firearms approved under that licence including make, model and serial numbers. Recently I gave one of my pistols to my daughter for her to shoot and I had to firstly have her apply for her pistol licence, then apply for permission for her to acquire a handgun, deposit the handgun with my local firearms dealer on his firearms register, wait for permission for her to acquire the pistol come through, and then take the police permission form to the dealer before he could then list the new owner in his register before my daughter could take it home. How long did this take? About 3 months. Next example is the call for gun owners to show a government approved need to own a firearm - if you can't prove that you meet the government list of approved needs - you simply cannot get a licence - no licence, no gun. That is of course for law abiding citizens. Once Gore gets that one in - all he has to do is change by regulation the approved list of needs to remove self defence, just like in Australia, he won't need more legislation to do it. Once this is in for handguns - it's a breeze to include all firearms Next, like Australia, hunting with handguns will be banned in all States - whoops there goes another approved reason to own a hand gun. Like the death of a thousand cuts it will come to you bit by bit until he has bled you to death. And finally the ultimate will be the removal of self defence as a valid government approved reason to carry any thing that could be a weapon at all, pocket knives, sprays, ballistic vests. I remember speaking to a good friend of mine in the local police force
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: AMERICA - ARE YOU SLEEPING? PART V
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/3/00 12:36:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gore is anti-gun. Bush is anti-choice. So who are the pro-choice gun owners supposed to vote for? Not sure, vote for Bush and keep your gun, wear a rubber and you don't need Gore. Or ... vote Libertarian and get rid of all laws ... maybe. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Black Gold Green Lies
-Caveat Lector- Black gold green lies By Alan Caruba web posted September 25, 2000 If the nation's media rolls over for the lies Al Gore is telling about the high cost of gasoline and what's to come with heating oil and natural gas costs, then we are being put on the path to an economic disaster in America. The simple reason is that everything travels on wheels these days. We all drive to work and every piece of goods that gets made and delivered comes in a truck. Reportedly, both the Secretary of the Treasury, Lawrence Summers, and Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, issued a memorandum calling the President's decision to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve "a major and substantial policy mistake." It's worse than that. It is a decision driven totally by politics, not policy. It was a decision to advance Hillary Clinton's campaign in New York State and Al Gore's floundering campaign nationwide. There will be no impact on oil prices In the United States today, we import more than half of all the oil we need to function and our economy requires what we're using now and more in the near future. Why? Because our economy is growing. Some people here at home and many others round the world resent this. The same holds true for the need to provide more electricity. We need more coal-burning utilities because coal is electrical power in America and we need nuclear powered utilities too. Ralph Nader's running mate, Ms. LaDuke, came to fame opposing all nuclear power. Al Gore thinks that nuclear power "is now obviously at a technological dead end." Why is the cost of gas so high? Why don't we have the utilities we require? Why is the EPA attacking the utilities we have? Why haven't we been drilling for our own reserves of oil? Why can't we open up a new coal mine anywhere? Why did Clinton put the richest reserves of high-grade coal in the West off limits to any development? My friends, I give you Al Gore and the policies of the environmental movement, the Greens! Right now in Alaska, according to one of the latest U.S. Geological Surveys, there's at least 16 billion barrels of oil going untapped. That's comparable to five years of U.S. imports. Guess what? The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is off-limits to any use of its huge reserves. The caribou are too important. The Clinton-Gore administration has also seen to it that the oil reserves off California and Florida can't be tapped either. We have to protect the sea otters and seals. Want to know why you're paying so much money to fill your tank? Ask Al Gore, Jr! This is, of course, the same Al Gore, who, on September 21st, said, "People should be able to get in their cars and drive where they want, when they want, at a low price." This is the same Al Gore who, writing in his book, "Earth in the Balance" said, "Today, we must recognize that our heavy reliance on cars as our primary means of transportation accounts for a large proportion of the carbon dioxide emitted in the atmosphere from the industrial world. Objectively, it makes little sense for each of us to burn up all the energy necessary to travel with several thousands pounds of metal wherever we go." To demonstrate how insane Gore's views about the automobile truly are, you need only read his book where, at one point, he says "We now know that their cumulative impact on the global environment is posing a mortal threat to the security of every nation more deadly than that of any military enemy we are ever again likely to confront." Objectively and scientifically, there is no global warming and the amount of CO2 humans produce is nothing compared to the billions of metric tons produced by the oceans of the world and other natural sources. More CO2 is a boon to agriculture and forest growth. Measurements of the earth's overall temperature all indicate there has been no warming in over fifty years. Nothing Al Gore Jr. has to say on this subject makes any sense whatever. Meanwhile, the OPEC nations, whose oil it is, have pointed out that the reason we are paying high prices here and the Europeans are paying even higher prices is because of the taxes imposed by our federal and state governments and those of the other consumer nations. To put it another way, the US and the European governments get huge amounts of money for doing nothing while the producers of oil are depleting what, for most, is their only natural resource. OPEC nations have enough known reserves for, at the least, another fifty years. That means we have time to (1) drill and utilize our own reserves and (2) come up with new technology to reduce our dependency on oil. If you doubt we can do this, you know nothing of history. It wasn't until the last century that the automobile was even invented or came into widespread use. Before that it was horses! At this point you must also factor in the Clean Air policies of the Environmental Protection Agency. Led by Gore's hand-picked director, Carol Browner, the
[CTRL] Where there is a Fire Someone is Blowing Smoke
-Caveat Lector- Where there is fire, someone is blowing smoke http://enterstageright.com/0900smoke.htm By A. C. Kleinheider web posted September 25, 2000 On September 6, 2000, in the Haynes Manor area of north Nashville, Tennessee, a 17-month-old boy died in his crib from smoke inhalation during a fire in a house in which he and nine other children had just been put down for a nap. The house was operating as an unregulated child-care provider, which under Tennessee state law, may care for no more than six children, two of who must be related to the caregiver. Apparently the house did not have smoke detectors, which are required by state law in a facility that provides child-care. The baby's death was an unfortunate, tragic, and quite possibly avoidable accident. The accident we as a society must avoid is the tragedy of allowing such incidents to infect the thinking of citizens and legislators emboldening them to enact and enforce regulations of child-care providers. What is really irksome about stories like these is the language used. Words such as "caregiver" and phrases like "unregulated child-care provider" serve only to obfuscate what is actually being discussed. This was a neighborhood mommy watching neighborhood kids and maybe making a few bucks for her trouble. But as soon as a fire starts and a kid dies, through the miracle of legal jargon and journalistic palaver, "Little Jimmy's mom from down the street" metamorphizes into an "unregulated child care provider". Talk radio immediately chimes in on how the parents should be more responsible in their choice of "caregivers" and that maybe government should step in and supervise and regulate anyone who is watching anyone else's kids. First of all, whenever possible, some parent, I don't care which one, but some parent should make it their full-time job and mission in life to raise their children until at least the age of five. Maybe they won't be able to pay for the brand new Benz, the Jacuzzi in the backyard, or the latest incarnation of the G. I. Joe with the Kung Fu grip, but they will be fulfilling their most important role as a human being: parent. Many couples with small children who say they are working out of necessity are being less than genuine. But thanks to tax slavery, an excessive consumer culture, and incessant government regulation of life many families do have to maintain two-incomes, one to pay Uncle Sam and one to put food on the table, to say nothing of the trials and tribulations facing single mothers. While mommy is slaving in the work force to try and pay the State, someone must watch the babies. Mothers in this situation most likely do not have the means to enroll their child in the local Montessori school or even a fully accredited and respected day-care facility. They have to take a crap shoot. They have to risk their children's health and safety by placing them in the hands of either degeneracy or incompetence in some half-ass YMCA basement day-care center. If a mother in this precarious position decides instead to pay her neighbor, "Little Jimmy's mom", who doesn't work and seems like a good mommy, to take care of her kids; what's wrong with that? The world is supposed to work that way, neighbors helping out neighbors, communities helping one another. Sometimes favors are exchanged, sometimes money. However, if more than few neighborhood working-moms ask "Little Jimmy's mom" for help all of a sudden Jimmy's mom needs State sanction to do a good turn. The care of children is not an area that government, federal, state, or local, need be intimately involved with. If the person you leave your child with doesn't have smoke alarms, and that was important to you, you wouldn't have left your kid there. If "Little Jimmy's mom" has to run around installing smoke detectors (or whatever other hoops the State chooses to make her jump through) in order to help out her neighbors and make a little extra cash, she's either going to have to start upping the price or the next time a neighbor asks her to watch their child Jimmy's mom will give them a big, "Hell no! I don't need the hassle." Government should not assert itself whatsoever in the rearing and caring of children who have able-bodied mentally competent relatives who can make decisions about their care. Government intervention in childcare takes away our ability to form meaningful bonds with our neighbors, our families, and our community. We should not depend on the sanction of the State for the care of children. People should take care of their own kin. When they cannot they must be free to choose who watches their children and not be forced to deal with government red tape that makes life harder than it already is. As the Outlaw Josey Wales said, "Governments don't live together, people live together." Damn right. A. C. Kleinheider writes from Nashville, Tennessee. His work has appeared in WorldNetDaily, LewRockwell.com, EtherZone and Themestream.com. His e-mail address
[CTRL] A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Regulatory State
-Caveat Lector- A funny thing happened on the way to the regulatory state http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0400regstate.htm By Diane Alden web posted April 10, 2000 The federal government was given few, limited and enumerated powers. The Constitution grants the federal government powers over such issues as national defense, international trade and diplomacy, immigration procedures, maintenance of the monetary system, patents and copyright enforcement, bankruptcy procedures and the regulation of interstate commerce. But in the last 75 years government has gone beyond the limits set by the Founders and strayed to the other end of the galaxy. In the process the constitutional republic has been replaced by the regulatory state. What is left of the republic and the Bill of Rights is under assault from the trial lawyers, the environmental movement, anti-gun lobby, the corporate-government-foundation triad, the congress (as separation of powers becomes history), runaway taxes, federal and state regulatory monster, a corrupt press, a court system which has lost its way, dumbed down education, a self absorbed citiznery and a debased culture. What has happened to the republic might be called the Madison Effect, in honor of James Madison's famous dictum that "men love power." What went wrong in the republic has many fathers. Some of the problems date back to the 1800s when America's intellectuals adopted a philosophy hatched in Prussian universities. A philosophy which has spawned everything from Nazism to communism to environmentalism to Freudian psychology. A creed which is at odds with the intellectual tradition of the Founders. However, it was a system of thought and philosophy which fit very well with the growth of the state and the demise of individual freedom. Many American intellectuals swallowed the collectivist--statist bilge and passed it on to generations of young people some of whom became the elitist left. America's educated elite promoted the growth of the state by insinuating the activist federal government on America. The Great Depression was the major catalyst for the the success of the statist philosophy and subsequent growth of the federal government. Americans began to like the interference of the state in their lives because it came with money and promises of one sort or another and a sense of security. We became more interested in what government could do for us than what we could do for ourselves. Once upon a time in the republic called America people were smart enough to know that government never does anything for free. Government has no conscience and it will do or say anything to get power and control. A republican form of government is supposed to take care of that problem. But we are no longer a constitutional republic. We are a nation with a plebiscite and the whim of the majority is our creed. We call ourselves a nation of laws not men. Unfortunately, someone never told the government or the federal court system that there was a point where even a good thing can become a bad thing. We have overdone a good thing. At the moment we are drowning in regulatory law. Rather than being as judicious as the Founders and keeping it simple--stupidly we wove the noose that is strangling us. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution were simple and straight forward coda. But we took a classic construction and stuck ribbons and bows on it, tore at the hem and the sleeves, and ended up with something we can't wear. But by gum the government is going to make sure we are covered in something aka the regulatory state. Two of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century were the Great Depression and the various social and cultural movements of the 60s. Both were born in idealism stemming from 19th century German philosophy and a bastardized version of Judeo-Christian tradition. The only one of the movements worth the trouble was the civil rights movement for blacks. The rest merely cheapened the civil rights struggle. Moreover, the Great Depression wasn't just an economic tragedy it was the death knell for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. The federal Nanny State began when Roosevelt instituted the New Deal. That in turn became Truman's Fair Deal, and LBJ's "war on poverty." Double Your Trouble Since John Kennedy the number of federal agencies has doubled. Nearly every president since Roosevelt has added their own particular "war." Each "war" requires its own bureaucracy. Over the years, presidential, congressional and court rule making in regards to our war mentality has led us to the ten headed dragon better known as the federal bureaucracy. It is the nature of bureaucracy that the process and paper work are more important than the results. The Federal Register a daily report on new and proposed regulations went from 15,000 pages in 1963 to over 70,000 pages today. The cost of government is nearly $2 trillion a year. The cost and the results are are not in sync.
Re: [CTRL] Left wing hippie (Ted Nugent Speaks...)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/00 11:51:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger? He's a hippie and hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be. But some lefties can see that Constitutional rights are more important than welfare for the rich. It follows that you'd also pigeon-hole 'our beleaguered Kris' as being "about as left wing as you can be" since he's one of those "hippie type people" as well: http://www.cia-drugs.com/symposium/grafx/2kris.jpg Kris' mug shot for the CIA-Drugs Symposium page (Even looks like he's sporting a ceramic Amanita muscaria on the background bookshelf; pretty hip entheogenic touch, IMHO.) And, unless I'm mistaken, Kris styles himself as a "long-hair hippie" a couple times in his lecture. Yet political notions like 'left' and 'right', 'conservative' and 'liberal', 'tweedle dee' and 'tweedle dumb' are mostly irrelevant distractions used by the few to divide and loot the many. Political parties are often picked in the same manner one picks a favorite professional sport team -- and once they are chosen, it's social custom to become a "fan" or "true believer" and to blindly follow that choice through "thick and thin", "good and bad", year after year, for the rest of one's life. [Trying to change another's political beliefs by arguing facts and stats is usually about as futile as trying to change another's favorite sport team by arguing facts and stats; or to change another's faith through logic.] And simply because one lives in Dallas does not necessarily mean they are a Cowboys fan (aka, ass wipe, scum of the earth); or if they have long hair and sometimes enjoy a little herb, make them a Jane Fonda clone 'or whatnot'. If Kris is a hippie, using your fallacy he's "about as left wing as you can be", how would you explain the half-meg or so of so-called 'right-wing' Laissez Faire City Times articles he posted to the list/archive? (J. Orlin Grabbe link perhaps? Who knows?) Sorry to take so long to respond to this. When you're right you're right. I suppose many of us are burdened with prejudices and stupid thinking from time-to-time. My problem with the hippie genere goes back about thirty years when I saw my friends coming back from Nam missing limbs, sitting in wheelchairs, or coming home in a box. I have still not quite overcome this prejudice and wrong thinking, I'm working on it, but it gets the best of me at times. I didn't mean to point at Kris for being a long-hair; he's probably the person who should be most respected on this list since he is actually trying to do something about the situation in this country by exposing the CIA's involvement with drugs. Who knows, if the controlled media picks up on this it might make a very big difference, maybe it might make people start thinking about their country and their place in it ... they might even demand that their government be put in it's proper place and give up one sports event per week to keep tabs on their government. I see more and more people not trusting the government blindly. I also hear from many people that they no longer trust the nightly news and watch it only to see what sort of crap they are trying to put over now. If we could all get over our prejudices with each other we might finally be able to work together to make a real change, but I'm not holding my breath ... When people find I was in the military I know they harbor certain feelings about me - baby killer etc. and probably worry that I'll just "go off" one day. Regards, Bob Stokes The wind of anger blows out the lamp of intelligence. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTR
Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/21/00 4:17:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder how the right can feel so comfortable being in bed with this ape... Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger? He's a hippie and hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be. But some lefties can see that Constitutional rights are more important than welfare for the rich. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/00 10:35:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sad fact is that many 'boat' people have died trying to get to Canada. It's heartbreaking. And I have also read stories of people dying while trying to get to Australia, and Britain is a cosmopolitan country too. Being here in the States I haven't heard of people dying to get to Canada, but it's easily understandable with the cold waters surrounding Canada. Where do these people come from - Cuba, Haiti? The US is also cosmopolitan and has been for quite some time. I would suggest Mr. Nugent look beyond the borders of the US to see what is going on in the rest of the world, but he has carved out a nice safe niche for himself. He does have it made, for sure. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/00 5:45:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The end result is the same...the neo-nazis sought to divert the list with squabblings about Jews and the Holocaust, the current crop of homophobes seek to divert the list in the same manner... It seems to me and was stated earlier that none of this discussion is fruitful and that the real purpose of all the hot-button issues serves only one purpose. The purpose is to widen the scope or governmental control and to multiply the power of the government. The government grows stronger and the individual citizens gets weaker because government gains control by stealing power from it's citizens. Our Constitution was designed to prevent this, but obviously isn't working because government grows stronger every day. Rather than attacking the government we attack each other and try to affix "blame" for the ills of our society on different groups ... blacks against whites, poor against rich, Democrats vs Republicans, religion, abortion, homosexuality, war, the environment, free energy, petroleum, housing, education, immigration, language and dozens of others. Government can be defeated and made to toe the line, but first we have to stop squabbling amongst ourselves; this is a very hard thing to do and we all get caught up in the fray. Freedom should be the goal; Liberty is a forgotten word in it's true meaning; I'm only learning the true meaning of "Liberty" myself. Government should derive it's power from the governed, but this is no longer true. It is time to change that or we will become a completely "Statist" society with the government having "Rights" not the individual. Regards, Bob Stokes Coming to you today from sunny San Jose; Have a nice day! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Harry Browne Speaks
-Caveat Lector- http://www2.georgemag.com/interviews/harry1.html Interview with Harry Browne By Brian Weiss Ralph Nader might make the most noise, and the battle over the Reform party may hog the headlines, but the Libertarian party and presidential candidate Harry Browne have quietly emerged as America's best organized third party. Running for president for the second time, candidate Harry Browne talks to Georgemag.com about his message of eliminating the income tax, stopping the War on Drugs and why Al Gore and George W. Bush might belong in prison. For people who may not be familiar with it, explain the Libertarian philosophy. It's very simple. Libertarians want you to be free to live your life as you want to live it, just as long as you don't intrude on somebody else's person or property. Libertarians think you go to work everyday, so you ought to keep the money that you earn. If the politicians want some of that money, they ought to ask for it instead of taking it by force. This is what separated America from the rest of the world. Instead of kings ruling by divine right you had a right to self-determination. All of that has been lost in the United States. Politicians decide everything. They decide how much of your income you are going to be allowed to keep, they decide how big your toilet is going to be, they decide how your child's school is going to be run, how your health insurance company has to treat you. They make all the rules. And as a result, America is no different from any other country in the world. Who is Harry Browne? Where did he come from and what infused him with Libertarian values? I was born in New York City, grew up in Los Angeles and moved to Tennessee five years ago. I have also lived in Switzerland, Canada and California. Professionally, I was in the investment world for thirty years and wrote a number of books, published a newsletter and was an investment consultant. But I didn't vote for 30 years, because I didn't see any point in trying to chose between Democrats and Republicans because I knew that no matter who got elected, government was just going to get bigger and more expensive and more intrusive and more oppressive. So you became a Libertarian? I joined the Libertarian party in 1994 and ran for president in 1996 because I though we had reached the point where people were so disenchanted with government that we really did have a chance to turn things around and to reduce the size government dramatically. And we have a chance to give you your freedom back and let you run your life instead of having Al Gore or George Bush do it. Explain "The Great Libertarian Offer" in the party's platform? The Great Libertarian offer asks this question: Would you give up your favorite federal programs if it meant you never had to pay income tax again? We want government to live by it's constitutional mandate. There might be one or two things you are getting from the government that you don't want to give up, but under a Libertarian president, you're never going to pay income tax again, and your children will never pay income tax. Your grandchildren will go through life without ever having to pay the terrible burden of taxation that you had to endure. Early on, there was a lot of speculation that Pat Buchanan's candidacy would siphon votes from Bush. More recently Ralph Nader seemed to pose a similar threat to Al Gore. From which party do you take votes? Our situation is a bit different. All I have is anecdotal evidence, no statistics, but it would certainly appear from the people who call the talk shows and from the people I meet at political events that we are getting about 1/3 of our new votes from Democrats and 1/3 from Republicans. The other 1/3 are from people who just haven't voted in the past because they didn't see any point to it. This is your second run for the presidency. In 1996 you received about half a million votes. What are you doing differently this time around? We have gotten better at presenting the message as anybody would over a period of time. But the political landscape continues to change in the sense that people are just becoming more and more disenchanted with government. So is this approach working? Is your message resonating? Oh sure. The party is nearly three times as large as it was in the beginning of 1996. This makes it possible for us to do a lot of things we weren't able to do last time. We are doing a lot more national TV advertising this time. I've been on far more national television shows than I was in all of 1996. It won't be enough to elect us this year, but every vote that I get lays the groundwork to elect a Libertarian president and Libertarian congresspeople in 2002, 2004, 2006. I believe it is entirely possible that we could have a Libertarian president and congress before the end of this decade. Is your philosophy a harder sell amidst the prosperity in America? I don't think so. We simply have to change the question from
[CTRL] Chicago Lawsuit Against Gun Makers Misfires
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com Chicago Lawsuit Against Gun Makers Misfires NewsMax.com Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2000 A judge has thrown out Chicago Mayor Richard Daleyâs lawsuit against gun manufacturers charging them with flooding the city with handguns. Judge Stephen Schiller of Cook County Circuit Court told the city that stopping illegal gun sales should be responsibility of the police and the criminal courts. He said the city had failed to show that the gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers had knowingly drenched the city with illegal handguns. The judge ruled that Chicago has put too much stress on statistical data governing the sales of guns later used in crimes. He suggested that police and prosecutors could more aggressively pursue the problem of weapons sold in suburban gun shops, where law enforcement has been successful. According to Reuters news agency, "in four recent cases brought against suburban gun shop owners by the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, two were acquitted, one was found guilty, and one pleaded guilty. They were charged with making illegal sales to "straw" purchasers who clearly were reselling the weapons.â A shocked Daley promised to pursue the case. "We will appeal the ruling, of course. We will continue this fight because it's the right thing to do, because the majority of the public is on our side, and because it will save lives," the Chicago Democrat said. But the record shows that such lawsuits, obviously aimed at bankrupting the gun industry, are anything but certain winners. Out of 30 lawsuits filed by U.S. cities against the manufacturers, four have already been thrown out, and only five have survived initial challenges. Moreover, at least eight states have passed laws forbidding municipalities to sue gun makers. The Chicago lawsuit filed in 1998 was the second such case filed by a U.S. city. New Orleans was the first to file suit against the gun industry. None of the cases have come to trial. Chicago sought $433 million in damages to offset expenses run up by police, medical units and other agencies. Daley promised he would pursue the gun industry in the courts and push for "common-sense" gun laws. He said he failed to understand why the gun industry should not get the same legal treatment meted out to cigarette makers and tire makers. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com Nugent Speaks Out for Gun Rights Stephan Archer Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2000 The following is the first of a two-part interview with gun rights activist and guitar legend Ted Nugent. Rock-and-roll legend Ted Nugent enjoys getting wild and crazy during concerts, but offstage, the 51-year-old founder of the group Damn Yankees becomes something of an advocate spending much of his time fighting for the freedoms he enjoys as an American. Above all else, Nugent values the freedom he possesses as an American to worship God and protect his life and that of his loved ones. In his fight for better communities, he has spoken on behalf of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Big Brothers/Big Sisters and the Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) law enforcement program. Nugent has been honored on the floor of the U.S. Senate and has been named conservationist of the year in his home state of Michigan. He's received numerous commendations from state police, sheriff departments, FBI, U.S. Army and other police agencies nationwide. He also is a special deputy sheriff in his hometown. As an author and avid marksman, Nugent wrote "Bloodtrails: The Truth About Bowhunting" in 1990. Most recently, he wrote "God, Guns, Rock 'N' Roll" earlier this year to express why he believes the right to bear arms is at the core of his rights as an American citizen. NewsMax.com caught up with Nugent and was able to find out more about the man behind the book, guitar and gun. What follows is a look inside the seemingly insoluble world of a rocker, author and advocate. 'God-Given Right to Keep and Bear Arms' NewsMax.com: What encouraged you to write this book? Ted Nugent: Al Regnery, the owner of Regnery publishing, read some of my writing, saw me on a number of talk shows, and contacted me and asked me if I would like to write a book about this peculiar gun-infested lifestyle of mine within the wonderful world of typically drug-infested idiots of rock and roll, and how I defied the punks, their drugs, alcohol and tobacco throughout my life. I've always cherished and celebrated my God-given right to keep and bear arms and certainly my moral obligation to be capable of defending myself and my family. As I was talking to Mr. Regnery, I said, "Yeah, I can write a book, if I can call it 'God, Guns, and Rock 'N' Roll.'" And he said, "Hey, that sounds like a good title." So I pretty much jumped on it. NM: What main point in the book do you want to get across to your readers? TN: I think what is the most important thing about my book is that there are no opinions in there. There are no hunches. There's no presumptuousness whatsoever about my hands-on, eyewitness observations of these self-evident truths and these common-sense realities that good working people across this nation celebrate in their everyday lives, and finally it's in book form. I'm just getting an amazing and very blessed response from people who are saying, "Yes, that's the truth." NM: One of the primary "self-evident truths" you talk about in your book is the right of every American to bear arms. Are guns something people should be afraid of? TN: Not at all. In fact, the statistics are irrefutable. Americans own more guns per capita than any society, or civilization, in the history of the world, yet we are at an all-time, 38-year low gun crime rate. Now just add that up. I'm just a guitar player, so you'll have to forgive me because I never went to college. I was too busy learning things. The truth is, never in the United States' history have more citizens had more concealed weapons permits, and never before in record keeping have citizens had more privately owned firepower than they do in the year 2000. NM: On Page 29 of your book, you say, "The examples of fraud manipulation, twisted statistics, and out and out lies about guns by the media are unlimited." How does someone like yourself combat the anti-gun zealots in the media? TN: I do it in a whirlwind fashion. I was on Hannity and Colmes for the third time recently. I was on Conan O'Brien and got some great licks in about guns. I've been on Larry King and Ken Hamblin's show. I've been on Alan Colmes' own liberal radio show. I've been on Rush Limbaugh and G. Gordon Liddy's show. I'm on every major talk show across this country - every Christian talk show, every rock station in this country - and I always get the truth conveyed in an entertaining but in a dynamic fashion in that my sources are not only irrefutable, but my presentation of common facts is easily acceptable on an intellectual and a streetwise level. NM: Nations around the world - including Australia, Great Britain, South Africa and Canada - have, for all practical purposes, banned most or all guns in their respective countries. How might this affect people's perspective of our nation's Second Amendment, and can this happen in the U.S.? TN: Well, first of all, people literally sacrificed their lives to try to
[CTRL] Child Molester on Probation
orton face the consequences of his actions, she has become his accessory after the fact. If he has another "impulse" and violates his probation by molesting another child, maybe these two girlfriends could share a cozy little cell together. Twenty to thirty years ought to do it. That's what would happen if this world were perfect. September 19, 2000 Shelley McKinney is a political writer whose work regularly appears in several Internet journals. She takes great pleasure in exposing the politically correct for their lack of logical thought. So, does the Government let more criminals roam the streets so when things get really bad they can "save the day." This would also give them a reason to expand government even more with more criminal catching agencies such as the CIA, ATF FBI. Think about it, Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Globalization/Corporations
By Joan Veon © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com Fifty-five years after the founding of the United Nations in 1945, the heads of state, rulers and princes of this world are coming together to examine both the successes and failures of the United Nations and to dialogue about its future and the pressing need to add a "People's Parliament" or international representative government to its structure. Ten blocks from the United Nations another meeting is being sponsored by the Gorbachev State of the World Forum, which not only mirrors the goals and objectives of the United Nations but is looking to help implement them. The speakers at the State of the World include many heads of United Nations' agencies and commissions, heads of state, spiritual leaders, chief executive officers from major corporations and numerous other global groups. What do these two meetings have in common? Globalization. Globalization has been defined many ways. Basically it is the tearing down of borders between countries. Over the last thirty years, political, economic, trade, electronic, and social barriers have been erased rendering the world one and not separate nation-states, as most people still believe. This was followed by a philosophical change in how the world would be governed. What is happening in New York this week is a merging of all of the various components of globalization which are coming together under a new entity which they call "governance." While they adamantly state it is not world government, the reader will have to determine for his or herself what is true. In 1980 President Reagan started the integration of countries by passing the Depositary Institution Deregulation and Monetary Control Act, also known as the 1980 Deregulation Act which erased laws prohibiting Americans from investing outside the United States and allowing foreigners to invest here. At the same time, the other Group of Seven countries -- Britain, Italy, France, Canada, Japan and Germany were passing similar laws. This resulted not only in a flurry of global and foreign mutual funds investing in countries outside of America, but it created a $2 trillion borderless flow of money, which travels around the world daily looking for the quickest play or highest return. The finances of America are being integrated with the finances of the other countries of the world. This was followed by the end of the Cold War in 1989 and 1990, when communism was able to fall in Russia without one bullet being fired. With its fall, the world became one politically since we are told we have no enemies to fight. In an interview with Jim Garrison, president of the Gorbachev State of the World Forum, he told me that Gorbachev was driven from office when he tried to restructure the Soviet Union by dragging it kicking and screaming into the globalization age. Trade barriers between the countries of the world were eliminated in 1992 when Congress passed the 25,000-page General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs. Borderless trade has given rise to a new powerful actor on the world stage: the transnational corporation which transcends borders. From a social and environmental standpoint, the United Nations began laying a foundational shift in how the world is governed back in the 1970s when they hosted a series of international conferences on the environment, women's issues, population reduction, food, and housing/cities. Twenty years later, the U.N. revisited these issues with a new set of conferences on the same subjects. The Rio Earth Summit is pivotal. In 1992 the United Nations sponsored the Conference on Environment and Development, called the "Rio Earth Summit." There a very radical environmental agenda was unveiled -- the effects of which are only now being felt and understood by the American people. In Rio the United Nations presented their new environmental philosophy by which the world should be governed which basically points in the direction of world government, i.e. the United Nations as caretaker of the world and its resources. This document known as "Agenda 21" perverts Genesis, Chapter 1, by insisting that the earth has dominance over man instead of man having dominance over the earth. This new philosophy is the worship of mother earth, "Gaia." These ideas now constitute the new way in which the world is being managed. In March 1993, President Clinton announced his program to reinvent the government. He said, "We intend to redesign, to reinvent, to reinvigorate the entire national government." To do this, the administration set up the National Performance Review which said that power needed to be transferred from Congress to the executive branch and the bureaucracy. The new core of our own government is public-private partnerships. A public-private partnership is a partnership (business arrangement which has profit as its goal) between government and business, along with non-governmental organizations who perform the daily chores of the partnership. The word
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
In a message dated 9/2/00 7:24:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You guys really live in la-la land don't you? You need to get real. I am in a very real world, but it is out west, not back east. First of all VERY FEW PEOPLE OWN GUNS. That's right. You have lots of guns out there, but a small percentage of the population owns all of them. What facts do you have to support this supposition? This better sink in if you think you are going to take on the most powerful force in history. A very small force of people took on the US military many years ago and won. The US military was very powerful then, but not now; it is a skeleton force at best. Vietnam did this with rifles against thousands of aircraft with an unlimited budget for bombs and against choppers that as thick as fireflies in a Georgia summer night. As for militias, you can discount about half of the militia's membership in an insurrection. Half of those are FBI agents. I wouldn't count on militia people, they are just overgrown boys playing soldier as far as I can see, never met one in person. Mostly a bunch of wannabes. Most importantly, the majority of citizens would not care much if the government wanted to take away guns. That means that gov would have a green light to deal with gun nuts and militia types. Just what is your definition of a "gun nut?'" What makes you think that the military would turn into ATF agents and confiscate guns on the orders of some college-educated officer puke? I was in the USAF for 20 years and many in the armed forces support the right to bear arms against an oppressive government (the true meaning of the second amendment). For eight of those years I worked hand-in-hand with the Army and I know they wouldn't like this idea; most of them are gun owners themselves. If you doubt this, I would remind you of how much the general population cares about Waco. Those people are dead, I am not. Those people were religious and didn't have the stomach for killing ... I am not religious and am fully prepared to defend myself against any hostile person or persons who try to disarm me. As for Waco, the sheep who call themselves people believe everything they hear on the nightly news ... yeah right. Be warned! I understand and have heeded the warning, that's why I'm prepared for the worst should it happen. What will you do? Once the guns are gone the government need not hide their fascist agenda any longer. Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Give up guns, or go to war? What do you think?
In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:06:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Involuntary wrote: Well, as anybody on this lists knows, an individual's right to bear arms is in danger. What do you think will happen? (a) If laws are enacted, people will give their guns up to the government. I doubt many will give in to this demand. Some will, but most people I know will never turn in their weapons voluntarily. (b) If laws are enacted, people will not give up their guns and police will have to enter homes and take them by force. This is where I stand. If the government tries to confiscate weapons by going door-to-door I have no doubt that they will be met with deadly force. There are more people that own guns than there are people to confiscate them. Another question here is that many people own guns that are not registered in their name ... they bought them from an individual who has the weapon registered in their name. If the government only goes after registered owners, then there will still be millions of weapons out there and the government has no idea of who owns them. (c) If laws are enacted, and if cops or militaries try to take guns from militias, the militias will fight back with everything they have, possibly even attempting a coup at the White House. Are there really that many militias out there? Surely they wouldn't have the strength to attack the White House. (d) If (c) happens, then individuals not belonging to a militia might join the fight and start another war, this time between citizens and the government and law enforcement. I'm thinking along the lines of C and D, myself. Ty If that scenario happens, many in government and law enforcement will switch over against the government. The bill of rights protects (or is supposed to) our rights to keep and bear arms. If the government tries to toss the second amendment completely without changing the Constitution ... I'll be on the side thats against the government. And who do you think would win Einstein? J2 The government would be crushed. Who is going to fight??? Clinton, no way he's a coward. Bush, no way he's a talker not a doer. Gore - don't make me laugh. Not everyone is in love with our shitty government. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] potty training men
Maybe if a guy has to sit to do his thing, then he isn't a guy, or is so politically correct that he's going to take orders from women ... maybe he's just a wimp. Maybe what this is really about is pure penis envy. Maybe next they'll want men to shave their legs, what bullshit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I WAS DICK CHENEY'S SEX SLAVE'
In a message dated 00-08-09 09:48:18 EDT, Prudy writes: Truth or fantasy, wouldn't it be wonderful if all these women who sleep or don't sleep with every man who becomes a public figure just shut up about it? It was better in the old days when the women were vilified for such behavior. At least they didn't insist on telling you all about it. Prudy I would agree with you if she only had sex with this person, but according to her she was forced into prostitution by an agency of the government. To me this is much more than sex and should be brought out in the open to reflect on Cheney and on the government itself. If this did actually happen, those responsible should be prosecuted for their actions, but knowing the way the government operates it is more likely that this woman would be brought up on charges of prostitution rather than the CIA going on trial. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
In a message dated 00-08-06 03:26:09 EDT, Mike Smith writes: I keep reading posts to the effect of "fight and save America while we still can". Look people, that's NOT gonna happen. Not in your lifetime nor mine. I suppose one could even say it's preordained or prophesied. I am sorry to rain on your 4th of July parade, but there will be no saving of America no matter how many guns you have stashed. Should I presume you are from England or Australia since they have given up their guns and made themselves defenseless against their government? I can't speak for everyone on this list, nor can I speak for most people on this list, but I can tell you we are Americans. We won't sit idle and watch our liberty be taken from us without a fight. Talking does little to protect freedom, action is required. Our Constitution gives us the right to end our government and start over should the present government become an untenable tyranny. The United States was formed because we were oppressed by the Monarch of our country and fought and won our freedom, not by talking but by fighting. You seem to have a defeatist attitude and it is doubtful you would have the stomach to end a tyranny. When the criminals in Congress decide to forcibly remove arms from the hands of private citizens that is when many Americans will have had their fill of the fascist state. Most of us are not so naïve to believe that government will listen to our cries for freedom. Government is Force, excessive use of Force; the only way to overcome force is by more force. Government has two choices, either return freedom, or relinquish control of the Republic. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] General Observations
In a message dated 00-08-05 11:06:17 EDT, Bob Tatman writes: "Violence is always a copout. Violence is the lazy person's answer to problems." It is *so* easy to whip out a gun, snarl in Eastwood-esque voice "Go ahead, make my day," and blow away the other guy. Violence perpetrated on them is probably the only thing that politicians are afraid of. When someone pulls a gun on you are you going to plead with him or her not to shoot you, or will you pull a gun and kill them first. It is your right to protect yourself and if they have a gun aimed at you; you have every right to kill them for they are threatening you with death. If you initiate the "violence" then you deserve what you get. Do you not see that government is killing us every chance they get. They kill us with drugs that do not cure ills. They kill us with their special police forces that do not have to answer for their misdeeds. They may even shoot down civilian aircraft with missles. They send our young men and women to war to further their chances at becoming rich. Government gives Corporations the "freedom" to kill at will with unsafe working conditions, faulty products, low wages, pollution and many more hidden problems in the making. The government's "War on Drugs" is an even bigger can of shit. It is much harder to see the other guy as a human being, with emotions, fears, and loves that just might be the same as yours if you only took the time to look. These other guys are messing with us daily and care not whether we live or die. We are not much more than cattle to them. I feel no pity for one who puts himself/herself above all others and obviously they do not pity me or other common people. The "enemy" is made up of a whole lot of individuals, each one unique, each one equally our sister or brother. This sounds like the socialist crap they teach in schools and you appear to be wanting to fall for it Why? These rich people who control our lives are not my brothers or sisters. Love your enemy as yourself and he/she will use that against you every time. That is one way religion is used to suppress the masses. Let the bad guys stick it to you, but you should turn the other cheek and feel sorry for them get real. Who translated the Bible, not common people, but scholars (so deemed by the emperor) who work for the emperor. Would a God tell you to follow rules made by men, I sincerely doubt that, but there it is in the Bible to keep the peace and follow the laws of the emperor. The socialist religion says the same thing God is your government, it is your Mommy and Daddy and will take care of you be an adult you do not need government to care for you. Sure, I know it's easier to deal with people as groups, to stereotype them with their group characteristics, so that all cops are brutal, all politicians are corrupt, all businessmen interested in only the bottom line... But the hard truth is that some cops are actually gentle and caring; some politicians are actually honest; some businessmen are actually interested in the welfare of their workers. Here you have named the exceptions rather than the rules. If five percent were the exception it would amaze me. The hard truth is that most law officers start out as very caring people who want to serve and protect. They are jaded through the years. They see only the worst part of society and it is very hard to stick to your principles when it seems most of the world is out to get you. I've never met an honest politician, ever. Businessmen who care about the welfare of their workers? Maybe a middle level manager or a line lead, but those at the top could care less about the people that make money for them. I've seen this in action and worked for several corporations. They care so much about their workers that they send the business to some foreign country because it saves money and the shareholders like that. The shareholders could save even more money if they fired American management and sent that to a third world foreign country. Do not forget that our government condones and even supports loss of American jobs by giving corporations tax advantages Business pukes are as bad as politicians, if not worse. "Look behind that bush, for it is not a bush." If you are trying to build a society based on cooperation and mutual aid, you have to learn to trust *everyone*, even your enemies. I trust my enemies to "bend me over" every chance they get. I watch my back because they are to cowardly for a frontal assault. A society based on co-operation and mutual aid is not impossible, but has never worked, man is too greedy. And that is the hardest lesson of all. ...And it is a lesson I am *still* trying to learn, with only mixed success. I tried being Mr. Nice Guy. All that happened is that I was taken for a sucker. Walk softly and carry a .4
Re: [CTRL] From Bad to Worse
. I'm also not naive enough to believe that Joe Paycheck and his 30-30 are gong to make a difference in stopping the New World Order. Sure... you'll kill a few of them, but that's all it will accomplish. I don't believe people in the US will ever totally knuckle-under to the NWO. Even if they win they will be harassed with bombings, shootings, buildings set on fire until people will rise up and overtake them. There are many more of us than there are of them, 200 million goes into 2 million as many times as they want. You've got me all wrong Mr. Stokes. I'm not afraid to fight back at the system. Allow me to clarify. I would very much like to be a thorn in the govt's side. The difference between you and I in this regard is that you think you can win. I beleive the NWO is inevitable but that should not stop me from throwing as many obstacles in their way as I can. IOW You fight back to win. (which you wont) I fight back just to piss them off. (it does) I fight back as you put it more than anyone I know here in Colorado Springs. I have tried to form groups, but most people are all fired up at first, then they get bored and quit. I send emails and snail mail to my representatives in Congress about every other week. I'm sure it pisses them off because all I get back is form letters, if that. They know what they are doing and they know they are corrupt and I take every opportunity to point that out to them. On my return address I point out that I live in a trailer, I'm sure that gets in their craw, some low-life trailer person telling them what to do. Keep fighting back in your own way and I will also, but here is where we may differ. When the time for talking is over I'll stand my ground till they have to kill me, but they trained me and know what I'm capable of doing. I'll use that against them. I'll bet that many people will be standing with me facing down this NWO, they have already done so in Seattle, in France and other places in this world. Many people will join the fight when they see things happening around them such as Waco or TWA800. None of the 50-60 people at my former job trust the government and they range in age from 18 to 62 and are Black, White, Christian, Moslem, Agnostics, Hispanics, Gays, Liberals and Conservatives. The NWO will screw-up and overstep their boundaries and when they do they will be met by force. As I said we outnumber them hundreds of thousands, if not millions to one. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Most Ethical Administration In History
What is this a TROLL? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Civil Rights
http://justfacts.com/racial_issues.htm#slavery Civil Rights * After the Civil War, the United States government kept federal military troops in the South. Black people began to vote in significant numbers. Two blacks were elected to the U.S. Senate and 20 were elected to the House of Representatives. In 1877, all federal troops left the South. (58) * Local governments in the South created voting literacy tests. Since it was against the law to teach a slave to read, most blacks in the South could not pass these tests. In some localities, the payment of a voting fee was required in order to vote. This effectively prohibited most blacks and poor whites from voting. (59)(58) * In the early 1890s, Republicans in the House of Representatives passed a voting rights bill by a vote of 155-149. The law was intended to protect the rights of blacks to vote. At the time, Democrats in the Senate were blocking another bill that the Republicans wanted to pass. The Republicans cut a deal with the Democrats to drop the voting rights bill in exchange for allowing the other bill to go forward. (57) * Between 1889 and 1918, 2522 black people were lynched. (57) * By 1901, the number of black voters in Louisiana had fallen from a high of 130,000 to 1,342. (57) * In 1901, George White of North Carolina left the House of Representatives. He was the last black person in Congress until 1965. (57) * In 1964, a civil rights bill was passed by Congress and signed into law by Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson. The law provided for enforcement of the "constitutional right to vote," and made it unlawful to for employers to discriminate against people based upon their race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. (60) * As of February of 2000, Al Gores web site contains a written transcript and video of a speech that Gore made on the topic of civil rights. Gore's transcript reads: My commitment to civil rights is a deeply personal one. I watched my father when he was, a U.S. Senator from Tennessee, take courageous stands for civil rights. He opposed the poll tax in the 40s, and supported civil rights in the 50s, he supported voting rights in 1963, and was one of two Southern Senators to refuse to sign the hateful Southern Manifesto opposing integration in our schools. He lost his Senate seat because his [sic] stands. (61) * R.D. Davis, a member of Project 21 (a black conservative organization), researched the voting records from the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and found: - Al Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. - Al Gore Sr. participated in a 74 day filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation. - Al Gore Sr. proposed an amendment to the Civil Rights Act that would have kept federal funds flowing to schools that defied court desegregation orders. It was defeated by a vote of 74-25. 23 Democrats and 1 Republican voted for it. (62)(63) * As of 1999, posted on Bill Bradleys web site is a transcript of a speech he gave entitled, Why I Am a Democrat. In it, Bradley states: For me, the crucial moment came one hot June evening, when the Senate voted on the Civil Rights Act. I was in a corner of the Senate chamber, looking on. But that night I became a Democrat, because I knew in my heart that I belonged with the party who had worked hardest to make America a better place for everybody. (64) * 69% of Democrats in the Senate voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. 82% of Republicans in the Senate voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (62)(63) * In the same speech Bradley stated: And yes, we are the party that said all people really are created equal, and passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to make that the law of the land. (64) * 63% of Democrats in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it was signed into law by Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson. 79% of Republicans in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (62)(63) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A
[CTRL] Affirmative Action
http://justfacts.com/racial_issues.htm#affirmative more racial information available at the site. Affirmative Action Note: To avoid the confusion that has surrounded the definition of term, affirmative action, we are supplying 3 examples for the purpose of understanding the facts contained in this section: Example 1 (Outreach): A college conducts an outreach in minority communities to inform people and encourage attendance at the school. Facts regarding this type of affirmative action are not covered, because our research did not find anyone that objected to this type of action. Example 2 (Set-asides): A city sets aside 20% of their contracts and only allows minority owned businesses to bid on them. Facts regarding this type of affirmative action will be covered. Example 3 (Preferences): A business is evaluating applicants for a position they need to fill. The business factors the race of the applicants into the selection process. Facts regarding this type of affirmative action will be covered. * The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a non-profit organization. Their web site states they are the "nation's foremost advocate of individual rights", and are "devoted exclusively to protecting the basic civil liberties of all Americans." (65) * The ACLUs Briefing Paper on Affirmative Action states that affirmative action programs do not grant preferences based on race. (66) (emphasis added) * Proposition 209 was an initiative put on California's election ballot in 1996. It reads: "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting." (67)(emphasis added) * The ACLU opposed it. (68) * Proposition 209 was passed by the voters of California in 1996. (69) * After Proposition 209 passed, the ACLU attempted to have a federal district court overturn it. The Clinton Department of Justice filed a friend of the court brief supporting the ACLU in this effort. (70) * As of February 2000, the ACLUs Briefing Paper on Affirmative Action reads: There exists widespread confusion about what constitutes affirmative action and what does not. Much of this confusion can be laid at the doorstep of the anti-affirmative action movement which has deliberately distorted the definition and goals of this legal remedy. It also states: 1965 The term affirmative action is used for the first time by President Johnson in E.O. 11246, requiring federal contractors to take affirmative action to ensure equality of employment. (66) * The term "affirmative action" was not used for the first time by President Johnson in 1965. It was used for the first time by President John F. Kennedy in 1961 (Executive Order 10925.) The order reads: it is plain and positive obligation of the United States Government to promote and ensure equal opportunity for all qualified persons, without regard to race, creed, color, or national origin (71)(72) * The executive order makes no mention of using race as a factor in hiring, firing, or contracting. Three times in this executive order, when Kennedy addresses the topic of race, he uses the words without regard to. (72) * The Democratic National Committee opposed Proposition 209. (73) * Their position paper on Proposition 209 states that they support affirmative action programs, provided they meet Bill Clintons standards of fairness which he outlined in 1995. The first standard is: no quotas in theory or in practice (73) * The 1996 Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee require that the racial composition of the delegates from each state is equal to the racial composition of the voters from each state. (74) * Bill Clintons "second standard of fairness" is: no illegal discrimination of any kind, including reverse discrimination (73) * A memo was circulated by the Clinton administration Defense Department that stated: In the future, special permission will be required for the promotion of all white men without disabilities. (74) * Bill Clinton's "third standard of fairness" is: "no preference for people who are not qualified" (73) * The Clinton administration Federal Aviation Authority published a "diversity handbook", which stated: "The merit promotion process is but one means of filling vacancies, which need not be utilized if it will not promote your diversity goals." A Federal Aviation Authority job announcement stated: "Applicants who meet the qualification requirements . . . cannot be considered for this position . . . Only those applicants who do not meet the Office of Personnel Management
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]
In a message dated 00-07-20 02:40:19 EDT, nessie writes: What we need to control is everyday life. Most of everyday life is now controlled, not by the government but by the corporations. I see corps and govt as the same thing. Corps are in my pocket stealing from me by not paying a decent wage and govt steals half of that piss-poor pay for taxes to pay govt. and subsidize the corps. To me, both are thieves and murderers. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]
In a message dated 00-07-19 18:50:51 EDT, Joshua2 writes: Typical Libertarian poopy doopy. As if parents have the time , ability, or desire to teach their children a school type curriculum. More parents might have the time if both of them didn't have to work to make ends meet. Thanks to exorbitant taxes and low pay from most corporations. Better yet, WE should decide ALL aspects of government spending. ALL. Politicians can plan and make proposals, but not one cent gets allocated for ANYTHING without public approval. This is not at all hard to do. Now you're talking. It seems our Republican form of government isn't working the way it was designed because of all the legalized bribery that goes on. It might work if bribes were made illegal and those taking bribes were prosecuted. I like the idea of the public approving expenditures, that way politicians couldn't pay for their bribes doing favors for those who paid them and the bribes would soon stop. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]
In a message dated 00-07-19 22:24:10 EDT, nessie writes: if bribes were made illegal . . . the bribes would soon stop. Sure. Just like drugs did when they were made illegal. You seem to have missed a few words. "It might work if bribes were made illegal and those taking bribes were prosecuted. I like the idea of the public approving expenditures, that way politicians couldn't pay for their bribes doing favors for those who paid them and the bribes would soon stop." My point is that if the money-making profit motive was removed, then bribes would be ineffective. The corporations aren't going to give money to someone without a good chance of increasing profits. Drugs were made illegal so the government could sell them at a great profit. It also provides a convenient excuse to jail people who aren't hurting anyone except "maybe" themselves. Nicotine is extremely harmful and addictive, I know I couldn't stop smoking when the reward was great. Only the "little people" can get busted for drugs. I personally think the only way to control this "out of control" crooked government is by radical means. Voting is a joke. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]
In a message dated 00-07-17 11:01:40 EDT, Joshua2 forwards: A HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS, EVERY ONE OF THEM TAKEN FROM U.S. WORKERS UNDER THREAT OF JAIL TIME, FOR TINY ISRAEL AND ITS TINY PALESTINIAN POPULATION TO MAKE NICE (UNTIL A NEW PRESIDENT TAKES OFFICE, ANYWAY, WHEN THEY'LL EXPECT ANOTHER OBSCENE HANDOUT -- REMEMBER PRESIDENT CARTER'S MULTI-BILLION-DOLLAR "CAMP DAVID ACCORDS"?) It's not just Israel or the Arab states; we tend to give money to most of the world it seems. We don't even get to vote on how much of our money the politicians give away. Meanwhile . . . U.S. citizens can't walk in Central Park in broad daylight without being sexually assaulted (recall the June "wilding" attack in which one woman was stripped naked while dozens of others were sexually groped and vaginally fingered by Black and Puerto Rican thugs). You can prosecute these thugs, but maybe a better answer would be to educate them so they could have better jobs, then they wouldn't feel so helpless to change their lot in life. If the laws in NYC weren't restricted so only criminals, the police and the "Rich" can carry guns ... some of the Thugs wouldn't be around right now and the other thugs would think twice before assaulting someone. U.S. college students from struggling working class and middle class homes have to work to earn tuition money when they should be studying. Is going to college without working part of the American dream. I couldn't attend college till I was 41 years old because of money constraints. Now I find college doesn't mean very much if you earned your degree late in life. Funny thing, seemed to me that high school was harder than college. I worked one job while going to high school and three simultaneously while attending college. Could be that old "dumbing down" thing is for real. Millions of foreigners cross the U.S. border at will annually, head "home" at Christmas time and return in January while shipping billions of U.S. dollars back "home" the rest of the year. That could be stopped easily, but would it serve the hidden interests of government or provide a cheap labor pool for corporations? Millions of U.S. citizens labor in hard, strenuous minimum-wage paying jobs (e.g fast-food joints) with virtually no health insurance. Millions of others have health insurance that's a joke and live in fear of possible future bankruptcy in the knowledge that, "I can't AFFORD to get sick!" Even "Good" health insurance is expensive to use. The wages of Doctors and hospitals have kept up with inflation over the years, but workers wages have declined to the point I wonder why we still work. Someday we have to realize that "Managers" only manage to steal wages earned by workers. Managers are unproductive and seem to get this idea that companies couldn't run without them. Upper management is even worse. In California MILLIONS of the public school aged children of U.S. taxpayers literally attend school in flimsy mobile homes because their school districts lack the money to build REAL BUILDINGS while their teachers are vastly underpaid. Why should we provide education for illegal aliens? Why should we lower the standards for our children by teaching in two languages? Why is it that anyone can be a teacher now? Nurses work double-shifts and are phenomenally underpaid (while doctors -- many of them foreigners -- increasingly spend more time studying the stock market than treating patients.) Hospitals are corporations, HMO's are corporations, Doctors sometimes incorporate themselves. I think Doctors have been "dumbed down" as well as the rest of the population. When I injured my back and could barely walk into the office, the Doctor only gave me a prescription for 800 mg. pills of motrin for pain ... if I had been in better health I would have decked her. I go to another Doctor, wait in the office almost five hours, then he tells me he can't do anything because it should be a workmen's comp. case! So much for healing the sick and all that shit. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Pretty much every-F***ing-thing. Government has gotten so far from what the Constitution originally stated that we don't go by the Constitution now. We go by the whims of government officials, unelected bureaucrats and little hitlers who are obedient to the corporations and foreign countries that bribe them. Government needs a wake-up call ... too bad we can't get it together like the French, who have nation-wide strikes to get in the governments face. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, m
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: $100 BILLION for Israel, Arab phony peace]
In a message dated 00-07-17 13:29:28 EDT, nessie writes: Why is it that anyone can be a teacher now? This is simply untrue and I challange anyone here to prove otherwise. In Tennessee my sister can be a substitute teacher. She has no formal education. She also said that she can be a substitute for as many as thirty days, that seems to be a long time to me for not having any teaching credentials. Also, a friend of mine has been a substitute teacher here in Colorado Springs, she has no formal education. She tried it, but quit because they gave her a high school assignment and she felt intimidated by some of these teenage "kids" in the school. You are right about one thing, we need to spend less on fancy military equipment such as the B-2 or B-1 bomber and more on real education ... I'm still waiting for that payback from being "at-peace." It would save funds if we didn't have to pay federal taxes, then have to beg to get them back from the federal government for education. Education should be habdled by States rather than the Fed. Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Federal Education
1. "Iserbyt provides documentation that Direct Instruction, the latest education reform fad in the classroom, is being institutionalized under the guise of "traditional" phonics thanks to the passage of the unconstitutional Reading Excellence Act of 1998." http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/book.htm 2. "The way we see it is as follows: Mastery Learning/OBE has been used in our southern states with 'right to work' laws and low wages for at least fifteen years. The University of South Carolina was the national center for Mastery Learning (Lorin Anderson) for many years. "Several years ago we noticed how some of the largest European corporations (Mercedes Benz, BMW, etc.) had moved to South Carolina. Why? Refer to Sticht's comment about corporations moving into Third World countries where wages are cheap and workers are manageable and trainable, not necessarily well educated. The lights went on! Could it be that the GOALS 2000/AMERICA 2000 reference to attaining 'World Class Education Standards' really means 'Third World-Class Education Standards?' However, whereas the South has been targeted due to its minority population (as usual!), now the whole country will be targeted with OBE, since we believe that it is possible the United States has been designated 'The Global Work Force Pool.'" http://www.freedomcorner.com/iserbyt.html 3. THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON CIVIC RENEWAL A vital link in the government plan to conform U.S. churches to the UN vision of a sustainable community http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/Civic-Renewal.htm 4. More about Direct Instruction http://www.southern-style.com/thaddeuslott.htm 5. Article by Dave Mundy [Warning about George Bush position] If you oppose the U.S. Department of Education, if you want to abolish it, if you oppose the National Education Association - you must be "anti-education." It's a good, effective lie, told just the way Josef Goebbels said to tell it - told big, and repeated over and over again until everyone starts to believe it's the truth. Texas Governor and Republican presidential nominee-to-be George W. Bush is pushing to have a plank calling for an end to the U.S. Department of Education removed from his party's national platform. We've already seen liberal media pundits congratulating Bush on "finally seeing the light," ending a long period of Republicans looking like they were "anti-education." Like I said, it's a good lie. Those who are seeking to abolish the Department of Education and to break the power of the National Education Association are, if anything, more "pro-education" than the left-wing spinmeisters who created the lie. The Constitution defines very limited powers for the federal government; the Tenth Amendment reserves everything else "to the States, or to the people." Public education isn't listed among the Constititution's array of duties assigned to Congress; it is, therefore, a duty assigned to the states, or to the people. That's not too difficult to understand, is it? Yet even the strictest Constitutionalist probably wouldn't oppose federal meddling in education if that meddling had accomplished anything. That's the problem: instead of improving education, the U.S. Department of Education has done just the opposite. Starting in the late 1960s, the Department of Education unleashed wave after wave of unproven theory masquerading as "new education methods" upon an unsuspecting America, driven by relentless marketing and created not by educators, but by social engineers. Mastery Learning, "New Math," Outcome-Based Education, Whole Language, Creative Spelling and Math, "New Standards," New-New or "Fuzzy" Math, School-to-Work, Goals:2000, Performance-Based Education - the Department of Education fed them all, to the tune of billions of dollars. Yet scores on college-admission exams have been steadily falling since the late 1950s; even "recentering," or artifically inflating them, has not stopped the trend. We have more kids than ever before taking physics - but also more functionally-illiterate high school graduates. Charlotte Iserbyt of Maine, a former Department of Education official, maintains that all the edu-fads and failed methodology have been intentionally designed to "dumb-down" the population, especially urban minorities, to make them a more compliant work force. Take that as you will. Accompanying the aforementioned programs have been literally millions of pages of federal regulations telling local schools what they "must" do to get their "free federal money" (You remember "federal money," right? That's what we complain so loudly about having to send to Washington every April 15!). One estimate holds that for each dollar of "federal money" a school receives, it has to spend three local dollars in compliance costs. You were wondering why modern public education is 200 times more expensive than it was in 1960. Marching in lockstep with the social engineers has been the National Education Association (what a
Re: [CTRL] ** H O T ** NICHOLS PROJECT = CLINTON ain't Leaving! ** H O T **
In a message dated 00-07-02 12:01:24 EDT, you write: The Dept. of Justice has zero experience in these areas. Even if the Attorney General were a widely admired and respected leader, this appointment by Clinton simply doesn't make any sense. Given the reality of the Attorney General we havethis appointment is criminally insane. Reno has only one qualification. She is a totally committed to protect Bill Clinton and to carry out his orders without question and without regard to our Constitution. It is a monumental understatement to say that this appointment of Janet Reno raises many logical and disturbing questions. I doubt that even Clinton has the balls to declare martial law. This would alert everyone to the corruption in government. Of course he would first make it appear that we were in danger from some contrived enemy. Unfortunately many Americans are so "dumbed down" that they would see the pervert as a hero. There are even some on this list that believe Clinton is a victim of the "radical right" rather than a treasonous wimp. All the more reason to be armed to protect youself and family from the real criminals "the corporate controlled government." Regards, Bob Stokes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
