Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showd...

[Jim Rarey]

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The "missing link" is proof that one specie changed into another. There is 
no fossil record to show that. You are dissembling.

Many scientists are now questioning the theory of 
evolution because it has not been proved scientifically. It remains a theory 
with some facts (fossil records) yet to be found that bear it out.

JR

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they keep finding more. The fossil record, though stillnot complete, is more 
than complete enough to demonstrate thevalidity of the theory to any who 
examine the evidence objectively.This, of course, leaves out all those too 
befuddled by primitive,superstitious delusions.More complete is the 
record of mitochondrial DNA.See:http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.htmlBelieve 
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[iNFoWaRZ]

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I see you have swallowed the whole queer propaganda lie, hook, line, and sinker.
The purported facts in your post are total BS.  In other words, they are lies.
As are the opinions in your post although you are entitled to that.
But your post shows who and what you are.
You condemn morality and virtue and praise corruptness and perversion.
At the same time you infer bigotry, though a twisted definition of the same, on those 
that oppose this criminal unnatural behavior, you have managed to expose yourself 
thoroughly as an anti-religious bigot, of the correct definition.
If you beleive you are doing something good, you are wrong.  What good can come from 
tearing down the moral foundations of a nation?


At 05:22 PM 8/10/03 , you wrote:

Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting
adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid
unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease).  Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it
often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy
that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showd...

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:31:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign authority to establish right morals for right living, Gods Word is inerrant and infallible. Thats enough for me.

Bet your bumper sticker says something "witty" like that too eh?
Go you www.truthbeknown.com and learn more than you've every imagined. You're being had buddy. But I suspect you're happy that way.

Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Jim Rarey]

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Romans 6:23 
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ 
Jesus our Lord.
JR

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Much of the Old 
  Testament merely records what men did in violation of God's 
laws.



Much of the Old Testament merely records what men 
did in *obedience* to God's laws.


See:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.shtml

(snip)

Bible AtrocitiesCompiled 
by Donald MorganNOTE: These lists are meant to identify possible 
problems in the Bible, especially problems which are inherent in a 
literalist or fundamentalist interpretation. Some of the selections 
may be resolvable on certain interpretations--after all, almost any problem can 
be eliminated with suitable rationalizations--but it is the reader's obligation 
to test this possibility and to decide whether it really makes appropriate sense 
to do this. To help readers in this task, these lists are aimed at presenting 
examples where problems may exist given certain allowable (but not always 
obligatory) assumptions. It should be kept in mind that a perfect and omnipotent 
God could, should, and likely would see to it that such problems did not exist 
in a book which s/he had inspired.Note: In the Bible, words having to do 
with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with 
love.GE 
3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent 
(the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the "Tree of 
Knowledge of Good and Evil," thereby incurring death for themselves and all of 
mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by 
placing a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life." (Note: God could have done 
the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place and 
would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the 
Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)GE 4:2-8 God's 
arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to 
commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother 
Abel.GE 
34:13-29 The Israelites kill 
Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their 
wealth, cattle, wives and children.GE 6:11-17, 
7:11-24 God is unhappy with 
the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every 
living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes 
himself the greatest mass murderer in history.GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt 
(for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and 
Gomorrah).GE 
38:9 "... whenever he lay 
with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from 
producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put 
him to death."EX 
2:12 Moses murders an 
Egyptian.EX 
7:1, 14, 
9:14-16, 10:1-2, 
11:7 The purpose of the 
devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:to show that he 
is Lord;to show that there is none like him in all the earth;to show his 
great power;to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;to 
give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;to show that 
he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of 
Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites 
reside.EX 
12:29 The Lord kills all the 
first-born in the land of Egypt.EX 17:13 With the 
Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death 
with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too 
quickly.EX 
32:27 "Put every man his 
sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and 
slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his 
neighbor.EX 
32:27-29 With the Lord's 
approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their 
enemies will "fall before your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your 
children."LE 
26:29, DT 28:53, JE 
19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their 
own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)NU 11:33 The Lord 
smites the people with a great plague.NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had 
spoken against Moses.NU 15:32-36 A 
Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to dea

Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Bob Cooper]

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Suggestion:  Read the entire first chapter of the book of
Romans.  Not only does the Word
specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but it also condemns those who accept
it, thus approve of it as a way of life. 
God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign
authority to establish right morals for right
living, Gods Word is inerrant and
infallible.  Thats enough for me.



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In II Timothy
3:16 we are told all scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of God (comes from
God). Since Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word and
theWord was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the condemnations of
homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should answer your question. If it
doesn't it must be because you don't believe the Bible. If so, why bother
asking for chapter andverse?











JR











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The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus

Where exactly did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Be specific. Cite the
chapter and verse.






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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Steve Wingate]

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It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover their heads.
However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally.
Sometimes people say stupid stuff and someone writes it down. Does this mean your God 
has
ordained this? I hope not. People are too flakey to be spokesmen for God, not that 
there
actually is one. I challenge anyone here to prove there is God. You cannot because it
does not exist.

If the ET who called himself God did not like gays, it's likely because he wanted 'his
people' to be fruitful and multiply. Notice he did not say be like fruit and reproduce
thyself. (Sorry. ;-)

Steve

On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:29, Bob Cooper wrote:

 Suggestion:  Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans.  Not
 only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but it
 also condemns those who “accept” it, thus approve of it as a way of
 life.  God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign
 authority to establish “right” morals for “right” living, God’s Word is
 inerrant and infallible.  That’s enough for me.


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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Jim Rarey]

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Of course belief in God is a matter of faith, not scientific evidence, just 
like belief in evolution. Much of the Old Testament merely records what men did 
in violation of God's laws.

JR

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-Caveat Lector-It is also written in the bible that women 
are unclean and should cover their heads.However, these are words of men. 
Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally.Sometimes people say 
stupid stuff and someone writes it down. Does this mean your God hasordained 
this? I hope not. People are too flakey to be spokesmen for God, not that 
thereactually is one. I challenge anyone here to prove there is God. You 
cannot because itdoes not exist.If the ET who called himself God did 
not like gays, it's likely because he wanted 'hispeople' to be fruitful and 
multiply. Notice he did not say be like fruit and reproducethyself. (Sorry. 
;-)SteveOn 10 Aug 2003 at 20:29, Bob Cooper wrote: 
Suggestion: Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans. 
Not only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but 
it also condemns those who "accept" it, thus approve of it as a way 
of life. God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the 
sovereign authority to establish "right" morals for "right" living, 
God's Word is inerrant and infallible. That's enough for 
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

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On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 05:56:03PM -0400, iNFoWaRZ wrote:
I see you have swallowed the whole queer propaganda lie, hook, line, and sinker.
The purported facts in your post are total BS.  In other words, they are lies.

The anonymous iNFoWaRZ has not given any evidence to disprove
anything that I wrote.

As are the opinions in your post although you are entitled to that.
But your post shows who and what you are.
You condemn morality and virtue

I totally support morality and virtue, which consist of helping
people (and other living things) and not harming them.

The anonymous iNFoWaRZ has not given any evidence that
homosexuality (when performed with the usual precautions
necessary for any sexual activity) harms anyone.

and praise corruptness

Corruptness basically means being of such a nature as to do
harm, and homosexuality does not do harm, so his statement is
false.

and perversion.

Perversion simply means a sexual or other act of which the
speaker disapproves.  One person's perversion is another
person's snuggly love.

At the same time you infer bigotry, though a twisted definition
of the same, on those that oppose this

Bigotry in this context means the unjustified hatred of
innocent people -- those who are doing no harm.  That is
exactly what these anti-gay messages express.

criminal

Many harmless behaviors have been legislated to be considered
criminal.  Sometimes this legislation has been rescinded.
Consensual adult sex, the publication and broadcast of sexual
material, the growing, manufacture, sale, and use of non-injurious
herbs and drugs, and many other non-harmful acts have been
declared criminal.  The label criminal has no reliable
correlation with morality (i.e., not doing harm).

unnatural behavior,

Homosexual behavior is widespread in all human cultures, and
in many other animal species.  It is definitely natural.

you have managed to expose yourself thoroughly as an
anti-religious bigot, of the correct definition.

I can substantiate all the statements I made about fundamentalist
Judaeo-Christian religions, with quotes from the Bible and
historical facts.

If you beleive you are doing something good, you are wrong.
What good can come from tearing down the moral foundations of
a nation?

Putting forth a sane, pro-human definition of morality -- Don't
harm people; help them -- is very beneficial to every nation.

At 05:22 PM 8/10/03 , you wrote:

Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting
adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid
unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease).  Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it
often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy
that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.

The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that
all may live happily and successfully.  Therefore the only basis
of morality that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone.

By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual
people are not immoral (as such) in any way.

The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the
influence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions.  These
religions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders
and holy books have variously advocated and praised the
genocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder of
women who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents of
other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.

HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual
population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with
the virus (probably intentionally).  That is an appropriate topic
of discussion for this list.  The spewing of murderous hatred
against harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion,
is not.

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[Jim Rarey]

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When did they (the so-called scientists) find the missing link?

JR

- Original Message - 
From: Eric 
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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 12:29 AM
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in 'showd...
-Caveat Lector-Wow, I had NO idea you people were so 
uptight! I'd figure anybody smartenough to see through the fog and 
lies of the current political climatecould also see through the fog and lies 
of the anti-gay agenda propogatedby the *EXACT SAME 
FORCES*.Sheesh. Mark S. Bilk nailed it, though. His 
reasoned, thoughtful responsewas right on the money. Way to go, 
Mark. Now where are the rest of you?I'm hoping you're too busy out 
there standing up for human rights, fightingthe hate-mongering religious 
wackos sputtering monosyllabic diatribes abouthow we should all "repent" as 
the end is nigh or something... (Hey, theend may very well be nigh, 
but we'd be better off increasing fuelefficiency than hassling people about 
who they love...)And YOU, "iNFoWaRZ" -- if that IS your real name, heh 
heh (are you really ateenage hacker?) -- to you I'd ask: Where is the 
morality indiscrimination, bigotry, and hate? As you seem to have 
cornered the marketon the latter, I'd like to see a bit of the 
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Nessie SFBG]

Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING:
U.N.
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Silly boy that you are. Here you are attempting
to change God?s creation when your personal imbittered battle is with
God Himself. Let?s see who wins. Be gone with
you.




It just so happens
that God is a personal friend of mine. I asked God about you. God said
you were full of crap.

"Such language!" I said, "and from Your mouth, too. Why, I'm
shocked, simply shocked."

"Oh get off it," said God, " I'm God. I can say anything I
damn please. Besides, there's nothing wrong with crap. I invented
crap. Crap is good. But you're supposed to put it on your garden,
not between your ears."

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showd...

[William Shannon]

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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:50:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I can vouch for invalidity of that website. The author is a new age pagan female anti-Christ who's works are the epitome of distortion and lies.
She has twisted historical facts and has absolutely no grasp of reality.
Even her works on politics, science, and her own "religion" are total bullshit.
This is one twisted woman.
The truth is far from her.
Truthbeknown.com?
Not on this website.
Avoid it like the plague.

Acharya is a personal friend of mine...and you obviously are clueless. 
A true-believe aren't you?
Moron.

Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Jim Rarey]

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In II Timothy 3:16 we are told all scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of 
God (comes from God). Since Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word 
and theWord was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became 
flesh and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the 
condemnations of homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should answer your 
question. If it doesn't it must be because you don't believe the Bible. If so, 
why bother asking for chapter andverse?

JR

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-Caveat Lector-The wrongs you list are perversions of 
the gospel preached by JesusWhere exactly did Jesus condemn 
homosexuality? Be specific. Cite thechapter and verse.
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Bob Cooper]

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Unfortunately for your hardened and rebellious heart towards God you've
already paved your way to spend eternity with the father of lies, Satan.
Clearly you've elected not to accept or believe in God, through God's
gift to all mankind... free will to choose.   Scripture tells us do
not cast pearls (wisdom) to swine for they will trample them under
foot.  God's Word also tells us that the wisdom of man is but folly to
God.  Enough said.

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It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover
their heads.
However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken
literally.
Sometimes people say stupid stuff and someone writes it down. Does this
mean your God has
ordained this? I hope not. People are too flakey to be spokesmen for
God, not that there
actually is one. I challenge anyone here to prove there is God. You
cannot because it
does not exist.

If the ET who called himself God did not like gays, it's likely because
he wanted 'his
people' to be fruitful and multiply. Notice he did not say be like fruit
and reproduce
thyself. (Sorry. ;-)

Steve

On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:29, Bob Cooper wrote:

 Suggestion:  Read the entire first chapter of the book of Romans.  Not
 only does the Word specifically condemn homosexuality/lesbianism but
it
 also condemns those who accept it, thus approve of it as a way of
 life.  God inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the
sovereign
 authority to establish right morals for right living, Gods Word
is
 inerrant and infallible.  Thats enough for me.


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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages

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the homophobic community has a perfect right to practice whatever
flavor of superstition it wishes, but they do NOT have the right to
impose their superstitious agenda upon the rest of society...


Hear! Hear!

They especially do not have the right to use the armed might of the
state to impose it.
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showd...

[John A. O'Neal]

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At 01:41 PM 08/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
-Caveat Lector- 
The missing link is proof that one specie changed into
another. There is no fossil record to show that. You are
dissembling.

Many scientists are now questioning the theory of evolution
because it has not been proved scientifically. It remains a theory with
some facts (fossil records) yet to be found that bear it out.

JR
Two words that are thrown about, all too liberally these days, are
: homophobe and racist . Disagree
with or say anything about a homosexual or their lifestyle, you're called
a homophobe. Disagree with or say anything about a black ,
brown or yellow person or their actions or inactions and you're called a
racist (IF, you're Caucasian, that is...we're even told there
can be NO colored racists). Sad  Both words presume
a exaggerated fear and/or hatred of
perverts or non-white persons. There are, without a doubt, many out there
who possess those traits. Speaking for myself, however, I
fear nothing that walks, crawls, flies or
slithers, breathes oxygen, eats, defecates or dies. Also, I don't
hate anyone...regardless of what they are, do or
believe. I may *choose* to dislike, not condone or disassociate myself
with them, their actions or their beliefs, but, that is my right ( It's
God-given, too). So, now that the air is cleared and
the cards are face up, this is one observation..
It seems that the following list members:
RevCOAL
NessieSFBG
William Shannon
Eric Hoffman
Steve Wingate
Mark S. Bilk
did not take, slept in class or flunked Anatomy 101 and should take
a remedial course, as soon as possible. In the meantime, I think there is
a site, somewhere on the Net, having to do with, How Things Work Or
Are Supposed to Work, if not perverted by deviation from the
normal. Here are some Keywords they might use in the Search
Engine:

Sexual Intercourse
Human Reproduction
Penis
testicles
prostate
Vagina
clitoris
Uterus
Womb
fallopian tubes
mouth
tongue
teeth
glottis
throat
egg
sperm
fertilization
intestines
colon
rectum
anus
feces
defecation  
They may learn something ! :)
JAO



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 When did they (the so-called scientists) find the missing link?


Long ago, and they keep finding more. The fossil record, though still
not complete, is more than complete enough to demonstrate the
validity of the theory to any who examine the evidence objectively.
This, of course, leaves out all those too befuddled by primitive,
superstitious delusions.
More complete is the record of mitochondrial DNA.
See:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.html

Believe is what stupid people do instead of find out the truth for themselves.
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Zuukie]

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If you take community institutions and relationships, family,
acquaintances, friends, children, the schools, etc. out of the picture
you might be right.  If those two consenting adults find a box somewhere
in the outback and stay in it forever and ever, you might be right.
Tell me, how is it that we are to believe that everything is connected
in the environment and society but that sexual activity affects no one
but the two people who are doing it.

You write:
Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often
brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise
might lead to frustration and anger.
Are you suggesting free public brothels might bring an end to
frustration and anger in the world? How interesting.

You write:  Do not harm anyone.  Do you tell them:  I didn't harm you
so shut up.!  Fascinating.  Does this mean that you will determine if
another is to feel hurt, anger or frustration.?  Talk about emotional
control and allowing others to determine their own feelings!

How tolerant and broadminded of you to recognize that your views are
those of the new elite  and that us who disagree with you can discard
thousands of years of discussion on the same topic because, grand guy
that you are, have discovered what the cavemen liked to do prior to the
coming of civilization.







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Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from
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Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting adults
-- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid unwanted
pregnancy and transmission of disease).  Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often
brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise
might lead to frustration and anger.

The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that all
may live happily and successfully.  Therefore the only basis of morality
that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone.

By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual people are
not immoral (as such) in any way.

The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the influence of
fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions.  These religions are in many
ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders and holy books have
variously advocated and praised the genocide of many millions of people,
as well as the murder of women who have sex before marriage, the murder
of adherents of other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.

HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual
population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with the
virus (probably intentionally).  That is an appropriate topic of
discussion for this list.  The spewing of murderous hatred against
harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion, is not.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600, Ctrl wrote:
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I can't believe that whining sniveling jizz gobbler (Svend Robinson)
has been the incumbent politician for as long as he has.  For as long
as I can remember, he's done nothing but slap decent moral Canadians
across the face time and time again.

While I wish the man no ill, I must admit I'd be pleased to learn he's
dying of AIDS.

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 U.N. group in 'showdown with religion'
 Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide

 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984

 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

   Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a
 United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New
 York

 to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with
 religion.

 The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual
 Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the
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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages

[RevCOAL]

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It is also written in the bible that women are unclean and should cover their heads.

Not to mention that the Old Testament condems masturbation as vehemently as homosexuality, and the same passage from the New Testament (Romans) that the homophobes like to quote alsomentions thieves and liars -- one wonders why the homophobes aren't getting their panties in a knot over masturbators, thieves, and liars as they do over homosexuals?


However, these are words of men. Everything in the Bible cannot be taken literally.

Hear! Hear!

Even *if* the Bible originally WAS 'the infallible word of God', one can't ignore the fact that it's gone thru numerous translations by fallable men; even the writers of the King James Bible put a caveat in their forward to that Bible stating that fact.

The bottom line is, the homophobic community has a perfect right to practice whatever flavor of superstition it wishes, but they do NOT have the right to impose their superstitious agenda upon the rest of society...


June







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[Eric Hoffsten]

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Wow, I had NO idea you people were so uptight!  I'd figure anybody smart
enough to see through the fog and lies of the current political climate
could also see through the fog and lies of the anti-gay agenda propogated
by the *EXACT SAME FORCES*.

Sheesh.  Mark S. Bilk nailed it, though.  His reasoned, thoughtful response
was right on the money.  Way to go, Mark.  Now where are the rest of you?
I'm hoping you're too busy out there standing up for human rights, fighting
the hate-mongering religious wackos sputtering monosyllabic diatribes about
how we should all repent as the end is nigh or something...  (Hey, the
end may very well be nigh, but we'd be better off increasing fuel
efficiency than hassling people about who they love...)

And YOU, iNFoWaRZ -- if that IS your real name, heh heh (are you really a
teenage hacker?) -- to you I'd ask:  Where is the morality in
discrimination, bigotry, and hate?  As you seem to have cornered the market
on the latter, I'd like to see a bit of the former...

Lastly, re: Jim Rarey's post:

Of course belief in God is a matter of faith, not scientific evidence,
just like belief in evolution.

You're kidding, right?  If not, perhaps someday you should speak to an
actual scientist.  Or better, just show the 0.6% of qualifying DNA that
proves you're a human and not a chimp.

To all of you who refuse to stand up for human dignity, I'd like to make a
deal:  I'll call off the recruitment party if you stop imposing on me the
supposed words of your invisible superheroes who live in outer space.
Fair enough?

--eh

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[Nessie SFBG]

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There is no fossil record to show that.
Oh yes there is.

See:

http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/homofs.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/




You are dissembling.
You are deluded.

Your irrational, a priori assumptions blind you to the evidence.
Convicts are routinely executed on the basis of less evidence than we
have for evolution. The Bible, the Koran, the Rig Veda, etc. are all
hearsay. The fossils are empirical data. If you rely on hearsay, when
the empirical data contradicts, your logic is flawed.
For more about logic, click here:

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The site you refered us to says:
Human evolution is a puzzle made up of thousands of fossil pieces, and
the Chart of Human Evolution (below) shows the major pieces of that
puzzle arranged in a likely solution.

OK.. The site is honest and you are supposing that likely means
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There is no fossil record to show that.

Oh yes there is.

See:

http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/homofs.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/




You are dissembling.

You are deluded.

Your irrational, a priori assumptions blind you to the evidence.
Convicts are routinely executed on the basis of less evidence than we
have for evolution. The Bible, the Koran, the Rig Veda, etc. are all
hearsay. The fossils are empirical data. If you rely on hearsay, when
the empirical data contradicts, your logic is flawed.

For more about logic, click here:

http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/longview/ctac/corenotes.htm

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

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It's OK with me. To each his own. How God will view it is another matter we 
won't know until the final judgment.

JR

- Original Message - 
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-Caveat Lector-You are so certain of your beliefs. What 
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in fear of death. I know my soul will likely live on just fine, 
withoutHeaven, Hell, or even God. Just a lot of other souls doing the best 
we can in thehereafter. That is my belief. Is that 
OK?SteveOn 10 Aug 2003 at 20:51, Bob Cooper wrote: 
Unfortunately for your hardened and rebellious heart towards God you've 
already paved your way to spend eternity with the father of lies, Satan. 
Clearly you've elected not to accept or believe in God, through God's 
gift to all mankind... "free will to choose". Scripture tells us 
"do not cast pearls (wisdom) to swine for they will trample them 
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

JR

Which sin? The Bible proscribes wearing clothes of mixed fibers --- do you want to kill everyone who wears a poly-cotton teeshirt? How about anyone who masturbates, something else which the Bible calls a sin.

You probably wish to stone all adulterers and adultresses to death too, eh?

Do you eat cheeseburgers or pork? The OT calls that a sin, too...


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Mark,

There will come a time (perhaps soon) that each of us will have to choose 
between God's word and the agenda of the anti-God humanists of the world. The 
gays have made it very plain that those are the two choices.

Do you call spreading AIDS through behavior condemned by God not harmful? 
The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus. Don't blame 
it on true Christians.

I stand with God. Sorry about your fate.

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from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 
10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual 
activity between consentingadults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the 
participants avoidunwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease). 
Sexual activity-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: 
itoften brings people closer together, and it discharges energythat 
otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.The purpose of moral rules 
is to minimize harm to people, so thatall may live happily and 
successfully. Therefore the only basisof morality that makes any sense 
is, "Do not harm anyone."By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality 
and homosexualpeople are not immoral (as such) in any way.The only 
reason some people believe they are immoral is theinfluence of 
fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions. Thesereligions are in many 
ways profoundly anti-human; their leadersand "holy" books have variously 
advocated and praised thegenocide of many millions of people, as well as the 
murder ofwomen who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents 
ofother religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.HIV/AIDS 
was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexualpopulation in the 
U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated withthe virus (probably 
intentionally). That is an appropriate topicof discussion for this 
list. The spewing of murderous hatredagainst harmless people, as 
motivated by fundamentalist religion,is not.
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unnatural
behavior,

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"...one wonders why the homophobes aren't getting their 
panties in a knot over masturbators, thieves, and liars as they do over 
homosexuals?"

Perhaps because although the rest are SINS, only homosexuality 
is called in the bible an ABOMINATION.

While it is true that the bible says the Lord "hateth all 
workers of iniquity", that's not to say that all sins are EQUAL. For 
instance, the bible states quite succinctly that ALL sins may be forgiven save 
one. blaspheming the Holy Ghost/Spirit.blaspheming the Father and Son 
seems forgivable.

So we know 1) not all sins are equal and 2) not all sins are 
called an ABOMINATION in the sight of the Lord.

Perhaps this is the case with the "homophobes"?




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It is also written in the bible that women are 
unclean and should cover their heads.

Not to mention that the Old Testament condems 
masturbation as vehemently as homosexuality, and the same passage from 
the New Testament (Romans) that the homophobes like to quote 
alsomentions thieves and liars -- one wonders why the homophobes 
aren't getting their panties in a knot over masturbators, thieves, and 
liars as they do over homosexuals?


However, these are words of men. Everything in the 
Bible cannot be taken literally.

Hear! Hear!

Even *if* the Bible originally WAS 'the infallible 
word of God', one can't ignore the fact that it's gone thru numerous 
translations by fallable men; even the writers of the King James Bible 
put a caveat in their forward to that Bible stating that 
fact.

The bottom line is, the homophobic community has a 
perfect right to practice whatever flavor of superstition it wishes, but 
they do NOT have the right to impose their superstitious agenda upon the 
rest of society...


June

  

  
  


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[iNFoWaRZ]

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At 11:36 PM 8/10/03 , you wrote:

God
inspired it, God wrote it through men, God has the sovereign authority to
establish “right” morals for “right” living, God’s Word is
inerrant and infallible. That’s enough for
me.

Bet your bumper sticker says
something witty like that too eh?
Go you www.truthbeknown.com and learn
more than you've every imagined. You're being had buddy. But I suspect
you're happy that way.

Bill. 
I can vouch for invalidity of that website. The author is a new age
pagan female anti-Christ who's works are the epitome of distortion and
lies.
She has twisted historical facts and has absolutely no grasp of
reality.
Even her works on politics, science, and her own religion are
total bullshit.
This is one twisted woman.
The truth is far from her.
Truthbeknown.com?
Not on this website.
Avoid it like the plague.



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[Jim Rarey]

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I'll pray for you too, Bill. The judgment may come sooner than we 
expect.

JR

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God inspired it, God wrote it through 
  men, God has the sovereign authority to establish right morals for right 
  living, Gods Word is inerrant and infallible. Thats enough for 
me.Bet your bumper sticker says something "witty" like that 
too eh?Go you www.truthbeknown.com and 
learn more than you've every imagined. You're being had buddy. But I suspect 
you're happy that way.Bill. 
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Much of
the Old Testament merely records what men did in violation of God's
laws.



Much of the Old Testament merely
records what men did in *obedience* to God's laws.


See:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.shtml

(snip)

Bible
Atrocities

Compiled by Donald Morgan

NOTE: These lists are meant to identify possible problems in the
Bible, especially problems which are inherent in a literalist
or fundamentalist interpretation. Some of the selections may be
resolvable on certain interpretations--after all, almost any problem
can be eliminated with suitable rationalizations--but it is the
reader's obligation to test this possibility and to decide whether it
really makes appropriate sense to do this. To help readers in this
task, these lists are aimed at presenting examples where problems may
exist given certain allowable (but not always obligatory) assumptions.
It should be kept in mind that a perfect and omnipotent God could,
should, and likely would see to it that such problems did not exist in
a book which s/he had inspired.

Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly
outnumber words having to do with love.

GE
3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent
(the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the
Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thereby incurring
death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents
them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the
Tree of Eternal Life. (Note: God could have done the same
for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the first
place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity
for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)

GE
4:2-8 God's
arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes
Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his
brother Abel.

GE
34:13-29 The
Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village,
taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.

GE
6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides
to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of
the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the
greatest mass murderer in history.

GE
19:26 God
personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt
(for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom
and Gomorrah).

GE
38:9
... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his
semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother.
What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death.

EX
2:12 Moses
murders an Egyptian.

EX
7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the
Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their
children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

EX
9:22-25 A
plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of
Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites
reside.

EX
12:29 The
Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

EX
17:13 With
the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.

EX
21:20-21 With
the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment
for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.

EX
32:27
Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate
to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every
man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

EX
32:27-29 With
the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.

LE
26:7-8 The
Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies
will fall before your sword.

LE
26:22 I
will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your
children.

LE
26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat
the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.

LE
27:29 Human
sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG
11:30-39)

NU
11:33 The
Lord smites the people with a great plague.

NU
12:1-10 God
makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken
against Moses.

NU
15:32-36 A
Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to
death at the Lord's command.

NU
16:27-33 The
Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their
households (including wives and children) because the men had been
rebellious.

NU
16:35 A fire
from the Lord consumes 250 men.

NU
16:49 A
plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.

NU
21:3 The
Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.

NU
21:6 Fiery
serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites.

NU
21:35 With
the Lord's

Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Nessie SFBG]

Title: Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING:
U.N.
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In II Timothy 3:16 we are told all
scripture (Old Testament) is breathed of God (comes from God). Since
Jesus is God (John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word and theWord
was with God and the Word was God. - John 1:14 The word became flesh
and made his dwelling among us.)he is the author of the
condemnations of homosexuality in the Old Testament. This should
answer your question. If it doesn't it must be because you don't
believe the Bible. If so, why bother asking for chapter
andverse?


That's a petitio principii.

See:

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/begging.htm

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[Nessie SFBG]

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 When did they (the so-called scientists) find the missing link?



Long ago, and they keep finding more. The fossil record, though still
not complete, is more than complete enough to demonstrate the
validity of the theory to any who examine the evidence objectively.
This, of course, leaves out all those too befuddled by primitive,
superstitious delusions.
More complete is the record of mitochondrial DNA.

See:

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.html



Believe is what stupid people do instead of find out the truth for themselves.

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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Steve Wingate]

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You are so certain of your beliefs. What is a belief? What if you are wrong? I guess 
one day see.

I for one am not in fear of death. I know my soul will likely live on just fine, 
without
Heaven, Hell, or even God. Just a lot of other souls doing the best we can in the
hereafter. That is my belief. Is that OK?

Steve

On 10 Aug 2003 at 20:51, Bob Cooper wrote:

 Unfortunately for your hardened and rebellious heart towards God you've
 already paved your way to spend eternity with the father of lies, Satan.
 Clearly you've elected not to accept or believe in God, through God's
 gift to all mankind... free will to choose.   Scripture tells us do
 not cast pearls (wisdom) to swine for they will trample them under
 foot.  God's Word also tells us that the wisdom of man is but folly to
 God.  Enough said.


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Re: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

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The wrongs you list are perversions of the gospel preached by Jesus
Where exactly did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Be specific. Cite the
chapter and verse.
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June, my goodness, just how 
does one separate out those laws you think are based on superstition? Do 
we just see which laws you like and call the rest off as based on 
superstition? If it's a basis for civilized society but is mentioned in a 
religious text are we supposed to discard it based on what you consider 
contamination of source? Do we each follow our own laws or do welet 
some sort of leader make the decision? Are their certain superstitions 
which are acceptable? And just how do you define a superstition? Do 
expand on your ideas otherwise they look like third grade name calling. 


  
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It is also written in the bible that women are 
unclean and should cover their heads.

Not to mention that the Old Testament condems 
masturbation as vehemently as homosexuality, and the same passage from 
the New Testament (Romans) that the homophobes like to quote 
alsomentions thieves and liars -- one wonders why the homophobes 
aren't getting their panties in a knot over masturbators, thieves, and 
liars as they do over homosexuals?


However, these are words of men. Everything in the 
Bible cannot be taken literally.

Hear! Hear!

Even *if* the Bible originally WAS 'the infallible 
word of God', one can't ignore the fact that it's gone thru numerous 
translations by fallable men; even the writers of the King James Bible 
put a caveat in their forward to that Bible stating that 
fact.

The bottom line is, the homophobic community has a 
perfect right to practice whatever flavor of superstition it wishes, but 
they do NOT have the right to impose their superstitious agenda upon the 
rest of society...


June

  

  
  


 
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[CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion

[Mark S Bilk]

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Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911

In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 
08:18:00AM -0600

Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting
adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid
unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease).  Sexual activity
-- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it
often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy
that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger.

The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that
all may live happily and successfully.  Therefore the only basis
of morality that makes any sense is, Do not harm anyone.

By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual
people are not immoral (as such) in any way.

The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the
influence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions.  These
religions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders
and holy books have variously advocated and praised the
genocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder of
women who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents of
other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation.

HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual
population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with
the virus (probably intentionally).  That is an appropriate topic
of discussion for this list.  The spewing of murderous hatred
against harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion,
is not.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600, Ctrl wrote:
-Caveat Lector-

I can't believe that whining sniveling jizz gobbler (Svend Robinson) has
been the incumbent politician for as long as he has.  For as long as I can
remember, he's done nothing but slap decent moral Canadians across the face
time and time again.

While I wish the man no ill, I must admit I'd be pleased to learn he's dying
of AIDS.

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 U.N. group in 'showdown with religion'
 Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide

 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

   Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a
 United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New York

 to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with
 religion.

 The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual
 Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the
 worldwide body in 1996.

 At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi
 Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical
 Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic
 Family and Human Rights Institute.

 Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress
 to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority
 Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals.

 Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based
 International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC,
 announced a coming showdown with religion and vowed Pope John Paul
 II's call to arms against homosexual marriage would be successfully
 combated.

 Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah,
 wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a
 challenge to the homosexual agenda.

 To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian
 parliament, told the Catholic Church to clean up your own house
 before criticizing the morality of homosexuals.

 Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary,
 calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage unbelievable.

 The deputy mocked born again Christians, asking, Did they have to
 come back again as themselves?

 As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that would

 add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and

 hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize public
 expression against homosexual behavior, including making quotations
 from the Bible.

 The U.N. group that hosted