From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have just had my visit by a plod. Following my
application for renew. Plod asked me 'why did you send
your current certificate in"? I replied 'because it
asked for it on my renewal application form"! I followed
with the right hand does not know what the left is
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As I said before I'd like to meet this guys solicitor/
barrister. The law was obviously broken and there was
only a recommendation that a database of FAC/SGC holder
be set up, not a legal requirement.
Didn't one of the acts make provision for such a database
to
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No time limit for production of the certificate is stated
in the act, the timescale for production is therefore held
to be immediate (See the Road Traffic Act provisions for
production of drivingdocuments for the wording that would
be used
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve
The public had been making complaints about the noise,
use of shotgun, etc.
The person refused to present his shotgun certificate for
examination.
The police officers present could arrest him if his name
and address were in doubt or needed
From: nick royall, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There are 2 separate parts to this section of the act,
one applying to a public place and the other to private
land. It has been shown by case law that the constable
must quote which section of the act he is demanding to
inspect it under (the firearm or
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That said, allow me the thought that any cop -- regardless of the
nation which s/he happens to be serving in -- should always be of the
mind
that s/he is a target of opportunity
E.J.
Too blooming right. There are only two threat levels, high and
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Section 48 of the Firearms Act 1968:
"(1) A constable may demand, from any persom whom he
believes to be in possession of a firearm or ammunition
to which Section 1 of this Act applies, or of a shot
gun, the production of his firearm certificate or,
as the case
From: "pa49", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We don't have constables walking around in our houses so it would be safe to
assume that the law refers to a demand made whilst 'out shooting'. The 'out
shooting' demand reasoning would be that the constable had become aware you
had a firearm in your possession
at they do now have such an arrangement.
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From: "TwoPints",
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:33 PM
Subject: CS: Legal-Certificate renewals
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From: "TwoPints", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think this applies to this thread.
There is a gentleman who lives near where I work who
has a small area of land upon which he lives. He
shoots vermin with his shotguns on his own land. His
activities appear to be totally law abiding. Due to
noise
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry Steve but doesn't the club exemption also cover
attendance at ranges other than the club's own on
organised club activities (such as a match or training
session)?
I didn't think the legislation limited the exemption to
the Club's 'own'
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to meet this persons solicitor/barrister - to
fail to produce a SGC or FAC on request of a police
officer is an offence of itself. Refusal definitely is!
This seems rather similar to the case in Scotland - take
them to court and they
From: "pa49", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any delay in issuing of either new or renewed FACs or
SGCs could result in the police becoming aware of a
good reason why they should not issue. Give
them the rope and ...etc
Neil Saint
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
seems they can't even keep track of who actually alive,
let alone who's got a certificate
Well, this leads on to another funny story concerning a
certain Northern force. My Grandfather died about six
years ago at the time he owned a .22 revolver and a .22
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Absolutley not, because they are wrong and if it gets to
court you will be convicted of illegal possession.
The other problem that has been missed is what happens
if for some reason they refuse your renewal. If your cert is
not in force they are perfectly
From: "Neil Roberts", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve, here we have a problem then. If the certificate is about to expire,
the police have not renewed it or issued a temporary permit, the local RFD's
will not touch them, what would you do with them ? Polite answers only !
--
Hand them in to the local
From: "R A J Coe", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi fellow shooters,
I've been following this thread and am a bit perplexed. Isn't
there a bit in the legislation that allows members of approved
Clubs to be in possession of Section 1 bits plus ammo WITHOUT
an FAC. I know it's supposed only to apply to
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The RFD in question is not going to do this for charity and although the
charge will be relatively small I wonder what the reaction would be to
numerous invoices appearing in the police accounts department from
disgruntled shooters.
Brian T
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Two
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear All,
I've been watching this thread with interest, primarily
because my FAC renewal is now a number of months away
and I have started to make the preparations.
My view, in full, is as follows.
After the shambles in North Wales a couple of years back
I have taken
From: Dave Reay, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was told today that Herts are taking 6weeks for FAC renewal and 7weeks for
a S7 permit(?).
But I was also told that I would be covered provided that I had sent in my
renewal forms.
Well its only 7weeks to go til it expires, and counting.
My understanding
From: Peter H Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Got to agree with Steve and Jonathan here.
If you don't have a valid FAC in your possession then
you commit an offence - absolute, no defence in law. The
fact that you have applied for renewal of the FAC and
been assured of it's issue by the police is
From: "Brian Toller", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Even if you do its safest to follow advice and ask for a
Section 7 permit or lodge the guns and ammunition with an
RFD.
The RFD in question is not going to do this for charity and although the
charge will be relatively small I wonder what the reaction
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DG are the ones at fault, they are also not following the law
(backdated FACs? Where in the Act does it allow that?)
Steve.
Steve is certainly correct on this. The Police have no
authority to allow you to possess firearms without either
an FAC or temporary
From: "Matt Greenall", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was told today that Herts are taking 6weeks for FAC renewal and 7weeks for
a S7 permit(?).
But I was also told that I would be covered provided that I had sent in my
renewal forms.
Well its only 7weeks to go til it expires, and counting.
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Got to agree with Steve and Jonathan here.
If you don't have a valid FAC in your possession then
you commit an offence - absolute, no defence in law. The
fact that you have applied for renewal of the FAC and
been assured of it's issue by the
From: "pa49", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is NO DOUBT in my mind that not having the relevant piece of paper
currently dated is a BIG risk. The backlog of passport renewals last year
meant that you could not leave the country as you didn't have the
appropriate 'authorisation' and IMO it's the same
From: Peter H Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My co-terminous certificates expire in 48 hours time.
Unless you have a firearm certificate in force, or a Section 7 permit to
possess, then your possession would be unlawful. No ifs and buts,
unlawful.
BUT... the police have indicated that the
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My co-terminous certificates expire in 48 hours time.
Unless you have a firearm certificate in force, or a Section 7 permit to
possess, then your possession would be unlawful. No ifs and buts,
unlawful.
I made due application
for renewal in mid
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My co-terminous certificates expire in 48 hours time. I made due application
for renewal in mid August. I have today been visited by a civilian firearms
officer, who says that all seems in order and that the renewals will be
expedited, although I know that none of
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