From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
The UK Police Corruption Website has relocated
offshore and is now at:
http://www.policecorruption.org
Looks interesting. I think IG would meet his Waterloo
there...
Regards
Norman Bassett
drakenfels.org
Cybershooters website:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IG,
Look what I dug up... The mysterious missing page! This is ancient history,
though no-one else got it all. I can't send it you on my revoked FAC because
as you know, they aren't returned to the previous owner, and besides, I
don't have your address.
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A CORRECTION to my last posting. The Peace of
Brest-Litovsk was signed on 3 March 1918, not in 1917
as I stated. The peace negotiations started after the
Bolshevik Revolution of 17 November 1917 (it's called
the "October" Revolution because that was the
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is from IG to me privately and posted here with
his permission:
"NB: The Great War's history IS available, but not
very easily. Part of it is the UK police force's work
as government bully-boys strike-breaking from mid-1916
to the end of the Great
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, you are right!
Bugger.
IG
Yes I believe that was covered in the Vagrancy Acts as
well (or at least display of the equipment) :-)
Regards
Jerry
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Within 1000 yards of my office there has been
one murder, two attempted murders (one of whom was a WPC),
one armed robbery, at least two shootings and more assaults
that I care to mention. Within a mile there was a smack dealer
who was ambushed by two guys with
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What? Are you implying that we have a law regulating the MISUSE of
drugs? etc
Oh God.
Read the whole of that post please.
The reason for mentioning that list of laws was to illustrate that there are
more laws to break nowadays, therefore crime figures are bound
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ya know, IG? Maybe if you cops were to have Friday night
ho-down, and 'let it all hang out', you chaps would gain a sense of humor!
Just a suggestion . . .
Whats a ho-down?
Do we need banjo players?
IG
Steve, IG,
Well, actually, it is
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ah, there we go, we can have a Christmas Cybershooters' safari, lead by IG
as the Professional Hunter, with his advice for the most suitable gun and
load; the selected game being: drug dealer; crackhead; armed robber;
lethal-joyrider; hot burglar; and
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IG would the police support a club these days if the applicant was from an
ethnic minority and in the clubs opinion not suitable?
Good question.
I would like to think that would be the case.
As I said..I would LIKE to think
The police service is
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IG appears to be behaving in a way similar to the
tobacco companies - looking at the evidence and flatly
denying its existence. The tobacco companies deny
reality for financial reasons and so do the police.
--snip--
Steve, Norman,
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prior to 1950 something there was no offence of carry an offensive weapon
Minor nit, Ian. Surely you remember the Vagrancy Act of 1824 (or was it
1842)?
--Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner
"Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, the good old days. When men could go shooting whilst high as a kite on
opium, get pissed, carry a flick knife and screw a bird without being
bankrupted by the government, then have a fight on the way home. All in the
same day as well. Sheer bliss. What
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh, the good old days. When men could go shooting whilst high as a kite on
opium, get pissed, carry a flick knife and screw a bird without being
bankrupted by the government, then have a fight on the way home. All in the
same day as well. Sheer bliss.
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ya know, IG? Maybe if you cops were to have Friday night
ho-down, and 'let it all hang out', you chaps would gain a sense of humor!
Just a suggestion . . .
Whats a ho-down?
Do we need banjo players?
IG
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We have had members removed from Clubs of which I have
been a member, because they were unsafe or became
unsuitable in our opinion. Some joined other clubs but
most just left the sport.
One was a little embarrassing as the member concerned
was
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I should also point out that prior to 1922 (can stand being corrected if
the date
is wrong) british subjects did have unrestricted access to firearms and
carried them for self defence, can you point to any research that shows
that this was a problem (except to
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I doubt the Metropolitan Police is relaxing its rules to
the extent that they would accept people who had actually
served prison terms, and cetainly not three years or more,
or any crimes of violence sufficient for a prison term.
Having only seen
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. I ask on
the basis that there are offences which would disqualify one from holding an
FAC or SGC. Would the same offences be allowed by applicant to the Police
ranks?
From the limited reporting of this I have seen one would
have to say yes. I
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The last count the London Evening Standard did there
were an estimated 300 murderers walking the streets of
London who'd never been convicted. You can estimate
the relative rates of conviction for other crimes. The
London police are to that extent
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firstly, this all kicked off with your statement that 5% of
people who have FAC's are unpleasant, objectionable and
potentially dangerous. It had nothing to do with those who
had applied and been refused or have in your view applied
for "spurious variations". etc
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the basis that IG feels free to pass judgement on the character of
members of the shooting fraternity, I feel just as free to state that he is
just a "wind-up artist", bent on provoking hasty and unwise comments by the
use of provocative statements. I cannot
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IG
I have followed your lengthy and mountainous volumes of comment on this
thread.
Like another poster I have to wonder if this is just to incite responses,
wind-ups, or as the US say, "trolling". As you declare your position then
perhaps not the
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anyone know any person who has justifiably had a cert revoked? I wager
that no one will admit it here! (as it seems the overiding view is that
anyone should be able to carry anything they want at any time and at any
place.)
It would be a fine line
From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Surely the most blatant use of the Police to execute political "whims" was
their arresting and removing from the streets the peaceable, placard
carrying, protesters against the Chinese "Head Mans" visit in the last year
(sorry not got his name or exact
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well IG, it looks like your key board took a hammering over the weekend.
I presume that you are one of the inteligentsia who think that anyone,
under any circumstances, should be allowed to possess a firearm for any
reason whatsoever. In other words, you appear
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As for examples of iffy FAC holders, a club I belong to chucked one out some
years back: - not a very responsible individual, who brought some unsavoury
friends in on a few occasions and left large numbers of "inaccurately placed
holes" after each visit.
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I G
If we assume that your thoughts on this may be held by other officers, then
why was it executed?
Does this mean that your fellow officers, if given ANY order, will follow it
to the letter, irrespective of their thoughts as to it being un-reasonable
action??
From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I also have trouble with the concept of "I trust you with this but not
that" as steve experienced with variations for collecting. In my case I
had a sec.1 shotgun that I was prohibited from using for clay pigeon
shooting! I fully understood the law and
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I *know* its not rubbish, but I include applicants in this figure, as well
as people who make spurious applications for variations, etc. (you know,
when you get as far as checking out good reason for possession, you find
there actually isnt one. Things like that).
From: "Jim Franklin", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the basis that IG feels free to pass judgement on the character of
members of the shooting fraternity, I feel just as free to state that he is
just a "wind-up artist", bent on provoking hasty and unwise comments by the
use of provocative statements. I
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have difficulty reconciling the fact that whereas I put up
with all the BS connected with owning firearms legally the local drug
dealers get no hassle at all over their firearms or how they use them!
This is a common thread, so lets deal with it.
First of all,
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, this figure of 5% is just pure rubbish and IG knows it,
he probably just chose it because it sounds catchy. If it
were correct I certainly wouldn't be associating with this
type of person and if it were right I would be getting rather
worried, and I'm not.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"OK, it's late and I can't be bothered to check out exact
numbers. But, lets think about it, how many FAC's are
there in the Country, a figure of 200, 000 could be
plucked out of the air. I don't know if it's right but I don't
think there are any less than that. If 5%
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You just didn't listen did you? IG DID NOT SAY WHAT HE HAS OR HASN'T DONE
about the so-called 5%, but you have seen fit to condemn him without knowing
the full facts - THAT IS MY POINT!!!and that is how those BASTARDS in
power operate - congratulations, you are
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve,
I do hope you realise I was defending shooters and you. I am disabled and can
only manage prone rifle shooting (TR!) But just cos I can, t take part I
still think we all have a right to choose what sport we take part in. As long
as it is legal!!!
Tina
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It certainly doesn't inspire me with confidence to hear a copper
saying he thinks he _knows_ certificate holders who aren't
suitable to hold a certificate.
Don't think, I know.
And am dealing with it! Its a rolling process though.get one out of the way
and
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A
Then why are you not reporting this and getting their
certs pulled, especially if you are correct about the
"..potentially dangerous..." ones?
B
even if what IG was saying had an element of truth to it, (a)
it's more like 0.005% and (b) why hasn't he had their
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well done mate. Through your own ignorance you have just condemned the
people
who like to shoot practical rifle
Where in heavens name did I mention practical rifle shooters?
Bloody hell, man, I shoot practical rifle. Where did you get this
from
IG
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have to say I can't recall any SGC or FAC holders that
worried me to the extent that I thought they were
dangerous. Some of them are a bit strange in their own
way, but I suppose we would come across as being a bit
strange to your average punter. I can think
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have to agree with both points about trusting the police and trusting
shooters! I would agree that about 5% are people who have "something" about
them, an "air" of racism, sexism and unpleasantness. Of whom do I speak?
Police and shooters in equal measure!
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think IG has too is being a bit misleading when he says he is
preventing the "wrong" sort of people from owning firearms. You are
doing no such thing! Only preventing certain people, who you don't like,
from LEGALLY owning firearms. All you are really achieving,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Come on guys - you are being totally unfair on IG - he has simply not stated
WHAT he has done about the dodgy 5%, and you are assuming he has done
nothing - don't condemn a man with insufficient information - that's how
Tony Bliar and Jack Boot Straw operate
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kisko was wrongly convicted under circumstances which reflect very badly
on those involved. Under your preferred system he would have hanged.
Evidently you consider the accidental/malicious hanging of a few
innocents a price worth paying. I do not.
Ah yes but this
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Norman Bassett writes, in the latest of his always-interesting reflections,
And I think it would be a big step forward if the UK police accepted that
they work for the public and not for the Home Office which trains them to
regard the public as creatures from
From: Mike Taylor, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Snip
I consider it insane that our elected government deny the people the
possibility of executing criminals on the thin ground
that the police have in the past accused innocent
people and got them hanged.
AGREED! At least have a referendum on it..
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Would Ig like to give us examples of the five per cent of certificate holders
to whom he objects?
Barry Woodward
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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T O P I C
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Again, why let fact get in the way of a good rumour.
I quoted the oft repeated comments that are spouted by the rabid
anti-shooting lobby.
As the point seems to be lost, why not consider the reality of things. If a
rumour is repeated often enough, it becomes fact
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was delighted to read IG's reply to my posting. I
had feared my informant was so accurate that NOBODY
disputed the assertion in any way at all.
I would not like to comment on the assertion that a
lot of shooters have illegal firearms, nor the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ho hum. Here we go again. Shooters v. police...
Listen IG, I'm sure most of us think you're a perfectly decent bloke - after
all, you go hunting, and clearly know a thing or two about ballistics, so you
can't be all bad - but you just have to realise that the
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I was a boy I was taught to trust and like the police; these days I
don't. I do my best to keep
contact with the police to an absolute minimum, and the same goes for a hell
of a lot of people I know. Sorry.
Dear Ant
My point exactly.
I am a shooter, and used
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--snip--
". . . I now realise the amount of unpleasant, potentially
dangerous and thoroughly objectionable people that
own firearms certificates."
Steve, IG,
Well, IG, I guess that qualifies you as some kind
of psychiatry
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The people who made the comments that IG is witness to, are
extreme bigots; and if they occupy any office of government, they are
particularly dangerous as well. I wonder: would they be able to defend
them in an open law court?
Ho hum. Here we go again. Police v
From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've heard estimates that one third of the UK police
engage in corruption of some kind - ie take bribes
from criminals, resell seized drugs etc, engage in
clear-up figure fiddling etc. That one third of the UK
police know enough about corruption going on to make a
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