Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-19 Thread Jodi Hoffman
And more from this "only TEENAGERS and adults" website... "Recently, I showed a friend a photograph of myself and a twelve-year-old boy with whom I was bonded years ago. We are standing side by side with my arm around his shoulder, in what I would consider a typical adult-child pose.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-19 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 01:17 -0400 9/19/00, Jodi Hoffman wrote: Kevin Elliott wrote: Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de. Here's a little something else I picked up from the same stupid website (you know...the one you say only promotes sex between teenagers and adults...) My god! Did

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread Sampo A Syreeni
On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote: AIDS/HIV: $39,172.00 Diabetes: $ 5,449.00 Cancer: $ 3,776.00 Heart Disease: $ 1,056.00 Stroke: $ 765.00 What's wrong with this picture? You don't get cancer by engaging in

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
If we are playing that game, I have 5000+ volumes here. All 5000 of them AND my gorilla say that you are full of it. That's "Orangutang". No, Helena was in a different room at the time. It was most certainly the Gorilla (and it is hard to make a mistake on such matters). I can send photos

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website from another world. I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de. -- Kevin "The Cubbie"

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread Jodi Hoffman
Kevin Elliott wrote: At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website from another world. I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread Jodi Hoffman
Kevin Elliott wrote: At 00:08 -0400 9/19/00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Betweens teenagers and adults?! You must have been perusing a NAMBLA website from another world. I'm sorry but you seem to be the one in another world. Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-18 Thread Jodi Hoffman
Kevin Elliott wrote: Read the stupid website if you don't believe me www.nambla.de. Here's a little something else I picked up from the same stupid website (you know...the one you say only promotes sex between teenagers and adults...) be boys with names like Jimmy Joey ~

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-17 Thread Jay Holovacs
Ok, you can reword are reiterate your claims. How about backing them up with documentation? (if it's been 'reinforced' every year, it surely is not secret and you must have some links to back up your claims) BTW of your new ones: 1) Would you NOT have them available to all persons regardless of

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-17 Thread Me
- Original Message - From: "Kevin Elliott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] than the rest of NATO combined. HEll, ignoring turkey we have more territory than the rest of NATO combined! Did the U.S. senate finally ratify the Canada Annexation Treaty?

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-17 Thread Jodi Hoffman
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Jay: I've given information which is readily available to anyone who takes the time to investigate it. But you have failled to provide information which should be readily available to you if you are telling the truth. You are the person who is making

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-17 Thread Omri Schwarz
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: Jay: I've given information which is readily available to anyone who takes the time to investigate it. But you have failled to provide information which should be readily available to you if you are telling the truth. You are the person who

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Bill Stewart
By the way, if Jody only wants to fax the document, and Petro only wants to receive it by email, Petro can set up a JFAX.COM account which will accept faxes and email them to him (as TIFF files.) At 12:06 AM 9/15/00 -0700, petro wrote: petro wrote: Prove it. Produce the

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Jay Holovacs
Jodi's fantasy world again. Ok Jodi..document your claims which 'march on Washington" Please specifiy who made these 'demands' and the actual quotes involved (not your imaginative paraphrases) Of course, if your past behavior on this list is any indicator, statements were wildly interpreted

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Jodi Hoffman
In 1972 (the year before the APA unilaterally decided homosexuality was "no longer an illness") the Gay Rights Platform was drawn up at the convention of the National Coalition of Gay Organizers. It was officially set forth at the Gay Pride March on Washington, D.C. on April 25, 1993 and has

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
4) demand that Federal Defense budget funds be diverted to cover AIDS patients' medical expenses... The 1998 Federal Budget included $4.746 *BILLION* for AIDS funding. That was a $465 million increase over the 1997 Budget, which is more funding than all forms of cancer combined.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
You don't approve of free speech. You don't approve of freedom of religion. You don't approve of the right to petition the government. Tell me, Jodi, is there any part of the First Amendment you DO support? You know, Cuba is just a short swim from Florida. You'd like it there. No free

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
The military is currently cannibalizing everything it can to keep as many units as it possibly can active. If less of the 'defense' budget ended up spent on barracks that serve no military purpose, planes that the Pentagon don't want and gold plated research projects, there would be no

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
If it was 'officially set forth' one would think you could produce quotes rather than paraphrases. And maybe name the correct organization. (NCGO doesn't seem to exist, if Altavista is anything to go by) Try looking under the protocols of the elders of Zion. Phill

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Omri Schwarz
If it was 'officially set forth' one would think you could produce quotes rather than paraphrases. And maybe name the correct organization. (NCGO doesn't seem to exist, if Altavista is anything to go by) Try looking under the protocols of the elders of Zion. All of the gay

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-16 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
4) demand that Federal Defense budget funds be diverted to cover AIDS patients' medical expenses... The 1998 Federal Budget included $4.746 *BILLION* for AIDS funding. That was a $465 million increase over the 1997 Budget, which is more funding than all forms of cancer

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-15 Thread !Dr. Joe Baptista
McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-14 Thread !Dr. Joe Baptista
r 13, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence t

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-14 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Actually, she got shot at and roughed up by AN members. (AN has a habit of disavowing relations with members once they get in trouble with The Elders of Zion.) This woman and her daughter just "happened" to be far from home, out near the AN compound, and their car, they claim, just

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-14 Thread Gil Hamilton
Phill Hallam-Baker writes: The problem with the KKK, AN and other groups of thugs isn't what they say, it is what they do - beat people up. As for being PC, can anyone explain how an organization could be less tollerant of opposing views than the AN? Perhaps not less tolerant, but certainly

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-14 Thread Jodi Hoffman
3, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence t

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-14 Thread Jodi Hoffman
petro wrote: You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay. Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-14 Thread Secret Squirrel
Jodi Hoffman wrote: If you're serious, send it. We own a law firm. Furthermore, a lot of the cases we handle are pro bono, especially when children are involved. You "own" a law firm, eh? Big surprise there.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Colin Rafferty
Jodi Hoffman writes: Declan McCullagh forwards: Frisoli, the Curley lawyer, has been making very outrageous and false statements about what was on the web site. Because the media has no access to the site, no one can contradict him. ... Printed material from NAMBLA is difficult to find.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Lizard
At 03:11 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote: I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website throughout the years. Maybe I should contact this child's parents as well as their attorney. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe you really are a member of NAMBLA. It certainly

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Jodi Hoffman
Lizard wrote: At 03:11 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote: I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website throughout the years. Maybe I should contact this child's parents as well as their attorney. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe you really are a member of

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Jodi Hoffman
Colin Rafferty wrote: Jodi Hoffman writes: Declan McCullagh forwards: Frisoli, the Curley lawyer, has been making very outrageous and false statements about what was on the web site. Because the media has no access to the site, no one can contradict him. ... Printed material from

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Lizard
At 10:56 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Jodi Hoffman wrote: Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and murderers. Nope, only to the support of those who advocate it, just like I support your right to free speech. I daresay you're much more dangerous to children than any NAMBLA

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Jay Holovacs
: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and murderers. Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First Amendment, Liz. I'm sure if it were your son, you would feel differently.

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Jay Holovacs
: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and murderers. Don't sacrifice my child

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Jodi Hoffman
PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and murderers. Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First Amendment, Liz

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Tim May
At 11:27 AM -0400 9/13/00, Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence to children) Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their speech

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Omri Schwarz ---
At 11:27 AM -0400 9/13/00, Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence to children) Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Omri Schwarz ---
[A veteran free speech activist in Cambridge, Mass. sent me this. Any offers of mirroring should go to the list, where I assume they'll be duly forwarded. I wonder how long the HTML files in question here would last on a Geocities/etc account. --Declan] Did Curley's lawyers at least

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Omri Schwarz ---
I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website throughout the years. Maybe I should contact this child's parents as well as their attorney. Maybe you should do the same. Maybe you really You definitely should. A quick email from anybody on this list and your printouts

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Tim May
At 4:57 PM -0400 9/13/00, Omri Schwarz wrote: At 11:27 AM -0400 9/13/00, Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence to children) Remember,

Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

2000-09-13 Thread Jodi Hoffman
TED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial? Jay Holovacs wrote: You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT the same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocat