Re: layered deception

2001-04-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:04 AM 4/30/2001 -0500, Kevin L Prigge wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 12:13:01AM -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: i agree...unless you're specifically directed to do so, maintaining log files is completely optional. there are no regs requiring isps or websites or mail providers to do

Re: layered deception

2001-04-30 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:24:09PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote: What if the sysadmin is intentionally located in an offshore location so that they cannot be kept from notifying all users of the logging order? Then we pass a cybercrime treaty to require them to follow U.S. laws. Law enforcement

Re: (gray travel)

2001-04-30 Thread Sunder
David Honig wrote: The term 'grey man' is also used by R. Tomlinson in _The Big Breach_ where it means basically the same, an observer/tail/Gargoyle who blends in. Erm, perhaps, but Gargoyle has a completely different meaning than just a guy observing and bleding in. It's from Stephenson's

Re: layered deception

2001-04-30 Thread Steve Schear
At 10:56 AM 4/30/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:24:09PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote: What if the sysadmin is intentionally located in an offshore location so that they cannot be kept from notifying all users of the logging order? Then we pass a cybercrime

RE: (gray travel) - back to recording laws of men stuff

2001-04-30 Thread Aimee Farr
Sunder on Honig: David Honig wrote: The term 'grey man' is also used by R. Tomlinson in _The Big Breach_ where it means basically the same, an observer/tail/Gargoyle who blends in. Erm, perhaps, but Gargoyle has a completely different meaning than just a guy observing and bleding in.

Re: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread mmotyka
The level of idealism is amazing. The corrective forces of free markets and anarchy usually discussed here are certainly in operation in varying degrees throughout our economic system. I think the confidence level is naive and the damage that can result from unfettered profit seeking is

Re: [Fwd: YOU ARE INVITED: Will Encryption Protect Privacy and Make Government Obsolete? -- Next Independent Policy Forum (4/24/01)]

2001-04-30 Thread Faustine
Quoting William Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Faustine replies: Quoting William Vogt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [David Friedman has published in ...] Journal of Law and Economics (more than once) Journal of Political Economy (more than once) American Economic Review AER is usually

Re: [Fwd: YOU ARE INVITED: Will Encryption Protect Privacy and Make Government Obsolete? -- Next Independent Policy Forum (4/24/01)]

2001-04-30 Thread Faustine
Quoting James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 03:37 PM 4/27/2001 -0400, Faustine wrote: We should hold ourselves and our friends to HIGHER standards if we want to get somewhere in the long run. You could start by holding yourself to the standard of actually having some faint glimmering

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Mike wrote: The level of idealism is amazing. Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e., government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D The corrective forces of free

Re: Technological Solution

2001-04-30 Thread Faustine
Quoting Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 6:32 PM -0700 4/28/01, Tim May wrote: (You see, the quick review process is much better than the method you suggested re: economics, that people read the main textbooks. People don't need to spend several months wading through cryptography

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread mmotyka
Mike wrote: The level of idealism is amazing. Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e., government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D The idealism that I

Re: layered deception

2001-04-30 Thread Declan McCullagh
Steve, Even assuming that what you say is true, and I suspect it is, you'd be relying on protections enshrined in the law. The purpose of this treaty, of course, is to change the law. :) -Declan On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 10:07:33AM -0700, Steve Schear wrote: At 10:56 AM 4/30/2001 -0400, Declan

RE: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Sandy Sandfort
I wrote: Do you mean in those who continue to believe in coercive solutions (i.e., government)? Especially in the face of the fact that government has been responsible for 120+ million deaths in the 20th century alone? :-D The idealism that I refer to is the concept that human

Idealism, non-coercion, and anarchies

2001-04-30 Thread Tim May
At 1:35 PM -0700 4/30/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idealism that I refer to is the concept that human beings can create something substantially better than what exists. We should all have a touch of this idealism but reality doesn't fit the model so well. Many of us certainly believe that

Re: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread Tim May
At 6:09 PM -0700 4/30/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think where we differ is that I'm extremely pessimististic about human nature. It's not that I don't like the idealistic picture, I just don't see that it can work out that way. First, being extremely pessimistic about human nature is

Re: BSE

2001-04-30 Thread mmotyka
I think where we differ is that I'm extremely pessimististic about human nature. It's not that I don't like the idealistic picture, I just don't see that it can work out that way. Sandy Sandfort wrote: The idealism that I refer to is the concept that human beings can create something