Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
At 11:49 AM 8/6/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Adam Back wrote: Couldn't he just let people post in his absence? It kind of detracts from a list if it disappears for weeks at a time on a regular basis. He moderates it. His choice. Single point of failure, regrettable. I enjoyed interacting with Perry about 10-11 years ago, mostly on the Extropians list. Perry was a major political ranter (even if it is not true that he coined the phrase Utopia is not an option). Amusing! Because he keeps cryptography@ politics free, for the most part. Which seems to be why some knowledgable people post there and do not bother with this group. Specialization is fine. I find it useful that both tech and techsocially clueful folks post here. I despise people's private fiefdoms, whether Dave Farber's Interesting People list or Lewis McCarthy's Coderpunks list or any of Bob Hettinga's various BearerBunks and Phisodex lists. And Perrypunks, with its quixotic policy about politics (politics banned, except when Perry wanted to rant), was just another private fiefdom. A problem with editors in a free market? That's a bit reflexively-anarchic, no? One man's chafing is another's straying off topic I guess. I don't dispute their property right to do with their machines as they wish, absent contracts, but being in their fiefdoms chafes very quickly. Reputation/editing is useful for keeping S/N high, not that one can't invest personally (eg in kill files) to do this. The distributed-CP remailing architecture is interesting, and enforces an anarchic (editor-free) forum, which is a good thing, but as a result has a S/N that deters some folks who are worth listening to, who do post in the other, moderated forum. Thus ends, at least in Italy, the absurd anarchy that permits anyone to publish online without standards and without restrictions, and guarantees to the consumer minimum standards of quality in all information content, for the first time including electronic media. -Italian govt
Re: Colored people and cripples
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 15:23, Cardenas wrote: once again, we can count on Tim May to contribute the least productive comment to this thread. I'm peeved with Tim, too. He's moving in on my turf! Tim wrote: (I may start pulling cores on their tires after seeing so many apparently-fully-mobile persons getting out of their cars and vans with the Handicapped placards. Nah, kneecap the fake crips instead. Let them deserve their special license plates. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! -- Rep. Henry Waxman
Re: What if all things computable are computable in polynomial time?
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:49:36AM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 01:18 AM 8/6/03 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote:
An anonymous sender writes:
Rely on math, not humans.
What if all things computable are computable in polynomial time?
You mean polynomials like O(n^10^10^10) ?
subset{P} != easy
Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
At 9:55 AM -0400 8/6/03, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Perry got sick a while back, and, if he's not in jail or something, :-), I bet that's it. Let me clarify that. A while ago, Perry got sick. The list was down for quite a while. Then he got better, and the list came back. I bet that's what's happening now. If he's not in jail. :-). Cheers, RAH But, seriously, folks... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
At 1:28 AM -0700 8/6/03, Bill Stewart wrote: Bob - Perry's cryptography list moved from wasabisystems to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't gotten anything from there, either. Perry got sick a while back, and, if he's not in jail or something, :-), I bet that's it. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Year in Jail for Web Links
Bill Stewart wrote: No, it's *not* Prisoner's Dilemma. Think more literally here. The prisoners are the entire population of accused persons. If all the accused (in all cases in the Injustice System) were to reject plea bargaining and insist on a jury trial, then prosecutors would be spread more thin, and would not be able to extort confessions as they do now. Most people they try are either guilty of something, and the real issue is exactly how many counts of what they're guilty of and how much they ought to be punished. Do you have any evidence at all for this assertion? It seems to me that you've been taken in by Big Brother's propaganda. On a regular basis I hear about corrupt judges who act as a second prosecutor, and actively prevent the accused from presenting any effective defense by disallowing crucial evidence and even telling them what arguments they can make. Too often, the prosecution just needs to convict somebody to keep their numbers high, or police need to make arrests because they've allocated a certain portion of the departmental budget to come from forfeitures.
