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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Duncan Frissell wrote: Has anyone noticed genuine spam wrapped in Choatian wrappers? Perhaps someone who's good at header analysis can comment. This is the header of a mailing list sales pitch I retrieved from my trash file (where Choate and MattX go. I also got

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2002-04-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Alan Braggins wrote: Actually you left something out, the PRNG by definition must have a modulus of repetition. At some point it starts the sequence over. As usual, Jim is wrong. There are deterministic systems which never repeat. For example, there is an

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Phillip H. Zakas[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Variola quotes from an article: Occasionally a new piece of hardware comes along that initially stumps investigators. Stenhouse mentions one of the newer Thumb Drives. There's one that requires a thumbprint onto the Thumb Drive itself.

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Has anyone noticed genuine spam wrapped in Choatian wrappers? Perhaps someone who's good at header analysis can comment. This is the header of a mailing list sales pitch I retrieved from my trash file (where Choate and MattX go. I also got some porno spam. Innovation thy name is spam. DCF

Re: Biometrics helping privacy: excerpt from Salon article on fo rensics

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Peter Trei wrote: Encrypted files on a portable device that you keep with you would seem to be the best of all worlds. any of the usb mini drives can manage that - just set them to autorun Scramdisk Traveller and mount a SD volume from the device. just don't forget to dismount it before you

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-- Joseph Ashwood Because with a pRNG we can sometimes prove very important things, while with a RNG we can prove very little (we can't even prove that entropy actually exists, let alone that we can collect it). James A. Donald: Don't be silly. Of course we know that

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2002-04-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: Exactly what is the Choatian definition of a PRNG which requires it to repeat, anyway? Wrong question, the -right- questions is... What is -random-? It means unpredictable, this means unrepeatable. If it repeats then it -must- be predictable; that

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