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As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a
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In case it
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We are not looking for a perfect solution. Yes, Wikis will be
vandalized. We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that.
But what I am seeking is some efforts to think usefully about how to
helpfully reconcile our
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As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a couple of points.
First, in case it is not obvious, the problem with the present
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On 9/28/05, Nick Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Quoting Alan Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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We are not looking for a perfect solution. Yes, Wikis will be
vandalized. We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that.
But what I am seeking is some efforts to think
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On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A Wikiwhiner wrote
I have valid although perhaps unpopular
contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
absence of my perspective.
Wow. Nice
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Dont' agree here...
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On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A Wikiwhiner wrote
I have valid
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Hi Jimbo,
My
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Tyler Durden wrote:
Actually, depending on your App, this would seem to be th very
OPPOSITE of a moot point.
-TD
Indeed!
I've been ignoring this list for a while, so sorry for the late posting.
I remember sometime in late 99, I had one of the early blackberry
pagers, the small ones that
At 05:37 PM 9/27/2005, lists wrote:
Tyler Durden wrote:
Sorry...I don't understand...why would psuedonymity services be provided
within Tor?
I find the concept of having both pseudonymous and anonymous traffic
through TOR quite interesting. In some cases, you really do wish to just
TOR
At 9:43 PM -0400 9/28/05, sunder wrote:
Gee, I wonder why anyone would design a cell phone or pager to be able
to stay on after its battery is pulled out.
To protect whatever's in the then-volatile memory?
cf Pournelle on conspiracy and stupidity...
Are we just too paranoid?
See below.
Coverage and use of WolframTones is expanding rapidly,
showcasing one unexpected consumer NKS application...
http://tones.wolfram.com
Rudy Rucker's NKS-inspired book The Lifebox, The Seashell, and
the Soul will be published October 10...
Speaking of pseudonymity...
At 12:53 PM -0400 9/27/05, Somebody wrote:
Argh! Not this again!
Yes, again, and I'll keep repeating it until you get it. :-).
No, anonymity is don't know who sent it.
For some definitions of who. To paraphrase a famous sink-washing
president, it depends on who you
Chinese Web Controls and Tor ... a subject I happen to have close personal
experience with. Just took a three week vacation to Dali, China and after
hitting the Great Firewall of China (tm), hopped over to the eff site,
downloaded tor and privoxy, and 10 minutes later was up and running bypassing
Quoting R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
At 8:43 AM -0700 9/27/05, James A. Donald wrote:
In the long run, reliable pseudonymity will prove more
valuable than reliable anonymity.
Amen. And, at the extreme end of the curve, perfect psedudonymity *is*
perfect anonymity.
Character. I
At 8:37 PM -0400 9/27/05, lists wrote:
Building a TOR nymspace would be much more
interesting and distributed.
Since the first time I met Dingledine, he was talking pseudonymity,
bigtime. I was curious when he went to play with onion routers, but maybe
I'm not so surprised anymore...
Cheers,
Dont' agree here...
From: Steve Furlong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at
Wikipedia]
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:41:34 -0400
On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A Wikiwhiner wrote
I have valid
Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/27/1235203
Posted by: CmdrTaco, on 2005-09-27 13:37:00
[1]Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes China is moving to 'centralize all
China-based Web news and opinion under a state regulator,' the Wall
Street Journal reports, but determined citizens
Tyler Durden wrote:
Sorry...I don't understand...why would psuedonymity services be provided
within Tor?
I find the concept of having both pseudonymous and anonymous traffic
through TOR quite interesting. In some cases, you really do wish to just
separate yourself from your meatspace
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From: Roger Dingledine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:54:38 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wikipedia Tor
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:18:31AM -0400,
[yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir]
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A potential for cooperation is the proposal below for authenticated
access to Wikipedia through Tor. I will not speak to any particular
design here, but if Wikipedia has a notion
On 9/28/05, Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A Wikiwhiner wrote
I have valid although perhaps unpopular
contributions to make, and not only is my freedom to express myself
limited, the quality of the material on Wikipedia suffers due to the
absence of my perspective.
Wow. Nice
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From: cypherpunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hello directly from Jimbo at Wikipedia
As an occasional Tor and Wikipedia user, let me add a couple of points.
First, in case it is not obvious, the problem with the present
Quoting Alan Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
- Forwarded message from Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
We are not looking for a perfect solution. Yes, Wikis will be
vandalized. We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that.
But what I am seeking is some efforts to think
Sorry...I don't understand...why would psuedonymity services be provided
within Tor?
An external reputation/psuedonymity server would of course reduce a Tor
users' anonymity to mere psuedonymity, but I don't see how it would do
anything more, and who cares? If Wikipedia (or anyone) doesn't
--
From: Tyler Durden
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A very subtle attack, perhaps? If I were so-and-so, I
consider it a real coup to stop the kinds of
legitimate Wikipedia entries that might be made from
Tor users. And if this is the case, you can bet that
there are other obvious
What the heck are you doing there for three weeks? Buying some golden
triangle goods?
I hear it's beautiful, however, but it's not like you took a direct
international flight there...
-TD
From: Peter Thoenen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
- Forwarded message from Jimmy Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
We are not looking for a perfect solution. Yes, Wikis will be
vandalized. We're prepared to deal with that, we do deal with that.
But what I am seeking is some efforts to think usefully about how to
helpfully reconcile our
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