Tim is absolutely right -- we need a new Timmy McVeigh everyday. The
people in that building were feds, the kids were fed kids. Unfortunate
for the kids, but so what? Nits turn into lice. How many kids died at
Waco?
On Monday 18 November 2002 04:03 pm, Eric Cordian wrote:
Someone posted:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday
said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to
wiretap suspected terrorism suspects under a law adopted by
At 01:02 PM 11/18/2002 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
http://news.com.com/2010-1069-966164.html
Perspective: Say hello to Big Brother
By Declan McCullagh
November 18, 2002, 7:05 AM PT
WASHINGTON--Like it or not, the proposed Department of Homeland
Security firmly establishes
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
These aren't meant as rhetorical I'm making a really good point
questions, but actual questions. Depending on your answer, I wonder
how you feel about the WTC (along with a few thousand people) getting
taken out by an American
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as an
At 10:42 AM -0800 11/15/02, Sunder wrote:
What's disturbing about this is that we are on someone's list as e-gold
customers or something, and this is very likely the same spoofer that had
earlier set up e-golb.com and attempted the same kind of spoof.
FWIW, I got one of the e-gold letters. I
At 02:27 PM 11/18/2002 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 10:42 AM -0800 11/15/02, Sunder wrote:
What's disturbing about this is that we are on someone's list as e-gold
customers or something, and this is very likely the same spoofer that had
earlier set up e-golb.com and attempted the same kind of
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote:
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous
Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement
the
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Sunder wrote:
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what
Quoting Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Third, there are good reasons why two of our list members have been
sentenced to long jail terms by Big Brother, why some have fled the
country, and why the Treasury Department's Criminal Investigation Unit
published my SS number and declared in documents
I decided to look into these DMT Rands that everyone has been yammering
about. I'm not terribly surprised to see that they are a product of the
Laissez Faire City grifters. No thanks.
This little investigation did spark my interest in aquiring gold, however.
Do readers of this list have
All of your comments are very reasonable. I agree with most of them.
However, I have to take issue with your comments on drugs and employment, and
how we have hurt the Afghan people.
As to drugs and employment. I'm glad to see that you recognized that a
programer, like myself, has far fewer
I'm sitting here, late, waiting to go out to my hot tub to catch the
peak of the Leonids. Which is why I accidentally sent my article
intended for the Everything list to this list by accident.
If the topic interests you, the usual searching around will find the
Everything list. It's a quiet
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler, etcetera, from current issue of wired.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/holytech.html
I would say we are all in the midst of
So there's plenty of meat for conspiracy theory for a long time to come
Dave Emory has documented possible links between McVeigh and neo-fascist
groups. Search through http://www.spitfirelist.com/.
He also extensively documents connections between the Bush family and the
bin Ladens
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KK wired article on TOE etc
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:48:40 -0800
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler,
If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC.
These are probably the same arguments used by our state department, and I
have to take exception with them. US involvement with the middle
At 01:48 AM 11/19/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And of course Wolfram's book is a big seller. I won't comment, except that
I see no particularly strong evidence that he has changed the way science
is done, or will be done. Others
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 08:26 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC.
These are probably the same arguments used by our state
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:11:51AM -0800, Tim May wrote:
Alice uses a laptop or beltpack machine, with a Webcam or DV camcorder.
(Minor details of using the laptop while closed...some laptops support
this, others shut down. Hence the mention of beltpack/gargoyle
machines.)
[...]
Alice
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as an
Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only
remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we
simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I either decide to
not play, or I cheat. For the US, the first isn't an option.
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:59 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds
only remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we
do, we simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I
either
At 13:14 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
warfare. The reality is that the british
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:18 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
then you have a problem.
I never said that they were MY enemy.
'The Muslims'
are not a monolithic group, and have no
central leadership. This is a bit like
At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
who want to be able to control their own destinies, select their own
leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
Yes, it's just a new form of warfare. During the
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
warfare. The reality is that the british were marching in formation
for very, very
Mike Diehl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes
[much snippage]
. No, I think the Muslims need to back down, or be forced to.
[more snippage]
If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
then you have a problem. 'The Muslims'
are not a monolithic group, and
Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
who want to be able to control their own destinies, select their own
leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
Yes, it's
--
On 19 Nov 2002 at 12:02, Kevin Elliott wrote:
If you read between the lines of US history, you'll discover
that America did not begin to succeed in the war until late
in the war when the troops had become better trained and
disciplined.
This is not my interpretation. Rather, the
Mikey:
I would suggest tangling with Chomsky for a bit. Start with...
http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11ItemID=2312
And then go from there. I have to agree with Peter Trei that your arguments
sound pretty pre-packaged and freeze-dried, very similar to the pablum the
American
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