RE: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Lucky Green
Adam wrote: The Russians, Americans and I believe others have moved from physical to psychological methods which have proven to work better than actual physical pain. I recall reading a story on Abdul Murad, the Al Qaeda member arrested in 1995 in the Philipines, where the way they

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Adam Shostack
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:30:42PM -0800, Tim May wrote: | On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote: | | On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: | | to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than | this, | they will have unknowingly destroyed the real

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-21 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Tyler Durden wrote: [...] Let's say I've been coerced into revealing the private key to a certain encrypted message. And now, of course, the authorities use that key and open the message, and see the contents (let's assume they are picture of a demonstration or whatever). WOULDN'T IT BE

Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get the oil. Who's ne

2002-11-21 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Kevin Elliott wrote: 2) rifled muskets were not effective because of the ponderous reload time (I don't have precise figures, but the number 1/6th-1/10th the rate of fire of a smoothbore musket comes to mind) There isn't that much difference in reload times - say 30 seconds for a Kentucky

Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than this, they will have unknowingly destroyed the real data. (Perhaps a 3rd key is needed that DOESN'T destroy the

Re: The End of the Golden Age of Crypto

2002-11-21 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Jim Choate wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Damn what a pack of geeks! (Looks like I might end up liking this list!) When we say complete, are we talking about completeness in the Godelian sense? According to Godel, and formal system (except for the possibility of the

DMCA Feedback

2002-11-21 Thread Mike Rosing
There's a few opinionated people on this list, I think :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike -- Forwarded message -- From: MX%[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathon Giffin 20-NOV-2002 18:19:49.35 To: MX%[EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Subj: [PKILAB] [SECRSCH] DMCA Feedback For anyone

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-21 Thread Tyler Durden
Variola wrote... What's missing? What part of your threat model didn't they consider? Well, that the recipient of the message may not be on their own machine (not running Rubberhose), etc... Stego your activist photos into kiddie porn which is stegoed into random plaintext cover images.

Re: Psuedo-Private Key -Methodology

2002-11-21 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:26 PM, Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: 'A' uses a very strong crytographic algorithm which would be forced out by rubber horse cryptanalysis Now if Aice could give another key k` such that the cipher text (c) decrypts to another dummy plain

[IP] Pentagon transcript on TIA (fwd)

2002-11-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:31:58 -0500 From: Dave Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ip [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IP] Pentagon transcript on TIA http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latestf=02112003.tltt=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml

RE: Compilers Can Optimize Away Security Code (fwd)

2002-11-21 Thread Trei, Peter
Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,717141,00.asp Why the heck is cypherpunks included for this post? Two weeks ago we discussed this topic in exhaustive detail (far, far beyond what the linked article provides). This article has nothing new.

Re: New Wi-Fi Security Scheme Allows DoS (fwd)

2002-11-21 Thread Sarad AV
hi, But there's a hitch: When WPA detects a break-in attempt, it shuts down the network for a minute and then restarts. During that time, legitimate users are off the air too. Unauthorised access can be taken off by setting fake access points as such,whats the need for shutting down the

Re: Compilers Can Optimize Away Security Code (fwd)

2002-11-21 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 17:56 -0600 on 11/20/02, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,717141,00.asp As if we hadn't talked the living crap out of this subject... Use the volatile keyword. That's what it's there for. Really. -- _ Kevin Elliott

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-21 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 10:25 PM, jet wrote: At 9:01 -0800 2002/11/20, Eric Cordian wrote: Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels. You got any

Aerosil digression

2002-11-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Got Aerosil? What the heck is Aerosil? Is that like UBIK? Extremely fine SiO2. Helps disperse pharmaceuticals, anthrax, VX. Lots of others uses. Bugs U$G that the New Next Target bought some. What's UBIK? D'you mean Dr. Seuss' Ooblek? Is Ooblek on the ITAR list? --- Got Atropine?

RE: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Greg Broiles
At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said recording, the honorable judge proposes the issuance of formal

Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera)

2002-11-21 Thread Sarad AV
hi, I had suggested the same for an encryption product called digisecret,this is what they had to say. Here is an example where hiding cipher text in cipher text is ideal.. DigiSecret currently does not use assymmetric algorithms. Besides this the introduction of this technique will mean that

Re: Aerosil digression

2002-11-21 Thread Tyler Durden
UBIK is a book by Philip K. Dick. In the book, the main character is continually receiving messages to imbibe or otherwise apply the substance UBIK to himself. He is unaware (for most of the book) that he has died and is in deep freeze, and that his boss Runciter is sending him UBIK messages so

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-21 Thread Marc Branchaud
Having read the article I can't help but consider more benign reasons for its removal... 1. It's not funny. 2. It's jokes are in pretty poor taste. 3. Michael Bay got his lawyers to send a letter to the Onion. The situation raises a mildly interesting issue. The Onion, for whatever reason

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Greg Broiles wrote: At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said

Re: New Wi-Fi Security Scheme Allows DoS (fwd)

2002-11-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:38 AM 11/21/02 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: I was thinkin about this... It certainly looks like Concerned Authorities might be able to easily stop a Smart Mob from uploading the images of beatings, etc... this way. That and a round-up-and-grab knapsacks/laptops as evidence of illegal activity,

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-21 Thread jet
At 23:46 -0800 2002/11/20, Tim May wrote: On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 10:25 PM, jet wrote: At 9:01 -0800 2002/11/20, Eric Cordian wrote: Cable News is reporting that the Onion, America's Finest News Source, has pulled from its Web site an article on the recent siege at the Moscow

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-21 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 09:52 AM, Marc Branchaud wrote: I wonder: if The Onion were to attempt to pull an article due to a court order, or some such, and yet the article persisted in various caches here and there, to what extent could The Onion be charged with not complying with the

RE: Aerosil digression

2002-11-21 Thread Trei, Peter
Major Variola (ret)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: What's UBIK? D'you mean Dr. Seuss' Ooblek? Is Ooblek on the ITAR list? Check out the UBIK website: http://www.philipkdick.com/ubikcorp.htm Ubik Corporation: Providing spiritual salvation through a variety of convenience products.

Re: Onion Self-Censorship

2002-11-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:46:20PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Web crawlers (observers, in quantum mechanics lingo) saw the article and indexed it is enough for me to beleve it was there, at least temporarily. It was, and as of an hour or two ago it was still on the Onion's mobile.theonion.com

Re: DMCA Feedback

2002-11-21 Thread Declan McCullagh
Note the rulemaking is limited. See below. --Declan http://news.com.com/2100-1023-966525.html Because it won't affect researchers or companies that publish software code that circumvents copy-protection technology, the practical impact of the new rulemaking is limited. It could not have helped