Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Hal Finney
Thomas Shaddack writes: Reading some news about the email wiretapping by ISPs, and getting an idea. There are various email forwarding services, which are nothing more than a SMTP server with pairs of [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, mostly for use as disposable email

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 11:36:11PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 06:58 AM 7/7/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: I can't imagine any intelligence professional wasting her time reading the crap at times coming over this list. Frankly sir, that's because you have no idea of their budget, or

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:32 PM 7/5/04 +0200, Anonymous wrote: Major Variola (ret) writes: The yanks did not wear regular uniforms and did not march in rows in open fields like Gentlemen. Asymmetric warfare means not playing by *their* rules. But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not being very

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Justin
On 2004-07-05T21:32:16+0200, Anonymous wrote: Major Variola (ret) writes: The yanks did not wear regular uniforms and did not march in rows in open fields like Gentlemen. Asymmetric warfare means not playing by *their* rules. But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 02:47 PM 7/6/04 -0700, Hal Finney wrote: Messages in storage have much lower judicial protection than messages in transit. (This does not have much technical merit, in the current atmosphere of damn the laws - there are terrorists around the corner, but can be seen as a nice little

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:44 PM 7/6/04 +, Justin wrote: It may be that the only way out is through, and that the only way to be free from Western Imperialism is to cause it to strangle itself. You don't get it. The way to be free from Colonialists is to remind the folks *behind the Colonialism* that they are

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Tyler Durden
If you think the cable landings in Va/Md are coincidental, you are smoking something I've run out of. Its all recorded. I'm sure the archiving and database groups in Ft. Meade will get a chuckle out of your the right to idioms. Well, I don't actually believe it's all recorded. As I've attempted

Re: Privacy laws and social engineering

2004-07-07 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: So, which is better, Schneier's books or Mitnick's? I suspect the former, but am curious what the community opinion is? You may like one side of the coin more than the other one, but they still belong to the same flat, dirty, formerly shiny

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Bill Stewart
Somebody wrote WTC doesn't make sense as a target Everybody I knew was _much_ more upset about the WTC than the Pentagon. As one friend put it I don't care about the Pentagon. Now, partly that's because of the shock of the buildings collapsing, which seemed much more dramatic than the Pentagon

Switzerland forcing registration of PrePay customers

2004-07-07 Thread Dave Emery
- Forwarded message from NEXTEL-1 - -- Switzerland forcing registration of PrePay customers The Swiss parliament decided last year to make registration mandatory for prepaid cards. By law, all mobile providers will have be able to provide information about

Privacy laws and social engineering

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
A friend of mine botched a suicide attempt and in order to get any info I (we) pretended we were stepbrothers. It occurred to me a half hour later that we had the same first names. So it must have been confusing to our fictious stepmom :-) But if you play up a story about dysfunctional

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:47 PM 7/6/2004, Hal Finney wrote: Thomas Shaddack writes: There are various email forwarding services, which are nothing more than a SMTP server with pairs of [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, mostly for use as disposable email addresses. I've used spamgourmet to good effect,

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Tyler Durden
Destroying an pair of buildings and killing thousands of citizens -most of whom couldn't give an accurate account of U.S. forces distribution in the MidEast- is not a step forward. Well, I think that was the point. At least, Al-Qaeda was saying (amongst other things) that the US public could no

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:58 AM 7/7/04 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: I can't imagine any intelligence professional wasting her time reading the crap at times coming over this list. Frankly sir, that's because you have no idea of their budget, or their fascistic urges.Its not paranoia to think you're tapped, its

Re: Privacy laws and social engineering

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:10 AM 7/7/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: So, which is better, Schneier's books or Mitnick's? I suspect the former, but am curious what the community opinion is? You may like one side of the coin more than the other one, but they still

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 09:40:29PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: smoking something I've run out of. Its all recorded. I'm sure the archiving and database groups in Ft. Meade will get a chuckle out of your the right to idioms. All this stuff goes into some database slot. It will only

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Absolutely, look at the threat model. You're not worried about someone breaking into your computer, you're worried about your ISP legally reading your email. Guaranteed, and encryption is bait. Use stego. That's very true, however there can be operators you trust more than your ISP, eg. a

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Sunder
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Anonymous wrote: But asymm warfare has to accomplish its goal. It's not being very successful. The only people who are siding with al-qaeda are those whose brains are already mush -statist socialists, to be precise. If al qaeda bombed government buildings or targetted

Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Reading some news about the email wiretapping by ISPs, and getting an idea. There are various email forwarding services, which are nothing more than a SMTP server with pairs of [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages in storage have much lower judicial protection than messages in

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Hal Finney wrote: There are various email forwarding services, which are nothing more than a SMTP server with pairs of [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Right, mostly for use as disposable email addresses. I've used spamgourmet to good effect, myself. I

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Eric Cordian
Sunder wrote: Right, WTC as a target doesn't make any strategic sense. Doesn't hitting a world financial center impede the funding of imperialism? If you apply the same standards the US uses to classify dual use infrastructure, and organizations linked to the enemy, I think the WTC is pretty

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Justin wrote: On 2004-07-06T11:28:41-0700, Eric Cordian wrote: Sunder wrote: Right, WTC as a target doesn't make any strategic sense. Doesn't hitting a world financial center impede the funding of imperialism? Empirically, I don't think so. Since September 11th,

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they took out a few key COs downtown one morning the effect on the economy would be significant. It depends on what your goal is. As someone else on this list pointed out, terrorism is just another form of PR. If OBL took out (say) that huge ATT CO in

Re: UBL is George Washington

2004-07-07 Thread Tyler Durden
And this was a prime target. Financial disruption from *just* the tower collapses was significant across the economy as a whole: lost records, insurance claims, lawsuits, etc., exacted a very substantial loss against their enemy. That was nothing compared to the real damage, which I've heard few

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 10:28:01AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, I don't actually believe it's all recorded. As I've attempted to explain previously, they almost certainly have risk models in place. When several variables twinkle enough (eg, origination area, IP address, presence of

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:28 AM 7/7/2004, Tyler Durden wrote: If you think the cable landings in Va/Md are coincidental, you are smoking something I've run out of. Its all recorded. I'm sure the archiving and database groups in Ft. Meade will get a chuckle out of your the right to idioms. Well, I don't actually

Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-07 Thread Adam Back
This is somewhat related to what ZKS did in their version 1 [1,2] mail system. They made a transparent local pop proxy (transparent in that it happened at firewall level, did not have to change your mail client config). In this case they would talk to your real pop server, decrypt the parts

Re: Final stage

2004-07-07 Thread Sunder
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote: Praise Allah! The spires of the West will soon come crashing down! SCREED Deleted Laying it on just a little thick, no? Here we go again. Get ready for more FUD from the

Final stage

2004-07-07 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
Praise Allah! The spires of the West will soon come crashing down! Our Brother wishes for us to meet at the previously discussed southeastern roadhouse on August 1st, in preparation for the operations scheduled for August 6th and 9th. Alternative targets have been chosen. Contact Jibril if you

Re: Final stage

2004-07-07 Thread Riad S. Wahby
J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laying it on just a little thick, no? Either it's a slow day in law enforcement or someone forgot to take their meds again. :-P -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Privacy laws and social engineering

2004-07-07 Thread Sunder
On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Sometimes you get access by telnet. Sometimes by a voice call. Hack the mainframe. Hack the secretary. What's better? (Okay, I agree, you can't sleep with the mainframe.) I feel zen today. Me too: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#31