Re: [dccp] DCCP specification updates

2006-03-16 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
This seems consistent with previous discussions. Gorry Hi all, We have proofread the DCCP spec in detail for AUTH48, and have found a number of technical nits. There was one thing that I wanted to mention explicitly before AUTH48 ends. We propose to change the default value of the

FW: [dccp] draft minutes from Dallas, please check

2006-03-24 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
for the proceedings and tell the WG. 3) We will do a last call to everyone on the DCCP list for corrections to the notes for final version of the note for proceedings. This will be well before the deadline of April 21, Friday. If you notice anything amiss, please do let Tom and I know! Best wishes, Gorry

Re: [dccp] Re: faster restart updates

2006-06-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Although I agree that CN packets are a function of the media codec, they *COULD* offer a mitigation to the effects of longer delay paths. When the Path RTT is short (e.g. less than a tenth of a second), then the TFRC algorithm already grows a window in a short time (e.g. still much less

[dccp] Restart of WGLC for draft-ietf-DCCP-tfrc-voip-05.txt

2006-09-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
WG Internet Draft: draft-ietf-DCCP-tfrc-voip -05.txt TCP Friendly Rate Control (TFRC): the Small-Packet (SP) Variant Dear DCCP WG, The Chairs would like to say sorry for the long delay in processing the I-D below, following its WGLC. We now intend to progress this. While preparing the

[dccp] Reminder of WGLC for draft-ietf-DCCP-tfrc-voip-05.txt (to close 24:00 9th October 2006)

2006-10-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
A reminer that the WGLC is currently on-going - anyone interested in this I-D is welcome to send questions and requests for clarification within the WGLC period. Best wishes, Gorry Tom (DCCP WG Chairs) Original Message Dear DCCP WG, The Chairs would like to say sorry

Re: [dccp] Packet size s on CCID3 (sudden changes in s)

2006-10-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Eddie said: snip No valid implementation would use a large s for X_calc and a small s for t_ipi. They are the same variable and must take the same value in both calculations. (If the app changes s between feedback packets, then maybe the cached X_calc used a different value of s than t_ipi;

Re: [dccp] DTLS/DCCP and Service Codes

2006-11-01 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
We need as a WG to understand what it means to use Service Codes - how these should be used by applications, how midboxes may leverage them, and what are the implications of allowing flexible assignments (more opportunities for applications to pretend to be what they are not??) There was

[dccp] RTCP/DCCP NiTs: draft-ietf-dccp-rtp-01.txt

2006-11-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Colin, I have just a few queries (mainly wording) about your I-D. Best wishes, Gorry --- In Section 4.2, you don't define or reference SIP when first used: for example by performing a SIP re-invite... - Perhaps say: Session Initiation Protocol, SIP [24] In Section 4.2 (towards the end) the

[dccp] Advance copies of meeting slides for the meeting tomorrow

2006-11-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I've uploaded advance copies of the slides that I have currently received for tomorrow's meeting of the DCCP WG. Other presenters - please could you send copies of your slides to me, and I will ensure they are uploaded. Advance copies of the presentations are extremely useful for people intend

Re: [dccp] Feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-tfrc-voip-05.txt (small PMTU)

2006-11-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Sally, I think the argument you put at the end of your email would be fine to address my concerns on different MSS. That leaves the issue of very small MTUs that was again raised at the meeting today. Clearly we can have small MTUs 576 B. An example of a very small MTU is:

Re: [dccp] Feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-tfrc-voip-05.txt (small PMTU)

2006-11-07 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
small packet sizes recognize that it is largely their problem. So I think a simple warning as Sally proposed would suffice. Richard. Gorry Fairhurst wrote: Sally, I think the argument you put at the end of your email would be fine to address my concerns on different MSS

[dccp] Proposal to adopt draft-phelan-dccp-dtls-01.txt as a WG document

2006-11-10 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
to contribute? Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst (DCCP WG Co-Chair)

[dccp] I-D ACTION:draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-01.txt

2007-01-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : The DCCP Service Code Author(s) : G. Fairhurst Filename: draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-01.txt Pages : 15 Date:

[dccp] [Fwd: Re: [Tsvwg] review solicitation for ICCRG congestion control survey]]

2007-01-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Forwarded email in relation to ICCRG work: From: Erblichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please forward if you think it is appropriate,, Authors, Layout/per RFC question, Can I suggest a different per RFC layout. In my opinion, each RFC listing item should include the type of

Re: [dccp] Question on resetting nominal send time

2007-01-19 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Ian, I can see what you are saying, and indeed this is an interesting problem area, in that it impacts what we understand as correct behaviour, but also impinges on what we may accept as accceptable implementation cost. I'll let others figure out their advice to you... Gorry Ian McDonald

Re: [dccp] Separate header checksums and WiFi

2007-02-01 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
in such a clustered fashion that you wouldn't see any packets with an intact header but erroneous payload (which is the only situation where the scheme would yield any benefit). I think that it was Gorry Fairhurst who said this. I figured that the only convincing way to prove him wrong

Re: [dccp] TFRC minrate calc ... TFRC.bis CCID-3 advancement

2007-02-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
then modified. Eddie Gorry Fairhurst wrote: TFRC.bis is a maintainance version of TFRC, to correct the TFRC specification and will obsolete it when published. The stated milestone date is July 2007 - my notes show this is currently pending inputs from implementors (please do contribute

[dccp] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-02.txt]

2007-02-16 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I'd like to put forward this document as an Individual Submission to be discussed at the next WG meeting (NOT as the WG Chair this time!) Thoughts on the direction, usefulness and comments on the text are welcome! Best wishes, Gorry Original Message Subject: New Version

[dccp] Internet-Drafts Submission for the 68th IETF Meeting in Prague

2007-02-23 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Please see note enclosed, also if you would like to have any agenda time at this meeting to report status of discuss issues relating to a draft, please do send an email to the Chairs, Best wishes, Gorry Tom Original Message Subject: Internet-Drafts Submission Cutoff

[dccp] Some comments on the draft of 3448/TFRC.bis (Feb 2007)

2007-02-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Sally, co-Editors, Here are a list of issues we have found from the email discussions we have been involved with, and/or our research. Please don't take these as corrections, but they are things that we'd like you to consider (apologies in advance if these are wrongly attributed to

[dccp] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-03.txt]

2007-03-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I have updated this I-D with corrections received from others and some new additions to section 4. Comments and questions are welcome... best wishes, Gorry --- draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-03.txt. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-03.txt Abstract

Re: [dccp] Some comments on the draft of 3448/TFRC.bis (Feb 2007)

2007-03-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Ian McDonald wrote: On 2/28/07, Gorry Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Ian - In section 4.3 of RFC3448 we have the equation for X as: If (p 0) Calculate X_calc using the TCP throughput equation. X = max(min(X_calc, 2*X_recv), s/t_mbi); I have been

[dccp] IETF **REVISED** IETF-68 DCCP Meeting Agenda

2007-03-16 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
PROTECTED] Gorry Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. Agenda Bashing (10 minutes) - Chair * Agenda changes * Election of Scribe for Proceedings * Jabber Scribe 2. Document Status (5 minutes) - Chair * Milestones. New WG I-D on DTLS

Re: [dccp] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-03.txt]

2007-03-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks, When it comes to use htonl/ntohl with a socket opt, I guess others may have more clue than me... please do also reply! See in-line. Gorry Ian McDonald wrote: On 3/6/07, Gorry Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have updated this I-D with corrections received from others

Re: [dccp] Why do we have or should have keep-alive packets?

2007-03-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Colin Perkins wrote: Gorry, Some comments/thoughts inline. On 26 Mar 2007, at 12:09, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: This email is to start a discussion on the use and requirements for protocol keep-alive packets in DCCP. This is a follow-up to discussing the RTP/DCCP draft. A keep-alive packet

Re: [dccp] Why do we have or should have keep-alive packets?

2007-03-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Arjuna Sathiaseelan wrote: I have some doubts. The question is Who has control over Who? Does the application layer control the transport protocol, or do transport protocols have their own autonomy? So if the application does'nt send any data, should the transport protocol send keep alives by

Re: [dccp] RE: [e2e] Small packets - Definition needed..

2007-03-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Breaking the cross-post between list... (just to DCCP). So, as far as DCCP is concerned, 576B also seems big to me. There are apps doing bulk transfers with this size (albeit with a lack of working PMTUD to know better). 1500 B at 10 ms spacing is 1.2 Mbps - which is not small. One

Re: [dccp] Why do we have or should have keep-alive packets?

2007-03-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
(into April) Gorry Phelan, Tom wrote: Hi Gorry, See inline... Tom P. -Original Message- From: Gorry Fairhurst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:58 AM To: Arjuna Sathiaseelan Cc: dccp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dccp] Why do we have or should have keep-alive packets

Re: [dccp] Why do we have or should have keep-alive packets?

2007-03-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
you tell what its purpose is? Do we need to reserve zero-length packets for use by only one of these functions? Tom P. -Original Message- From: Gorry Fairhurst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dccp@ietf.org Subject: [dccp] Why do we

[dccp] Re: [Fwd: Feedback on your serv codes draft]

2007-05-09 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks for your comments. Please see comments and questions in-line, all thoughts welcome. When we conclude these issues, I'll post a revised I-D. Best wishes, Gorry Gorry, * General comment: The draft argues that services codes allow the decoupling of service identification from

Re: [dccp] Comments on draft-fairhurst-dccp-serv-codes-03.txt

2007-06-07 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Eddie Kohler wrote: Tom, The addition of service codes by DCCP allows us to break this demultiplexing/identifying duality. We can now say that the *exclusive* use of port numbers is for demultiplexing, and the *exclusive* use of service codes is for identifying applications. This implies a

Re: [dccp] Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dccp-rtp - Service Code

2007-06-11 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Colin, The form of the IANA line to update the registry should normatively be a big-endian 32-bit number (RFC 4340, 19.8), the 4 character ascii is an alternative represenation. 3. I believe the draft needs to define a value for its IANA- registered DCCP service codes, as service codes

Re: [dccp] Service codes

2007-07-26 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
On 25/7/07 12:32, Mark Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's a draft draft on the issue. I think this is in keeping with your mail, but provides background too, and I think changes how IANA allocates DCCP ports. Comments? Flames? Shall I turn this into a proper draft, or is there

Re: [dccp] DCCP for VoIP

2007-08-20 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
-Original Message- From: Sally Floyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: den 20 augusti 2007 02:27 To: Eddie Kohler Cc: Gorry Fairhurst; Golam Sarwar; Sebastien Ardon; 'dccp' working group; Roksana Boreli Subject: Re: [dccp] DCCP for VoIP This sounds like a very interesting idea. While

[dccp] New draft :draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-01.txt

2007-10-02 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I have just uploaded a new version of the Service Codes draft. The main focus of this revision was to consolidate the text towards some solutions (previous revisions included a range of options gathered from the list and seeking to answer questions that were raised). - Historical

Re: [dccp] New draft :draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-01.txt

2007-10-11 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Eddie, thank you for your comments, this has been very helpful. I'm pleased to try to address the issues you raised (see below), and will make a new revision soon. My belief is that draft is converging (and it is shortening each rev). I note that several fundamental issues will still need to

Re: [dccp] New draft :draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-01.txt

2007-10-13 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Eddie Kohler wrote: snip SC=0 allows Unix-like implementations to associate a valid Service Code with every socket, without changing the procedure used for opening sockets (i.e., without adding extra setsockopt calls or adding members to struct sockaddr). Linux for a time used SC=0 this

Re: [dccp] New draft :draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-01.txt

2007-10-13 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Eddie Kohler wrote: Gorry Fairhurst wrote: Eddie Kohler wrote: snip If the application requires a new Service Code, one may either be chosen a value from the private range (Section 2.3), or a new Service Code may be requested from the IANA. Private Use range is intended for interim

[dccp] DCCP - Building the agenda for the Vancouver IETF Meeting

2007-11-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Dear all, We have a provisional Agenda slot for DCCP, and the WG Chairs would welcome requests for Agenda slots for short presentations on active drafts relating to DCCP and congestion control. Please copy all requests to both chairs. Best wishes, Tom Gorry The provisional agenda is at:

[dccp] A method for easier allocation of server ports for DCCP applications

2007-11-11 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I finished a revision of the SC draft (rev -02) last month. In this revision, I decided to step-back from the problem of easier allocation of server ports to Service Codes. One possibility would be to find a way to allow easier allocation of DCCP server ports (e.g. also from a specific DCCP

[dccp] Close-read of DTLS - questions on latest revision.

2007-12-01 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I have some questions, actually nearly all of these relate to the one paragraph on PMTU with DTLS, the last para of section 5. Best wishes, Gorry -- 1) /DTLS implementations SHOULD control the use of the DF-bit in concert/

[dccp] Three comments on reading draft-ietf-dccp-rfc3448bis-03.txt.

2007-12-02 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I have just finished reading the latest rev of 3448.bis. I have only a few questions. I think this is a good sign, and look forward to your response and the presentation in the DCCP meeting. Best wishes, Gorry --- Page 14 /because many implementations do not use delayed acknowledgements... we

[dccp] Notes for remote participants at IEFT-70

2007-12-02 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
You can find the agenda and presentation materials at http://datatracker.ietf.org/public/meeting_materials.cgi?meeting_num=70 Presentation slides will be uploaded prior to the meeting time, and afterwards (as necessary). IPR reminder - RFC 3979

Re: [dccp] Comments on draft-fairhurst-dccp-behave-update-01.txt

2007-12-04 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks Tom. We started thinking in our Intro about firewalls, and in the process picked up a lot of text on NATs. We *did* intend to write in terms of DCCP client and server, so let us know what we got wrong. We could be happy to split the NAT stuff towards the NAT draft, when and if that

[dccp] DCCP CCID-3 Implementor Feedback - Questions?

2007-12-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
During the WG meeting today we looked at the following set of questions posed by implementors. Could people in the working group please look at these questions and see if they are able to help with answers? Questions relayed by gorry to the list: 1) Input is solicited how DCCP is being used

[dccp] A non-registry way to assign a default port to EVERY Service Code.

2007-12-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Since Service Codes are freely assigned, and application developers are encouraged to ask for what they need, it would be nice for these developers to also know which port to use in some loosely coordinated fashion! Free assignment of ports with Service Codes is one alternative, but has many

[dccp] DCCP adhoc meeting at IETF-70 to investigate use of ports in DCCP

2007-12-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thursday 1610-1700; Meet outside Capilano. This email announces a short meeting to focus on the way in which ports and service codes should be reflected in the DCCP protocol. The aim is to move forward from the discussion on allocating ports following the DCCP meeting yesterday, and the tsvarea

[dccp] DCCP session minutes from IETF-70 (Vancouver)

2007-12-10 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Here are the first cut DRAFT meeting minutes from our session. http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/minutes/dccp.txt Comments and corrections are appreciated. Please submit all amendments and/or corrections by 31 December 2007. Thanks Gorry Tom DCCP WG co-chairs

Re: [dccp] The RTO=4*RTT thing in TFRC

2007-12-19 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Yes, this could be explained clearer - and probably should be. My thinking was: * The TCP RTO was 3 RTTs+variance term. * TFRC does not usually provide prompt feedback of status from a receiver. It could be up to one RTT later before a sender receives feedback. Hence, NFT is (3RTT)+RTT.

[dccp] DCCP Vancouver minutes - Proceedings submission corrections

2008-01-08 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I have uploaded the final version of the minutes including all currently requested corrections (and spelling mistakes, etc). Please let us know if any further corrections are required. Best wishes, Gorry Tom

[dccp] WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments: draft-ietf-dccp-dtls-04

2008-01-10 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
for the process following completion of the WGLC shall be me, as the dccp Co-Chair (Gorry Fairhurst). Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst (DCCP WG Co-Chair)

Re: [dccp] WGLC comments for draft-ietf-dccp-dtls-04

2008-01-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
See also in-line comments from me (this has opened some new questions on the text). Phelan, Tom wrote: Hi Pasi, Thanks for the careful reading and comments. See inline... Tom P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008

[dccp] Comments on draft-ietf-dccp-dtls-04.txt

2008-01-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I have the following comments, which I'd like to be taken into consideration during this WGLC: There are two issues I'd like clarified: --- Page 7, section 3.5, para 2. Alternatively, DTLS over DCCP implemenations MAY choose to use its own PMTU Discovery... - The recent comments from Pasi,

[dccp] [Fwd: Invited review: draft-ietf-dccp-rfc3448bis-03.txt?]

2008-01-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Vladimir, said I could forward this to the authors and list. To remind people, we're expecting a revised I-D that addresses the comments from the reviewers and any from this list. We then hope to be able to start a WGLC. Best wishes, Gorry (DCCP WG Co-Chair) Hello Gorry, I have not

[dccp] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-dccp-dtls-04.txt (18th January 2008)]

2008-01-21 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
. The WG Chair will then prepare a write-up for submission to the IESG. Any further comments on the process or issues with this draft should be directed to the WG Chairs. Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst (DCCP WG Chair)

[dccp] [Fwd: DTLS over DCCP -05 (Intention to submit to IESG Write-Up)]

2008-02-15 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
1, 2007. (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Gorry Fairhurst

[dccp] New revision of The DCCP Service Code

2008-02-18 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Dear all, I've just posted a new revision of the Service Codes draft. This version contains the result of some discussion on the IANA procedures and some editorial work to prepare this for a WGLC. I'd appreciate inputs from those interested in the IANA procedures to help determine if the

[dccp] Draft Agenda now available for IETF-71

2008-02-26 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I've uploaded a draft agenda at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/71/materials.html If you are listed as a presenter and have not yet contacted the Chairs - please email us as soon as possible:-) If you have slides ready, then please do send them. (Please send by noon Monday 10th at the

[dccp] WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments: draft-ietf-dccp-rfc3448bis-05.txt

2008-02-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
as an PROPOSED STANDARD RFC. Please *DO* forward any comments to the list. The document shepherd for the process following completion of the WGLC shall be me, as the dccp Co-Chair (Gorry Fairhurst). Best wishes, Gorry Tom (DCCP WG Co-Chairs)

[dccp] Request for slides from presenters at IETF-71

2008-03-07 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Rate Control (TFRC.bis) (Sally Floyd - Proxy, 5 min) - WGLC Faster Restart (Sally Floyd - Proxy, 10 min) DCCP CCID4: TFRC with Small Packets (Sally Floyd - Proxy, 10 min) Gorry Fairhurst (me) WG Chairs slides Service Codes (Gorry Fairhurst, 15 min) Michele (to be confirmed) IANA Allocation

Re: [dccp] AD review of draft-ietf-dccp-rfc3448bis-05.txt

2008-03-07 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I understand that RFC3448 will be obsoleted by publication of this documents. Implementors of TFRC need to carefully consider the new draft within the last-call! As for RFC4242 (CCID-3), the language in the RFC is clear: 3.1. Relationship with TFRC The congestion control mechanisms

[dccp] Reminder: WG Last-Call (WGLC) for comments: draft-ietf-dccp-rfc3448bis-05.txt - 3 Days to go!

2008-03-19 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
. This document is intended for publication as an PROPOSED STANDARD RFC. Please *DO* forward any comments to the list. The document shepherd for the process following completion of the WGLC shall be me, as the dccp Co-Chair (Gorry Fairhurst). Best wishes, Gorry Tom (DCCP WG Co-Chairs)

Re: [dccp] New revision of The DCCP Service Code

2008-03-19 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Here is a reply to your much earlier email - which I think I forgot to send. Sorry, I was doing several things at once and didn't reply earlier. Thanks for your comments. I am going to prepare a new revision and post a URL to cover the changes from your comments, the ones from the WG meeting

[dccp] New revision: draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-05.txt

2008-04-22 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
I've just submitted draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-05.txt. This revision incorporates feedback around the last DCCP WG meeting via the list and meeting, and recent comments from Colin on the interim version: Tom Phelan suggested clarification was needed for the usage of well- known ports

[dccp] [Fwd: FW: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dccp-rfc3448bis-06.txt]

2008-05-20 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
This includes a copy of Gen-ART review comments for TFRC.bis, Gorry I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please wait for direction from your

[dccp] New Version Notification for draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-dccp-qs-03

2008-05-30 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
The authors have now completed a new version of this draft, and would like to receive any comments that people may have. Best wishes, Gorry Arjuna A new version of I-D, draft-fairhurst-tsvwg-dccp-qs-03.txt has been successfuly submitted by Gorry Fairhurst and posted to the IETF repository

Re: [dccp] draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-06 - Treatment of SC in Ipsec SPD ???

2008-06-24 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
, On 2008-6-20, at 16:07, ext Gorry Fairhurst wrote: I received this email from Alfred (cc'ed above), who has kindly allowed me to forward this to the dccp list. It asks about the use of IPsec SPD's with DCCP Service Codes... an interesting question - do others have ideas on how this should be handled

[dccp] DCCP Working Group Agenda for Dublin - Presenters please contact chairs

2008-07-10 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
The current DCCP agenda is at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/agenda/dccp.txt Please could all people listed as speakers now confirm with the chairs whether they will be present and wish to present (the chairs can also arrange for slides to be presented, if they are sent ahead of the

Re: [dccp] Review of draft-ietf-dccp-quickstart-00.txt

2008-08-20 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
We received the following helpful review comments from Michael Scharf, as below. THANKS Michael!!! Please see in-line our responses. We would appreciate any further comments or questions people may have and then intend to produce a revised document at the end of next week. Best wishes,

Re: [dccp] Review of draft-ietf-dccp-quickstart-00.txt

2008-08-20 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
We received the following helpful review comments from Michael Scharf, as below. THANKS!!! Please see in-line our responses. We would appreciate any further comments or questions people may have and then intend to produce a revised document at the end of next week. Best wishes, Gorry and

Re: [dccp] Review of draft-ietf-dccp-quickstart-00.txt

2008-08-22 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Scharf wrote: Some minor comments inline On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 at 17:01:10, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: * Section 2.1: The term natural media rate is rather vague. For VBR traffic, is it the average rate? Or the peak rate? Good question, we intended to leave this open, but if you have suggestions

Re: [dccp] Working group last call for service codes

2008-09-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Eddie Kohler wrote: My favorite thing in this new draft is the specific way you have identified changes to RFC4340. Thanks! Good to see I finally addressed that issue. Thanks for your feedback. Detailed comments. Service Codes allow a flexible correspondence between application-

Re: [dccp] Working group last call for service codes

2008-09-08 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
. Thanks, Gorry -- Dr Gorry Fairhurst, School of Engineering. The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland No SC013683.

Re: [dccp] Working group last call for service codes - reply

2008-09-18 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Phelan, Tom wrote: Hi Gorry, See inline for comments on comments :-). Sorry it took so long :-(. Tom P. [snipped] I added a ref in 3.2: NEW: Network address and port translators, known collectively as NATs [RFC2663], may interpret DCCP ports [RFC2993] [ID.Behave-DCCP]. I also updated

Re: [dccp] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-02.txt

2008-09-18 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks, These all seem reasonable requests. I'm picking-up the editorial job from Gerrit and will prepare a new rev. after we receive your comments on 2.3 and following. Gorry. Phelan, Tom wrote: Hi Gorry, General comment The need for this and the technical approach seem solid to me, but

Re: [dccp] review of draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-02

2008-09-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks for these comments. Dan Wing wrote: The introduction mentions that DCCP simultaneous open can be disabled (turned off). However, there is no further information regarding this. Is there a reason why a DCCP stack would want to disable this functionality? As you know, there is no

[dccp] Review comments on draft-ietf-behave-dccp-03.txt (LC)

2008-10-09 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
This draft looks good to me. I have a few comments on the DCCP aspects of NAT traversal. (Some of these are editorial, a few were also noted earlier but do not seem to have resulted in new text or discussion). I look forward to seeing new text or feedback on these topics, Best wishes, Gorry

[dccp] draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05 is now ready.

2008-10-09 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
as a normative reference in draft-ietf-behave-dccp-03.txt (now in LC). Gorry Fairhurst (as document author)

[dccp] WGLC for draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05 closes Friday, 14-Nov-2008

2008-11-06 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
, Gorry Fairhurst (Co-Chair to DCCP) --- Phelan, Tom wrote: Hi All, This is to announce the start of Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05 (see http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05.txt for a copy). The last call will end on Friday, 14-Nov-2008. Please

[dccp] WGLC for draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05 - following up on comments

2008-11-17 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks Magnus, I think these are helpful comments, and include an initial response below. Although the WGLC has now closed, I'd also like to encourage anyone on the list to also send comments to the list before the WG meeting. It seems useful to use some of the time at the DCCP meeting to

Re: [dccp] WGLC for draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05 - following up on comments

2008-11-18 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks for your comments. Please see responses in line, Eddie Kohler wrote: The document's basic outline seems fine. Using a new packet type for this purpose seems fine. The document is not ready to publish yet, because of a high typo load and lack of specificity in how packets are

Re: [dccp] WGLC for draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05 - following up on comments

2008-11-18 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks Eddie, this is really valuable, more replies in-line. Eddie Kohler wrote: Gorry Fairhurst wrote: - It is not reasonable to restrict Listen packets to carry no options. A use may be found for Listen options one day. It suffices to say that Listen packets are currently ignored

[dccp] Draft DCCP Notes from IETF-73

2008-11-26 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Drfat copies of the notes from the meeting in Minneapolis have been uploaded to: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/minutes/dccp.txt Thanks as ever to our note-taker and jabber scribe (and the audio record). Please read and send any comments, questions, or corrections to the WG list.

[dccp] Interim version of draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open following end of WGLC - Comments please

2008-11-29 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Dear WG, The Last Call for WG comments has now concluded, and I'd like to offer up a new interim revision of the simultaneous-open draft, to replace draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-05. Please check this is correct and that this addresses all issues. The new text is available here:

Re: [dccp] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-06.txt

2008-12-08 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks Magnus, Please see my comments in-line. Gorry Magnus Westerlund wrote: Hi, Some comments on the new draft: Section 2.2.1: One of the bullets is missing an a to read At the time ... Will be fixed. Figure 2: Is the figure really correct with the listen' state. Does it really take

Re: [dccp] WLC for draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-06.txt

2008-12-19 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks Tom, I will read and update the draft, and get back on any comments that I can't see how to easily implement. Gorry Phelan, Tom wrote: Hi Gorry, See http://www.phelan-4.com/dccp/simul-open-06-tp-comments.pdf for suggested text changes, questions and comments. Changes from your -06

[dccp] New revision of QS for DCCP: draft-ietf-dccp-quickstart-02.txt

2009-03-03 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
This email is pleased to announce a new revision of the Quick-Start spec. for DCCP. This draft follows a detailed review by the authors, as well as inputs from several people in this and TSV groups. There are many changes to the text - but very little change to the protocol specification

[dccp] Progression of CCID-4

2009-03-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
wishes, Gorry Fairhurst (DCCP Co-Chair)

[dccp] Review comments on CCID-4 (draft-ietf-dccp-ccid4-02.txt)

2009-03-05 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Authors, WG, Here are my comments on CCID-4 rev 0-02, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dccp-ccid4-02 Best wishes, Gorry Overall: - The document will need revised boiler plate to address new IETF rules for I-D submission. Abstract: - It's good to say also that this

Re: [dccp] Review comments on CCID-4 (draft-ietf-dccp-ccid4-02.txt)

2009-03-10 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Sally, This is great, many thanks. I am pleased to see this is again progressing, and suggest we put this on the agenda for the DCCP meeting in San Francisco. I hope we can upload this soon after the I-D archives re-open on 2009-03-24. I have some comments below. Best wishes, Gorry ---

[dccp] 74th IETF - Early Bird Cutoff - March 13, 2009

2009-03-12 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
74th IETF Meeting San Francisco, CA March 22-27, 2009 Host: Juniper Early-Bird registration cutoff is tomorrow, Friday, March 13 at 17:00 PT (24:00 UTC). After that time, the registration fee will increase by $150 USD to $785 USD. Online registration for the IETF meeting is at:

[dccp] DCCP - Our session in SF has been re-scheduled for 1740-1940

2009-03-13 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Dear DCCP WG, Please note that our session in San Francisco has been re-scheduled for 1740-1940. Unless there is a lot of feedback and discussion (which may be good), I expect that we will not use all our allocated time. I'll send an email next week on the agenda items. Please do join us on

Re: [dccp] feedback on draft-ietf-dccp-quickstart-02.txt

2009-03-23 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks Sally, As arjuna said, we appreciate your review and Vincent's review. All you comments were useful. Here are our proposed updates to the draft text. Gorry Arjuna Sally Floyd wrote: Gorry and Arjuna - This looks fine to me. One sentence needs to be corrected: Section 2.4 says

[dccp] DCCP meeting notes, San Francisco

2009-03-25 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Chair: Gorry Fairhurst Notetaker: Pasi Sarolahti 1. Agenda Bashing * Sally Floyd: I haven not been to IETF for a while. I see that there are not many people in the WG, does this mean that DCCP is going to be dormant? * Gorry: Many of the documents on our charter

[dccp] Reminder of WGLC for: draft-ietf-dccp-ccid4-03.txt [end 16th April 2009]

2009-04-14 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
. This last call will end on midnight UTC on 16th April 2009 (allowing a few extra days for those traveling home from the IETF). If you would like to review this, but may need extra time, please contact me as soon as possible. Gorry Fairhurst (DCCP Co-Chair)

Re: [dccp] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-08

2009-04-27 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
David, Many thanks for you review comments. These were all useful and have resulted in the changes below. I am preparing an updated I-D rev -09 to include these changes. --- Section 3.2: Middlebox [RFC3234] implementors therefore need to note that new DCCP connections are identified by the

Re: [dccp] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-08

2009-04-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
, --David -Original Message- From: Gorry Fairhurst [mailto:go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:08 PM To: Black, David Cc: hous...@vigilsec.com; tphe...@sonusnet.com; lars.egg...@nokia.com; dccp@ietf.org Subject: Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dccp-serv-codes-08 David

[dccp] Conclusion of WGLC for: draft-ietf-dccp-ccid4-03.txt

2009-04-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Authors, WG, This note closes the IETF DCCP WGLC on CCID 4. During the LC, comments were received from Arjuna (below) and to this I would also like to add the following two comments. Please could the authors now issue a revised ID to address these issues? Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst DCCP

Re: [dccp] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dccp-simul-open-07.txt

2009-04-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Thanks for this review, it is much appreciated. All these comments are valid, and I have made the corrections in my copy of the draft. I plan to issue a new revision on conclusion of the Last Call. Best wishes, Gorry Miguel A. Garcia wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review

Re: [dccp] Conclusion of WGLC for: draft-ietf-dccp-ccid4-03.txt

2009-05-09 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
the following two comments. Please could the authors now issue a revised ID to address these issues? Thanks, I made the changes suggested by Arjuna. Best wishes, Gorry Fairhurst DCCP Chair --- Comments from WG Chair: 1) During the WG in San Francisco, the WG talked about whether the dependency

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