checking out CDs of this date at the Matrix courtesy of Bill Gadsden. Turns
out to feature Jerry playing banjo on at least one tune (Henry). Nice vibe
to the show, relaxed, no show biz. Only known instance of live Garcia banjo
between 64 73, I do believe.
what!?! no coupons!?!?!?!?!
THere are no SBDs in the vault from out-of-town after feb. 70 till dec. 70.
that leaves out both 5/13 17 / 70. Ther is a very poor quality AUD of
5/3/70 that none the less makes very interesting listening, -- quite a good
show. For more on this see my DeadLists entry. I've never heard of any
also there's a martian blues in there somewhere. MTJ = Main Ten Jam
As of this afternoon I have in hand seeds for a vine of Denver Coliseum
11/21/73, MSR C D CD patched with MAC C D CD, the whole show
complete on 4 CDs. I want to vine it with Denver Coliseum 11/20/73, MSR D
CD, 7 CDs in all, I need somebody to volunteer to administer. E-mail
please.
Well, the cliffhanger continues to cliffhang over at Denver 11/21/73. It
appears that we've turned up, at the literal last minute, a 2nd SBD master
of this show, that should allow us to do some, at least, of the patches with
SBD rather than AUD, so we're going to re-master yet again. Hopefully
I would guess Winterland in SF was the most played venue, but that's only a
guess.
the old airplane house jams are form 10/21/68. the new airplane house jam
circulating is from 10/28/69.
I'm sorry. I probably wasn't clear enough. The comment I referred to in
the previous post is this:
Oct 21 1968 - Airplane House
Jam These tapes appear to be a mix of 2 Hot Tuna Matrix shows from 1969 and
Mickey and the Hartbeats from the Matrix, late 1968.
This comment is not correct. There
The 2400 Fulton Street 10/28/69 tape contents is as follows:
1. Been all around this world
2. Big Boss Man
3. jam w/ Jorma Jack
4. Jam with Jorma Jack
5. jam, noodling tuning
6. jam w/ Jorma
7. jam w/ Jerry Jorma.
My copy of this CD has an unidentified Dark Star that I haven't check
I think I have the best copy of 11/28/73, at least as far as I've heard --
it was cleaner more complete than Ihors, if I remember correctly. I
should really try to dig up my notes on this. Ihor? What can you add to
this discussion?
by the way, Palace Of Fine Arts, SF 11/28/73 shouldn't really be referred to
as Seastones. I think it was billed as Garcia Hart, and Phil mixes and
may have added electronics. But I don't believe Lagin participates, though
I could be wrong -- hard to tell who emits what electronic squonk much
cool. my copy came from Doug Wolfish years ago, before he started going by
the other name, so that will certainly be an improvement.
that's certainly my understanding -- 11/28/73.
OK, I _finally_ have in hand the seed for a vine of Fresno 7/19/74. Can
someone volunteer to set it up administer it? (Apologies for the delays.)
This is SBD of the complete show, including quite a striking and novel 11
minute soundcheck jam. The tape flip in Row Jimmy has been patched with
I don't see any reason to doubt that the sequence in David's notation is
correct for 8/22/68, that is:
Alligator [3:32] Drums [5:53] Jam [9:27] Drums
[0:17] Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) [7:10] Feedback [2:32] And
We Bid You Good Night [0:56]
This tape has been in circulation since
Dave, maybe it would be a good idea to work
We've been around this track several times. Bear is wrong. The tapes prove
it. Everybody knows it but Bear. Bear is the greatest Alchemist on earth
but his memory is mistaken about these shows.
You don't need to do that Kenny. This has been established
re-established. All power to the Bear's alchemy. As for his memory, well
...
Ophelia yes, Olivia no.
Jerry played two 'shows' solo acoustic in Passaic on 4/10/82, his only known
solo performances after 1964 at least. I believe that this was a regularly
scheduled gig for Garcia Kahn Acoustic that Kahn wasn't able to play
Jerry went ahead played the show solo.
that's the 6/7/69 Fillmore West sett with Janis, or rather, the 2nd cassette
side of it. Is there a fantastic Good Lovin Uncle John's Band on the
other side? That's 12/31/70. That tape has been in circulation for more
than 20 years, as you say.
Virginia ?
Latvala found the tapes in circulatoin as the Early Shows for Fillmore East
2/13/70 and 2/14/70 in the vault, labeled as such. He told me so himself.
There were two shows played at the Fillmore East 5/15/70, 2 sets EACH from
the Acoustic Dead, NRPS and the Electric Dead. We have tape of the
good luck.
the upgrade of 12/11/69 seems to be the AUD.
there's a word for the people putting scraps of 12/4/73 and 12/10/73 into
circulation.
The seed for this optimal patched versionn of the SBD is ready to plant.
Will someone volunteer to administer?
These were 'midnight shows,' booked Thurs July 9 - Sun July 12, but each
show actually starting the date after the date on the ticket. This may have
caused confusion about the dating of Weinberg's tape. But the existance of
TWO MASTERS FOR 7/11/70 proves that the list for that date is
and the 2nd audience master of 7/11/70 proves that Weinberg's tape is
mis-dated. And we know that Weinberg's tapes wound up in various
configurations with various wrong dates besides this.
I wouldn't waste my money.
Thanks for your careful, thoughtful post, Scott. There are a number of
points it doesn't take into consideration, however:
* the other AUD master of 7/11/70 is certainly circulated labeled 7/11/70.
* there are copies of the tape which is currently listed in DeadLists as
7/10/70 in
Michael Goetz's comments distort the issues. The issue isn't competition
except in his head (easy to see why as editor beneficiary of the
Compendium he sees it that way, but no sign of competition in my
comments). The issue is _accuracy_ and it is entirely legitimate to raise
the issue of the
If you produce a work full of errors take offense when people don't regard
it as perfect, you probably ought to be in another business. If you attack
people who refuse to accept it for perfect, or who point out that it's
testimony is untrustworthy -- tought titty.
Thanks for your input Kenny. I'll be real eager to hear more information
when you have it. Meanwhile, a couple reflections.
As I said, the best copy of the old mislabeled Capitol Theater 6/24/70a
tape that I've encountered was labeled 7/10/70 and this, coupled with other
reasons, seems to
the thing I saw Boots do at several Fillmore West shows was, he was back
behind the drum risers and seemed to be venting a explosive gas that rose
upward invisibly in a column and then made a bubble when it hit the ceiling.
After he'd vented some he'd light it and the flame-explosion would climb
the best copy of 7/10/70 I've encountered was labeled 7/10/70, and it was
this tape that established the correct date of the mislabeled 6/24/70a
tape, which we already knew from other consierations wasn't labeled
correctly. I think that date is nailed down.
Is there a fresh digital copy around
waterbury 9/24/72 has a saturday night encore that needs to be noted in the
deadlists entry.
Lloyd played with the Dead at the Human Be-In, 1/14/67, for one.
I'm pretty sure this copy is as stated, MSR R D CD, but if there's a
digital master circulating that's beside the point. This copy didn't come
recetnly into circulation; it came out of an old collection into our hands a
few years ago.
It would still be nice if we can turn up a decent AUD of
maybe that's a different AUD master than the one on my cassettes, which are
definitely A _minus_, as described. Our CDs of the MSR R D are
missing the Seastones entirely.
and then maybe the Airplane played another set. Sometimes they'd alternate
like that. there might be an opening band two -- in the early years Bill
Graham's shows at the Fillmore, The Fillmore West Winterland often
involved several acts -- Buddy Guy Albert King, with the Allmans opening.
The
Yes, St. Paul '81 is tasty. there's a third cassette that goes with that
show, containing a long interview with Jerry by a local college journalist,
also the kind. The interview was before the show you get the feeling that
the good vibes spilled over.
the 2nd jam is more or less on Workingman's Blues -- Jerry sings a few
snatches -- the NRPS tune, by Chuck Berry I think.
and Brown Eyed Handsome Man is the Chuck Berry NRPS cover I'm confusing it
with.
I'll try to remember to ask him the next time I see him.
I'm checking out an AUD of Indianapolis 10/27/73 kindly supplied by Brian
Dyke.
The first thing it proves is that the segment of SBD long in limited
circulation labeled as the end of this show, containing #Mind Left Body jam
Stella Blue, Sugar Mag, UJB, is in fact not 10/27/73 and in actual
Can I get a group opinion on whether it's worthwhile to go ahead tree this
or whether the copy Hanno put into circulation covers it?
I was balked when I tried to access via lynx. Can this be fixed?
That's nothing. I had 42 messages in my e-mail this morning. Among them
were 17 spams and 17 virus or worm alerts. I really think it's time to do
something about this with the list. If limiting posts to subscribers will
do it, let's go for it.
couldn't we figure out a way to like, send e-mail back to spammers that,
like, vaporizes them?
Thanks for the info, Scott. I agree that the music on this tape sounds more
like late 66 than early 67.
that's the one -- great uncle john, great conclusion to a magnificent run
This tape is listed on deadlists as KSAN Studios 08/??/70.
What's your evidence for the Aug. 69 date, Michael? Given the material it's
certainly possible, I agree. On the other hand Pete Sears remembers it
happening in '71 (see the DeadLists entry), which seems late to me. We
need some hard evidence to date this tape is what we need. Do you know when
I am checking out a 2-CD set of the so-called Dick's Gift tape of two
unidentified segments of Jerry Garcia Band that Dick Latvala put into
circulation on the WELL in the mid '90s.
The first disc is labeled Homer's Warehouse, Palo Alto, CA has Tom
Fogerty playing rhythm guitar. It contains
Has someone yet done an optimal, best possible, complete composite of the
Late Show from Fillmore East 2/11/69, patching the SBD with AUD for the Dark
Star and Lovelight?
THE GLORIOUS RETURN OF INDIANAPOLIS '73
Back in the early '80s, before so many tapes came into circulation, the
Playin Halfstep Big River Playin sequence from Indianapolis 10/27/73
was famous among Dead tapers. Since then, many more of the Playin
sandwiches from that period have come into
Mark Kraitchman is OUR HERO
Mark Kraitchman is THE MAN.
I want to welcome Uli Teute to DeadLists. He is one of the great experts on
early Dead tape I'd urge our curators for '68 to take his comments
seriously.
Recently I helped digitize the MAR of Munich 9/14/74 put it into
circulation on CDs. Dealing with this project made me realize that we don't
have any time left if we want to preserve complete optimal copies of the AUD
masters of Fillmore West 8/18/70 and 8/19/70. The Munich '74 reels, on good
In honor of the new presence on this list of noted Dark Star expert Uli
Teute, I'm posting this list of the longest 50 known Dark Stars
Dark Star: The Big Seven
Family Dog 8/28/69: 47:#19 The Eleven jam 9:49 Dark Star 6:43 w/
Howard Wales
Rotterdam Civic Hall 5/11/72: 47:20
Public Hall,
We are very close to having an optimal complete compliation 4-CD set of
London 9/11/74 complete -- just a couple finishing touches, with luck next
week, and we'll be ready to tree it. This includes the first 14+ minutes of
the Seastones missing on all circulating SBD copies.
Meanwhile we're
hi Kenny,
I am asking you about this stuff because you seem to have some knowledge and
acquaintance with audience tapes taping from this period, and because I'm
asking everyone I can think of who might be able to help, because we need to
find these tapes transcribe them before they
thanks Simon.
next time I update the info on line it will reflect what's circulating now,
rather than what was just coming into circulation 2 years ago.
the final masters. Jack Warner was instrumental in providing
the difficult composite for the 2nd disc of 12/11/69. RB, KW, JN and HB
also provided important assistance. Jim Powell instigated the project and
writes these notes.
Thelma Theater, Los Angeles, Wednesday 12/10/69
MSR D CD except
through the end of the show, with this patch
already in place, and nicely done -- our compliments to whoever mastered it.
HB also provided important assistance. This project was instigated and
these notes written by Jim Powell
Disc #1 59:55
First Set, Part 1
Scarlet Begonias
Mexicali Blues
Brown
I typoed Dave Greenberg's last name in that announcement. Mea culpa.
Paul Gibian just passed me a CD copy of the tape of Jerry, Bob members of
NRPS in Scottie's Music Store in St. Louis, fiddling around playing
Dim Lights Thick Smoke jam
Country Roads
instrumental
Long Black Veil
another tune
Green Green Grass Of Home
My old copy of this tape is labeled
I checking out five tunes that came as filler on 1/26/69 #1, labeled as
12/19/69:
Me My Uncle
Cold Rain Snow
Casey Jones
Schoolgirl
Morning Dew
The first four tunes are in sequence with no splices between. The Casey
Jones is not the Casey Jones we have from 12/19/69. The performance is
rob bertrando taped 8/6/71, didn't he? he also did 6/17/75, a great
neglected show. and at least one night of hollywood in 73 I think, and
...
don't know who did the Gaelic Park 8/26/71 AUD. haven't seen it on CDR.
Sure, they could be 'polishing the transitions,' but the whole business
sounds more rudimentary than that and, crucially, if this is Dec. '68,
where's Constanten?
My casssettes of the late March '68 Carousel Ballroom material, which are
close to the source, are labeled as follows:
Carousel Ballroom 3/26/68: approx 30 mins SBD: Sittin On Top Of The World,
Dark Star 7:14, #Schoolgirl, Death Don't
Carousel Ballroom 3/29/68: approx 30 mins SBD: #Dew,
of Temple U, Philadelphia 5/16/70 now making its way into
circulation. Again, I would very much appreciate the opportunity to examine
a copy, preferably on CD.
Thanks.
Jim Powell
, a well-placed big collector with whom I have had no contact in about
a decade. The tape certainly sounds good enough to have been made as
described.
--
Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
, Sbd, A0D0, Cass M-Dat 0, 48k,
Ampex C-90 Master Cass/no dolby-3800 x 0
RECORDING 49
CONTRIBUTORS Jim Powell
BAND Grateful Dead
VENUE Stanley Theater
CITY Pittsburg
STATE PA
DATE 02/07/69b
SET1 [61:40] [1:25] Cryptical Envelopment [1:55] Drums [0:10] The Other One [7:17] Cryptical Envelopment
think of the hundreds of
hours of love, care, attention and plain work that went into putting this
stuff out good and proper, and consider this hacked up corpse that comes
back around 2 years later, well, I just want to say
Thanks a bunch, bozos.
Caveat auditor.
--
Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
patching the 11/17/72 SBD properly is a worthwhile project. The AUD is
definitely of sufficient quality to make it worthwhile. Has it been
digitized?
Is there an authoritative source, preferably on-line, of dates lists for
pre-Dead (Sleepy Hollow Hog Stompers, San Carlos 6/11/62, for example)? We
don't do pre-Dead and neither does TheJerrySite. Does someone else? Maybe
we should if nobody does?
--
Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unless they did some acoustic tunes first, as on 12/26/69, for instance.
--
various
gaps started to get filled in.
--
Jim Powell
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My cassette is labeled SBD DAT cassette sounds like it (i.e. little
analog noise).
The show could not possibly have been recorded direct to DAT in 1972.
No shit, Sherlock?
out
copies of those.
Is there someone hereabouts who can put me in touch with Rango directly?
Thanks
--
Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
it is I want to seed a tree.
Can someone here volunteer to administer?
--
Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
that mix, with Jerry where he should be, in front, and everybody else nicely
audible. Further back the mix at the show had similar problems with the
mix on the SBD tape.
--
From: David Minches [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jim Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Rango Keshavan's
10/29/73: MSR C D CD patched with AUD
10/30/73: MSR D PCM D CD patched with AUD
The copy of 10/29/73 is the one in standard circulation for a couple years
now.
The copy of 10/30/73 is not. This copy has the cut in Eyes and the first
couple seconds of Me My Uncle clipped. It does
To clarify: I can supply CDs from which to upload SHN. I cannot supply SHN.
- -Original Message-
From: Jim Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: 9/30/72
Right after Deal on 9/30/72 an announcer says
You're listening to WMAL FM-stereo in Washington, D.C.
It sounds like an announcer live during
My four favorite Dark Stars from 1970 are
Fillmore West 2/8/70: 26:43 excellent AUD
Fillmore East 2/13/70: 29:46 SBD Dick's Picks
Denver 4/24/70: 24:39 A minus AUD
Fillmore East 9/17/70: 27:10 near excellent AUD
It is typical of 1970 that three of the four only exist on AUD tape
There are now 3 cds of St. Louis 10/17/72 in circulation with lineage
Candellario MSR C (Latvala) D CD.
The reels were stopped started between most tunes. The list on the Cds
differs at several points from the list posted on DeadLists. The list on
the CDs is
First set:
The Promised
Title: Chico 11/1/68
Silver Dollar Fair, Chico 11/1/68
67:10 MSR R D CD
Intro 0:12
Dark Star 12:17
Cryptical Envelopment 1:48
drums 0:14
The Other One 10:55
Cryptical Envelopment 7:06
New Potato Caboose 0:41
[ New Potato Caboose# 1:44 *
#Alligator 2:35 *
drums 5:05 *
Alligator
actually I think 10/25/69 Winterland may be the first Feelin Groovy jam (in
Dark Star)
According to the Comments section of the 9/26/69 DeadLists entry:
Phil teases Feelin Groovy strongly starting around 10:50 into Dark Star.
doesn't this lyric also occur on 11/8/70?
grade AUD
1:42 of The Other One the last 0:29 of Sugar Mag:
unknown AUD source #3, B grade AUD
Playin In The Band, Casey Jone, and NFA GDTRFB NFA:
unknown SBD source
Uploads project coordination: Jim Powell
Patches and final mastering: Dave Greenberg
Special thanks to Jack Warner, Hugh Barroll
There's an interview tape from a Minneapolis radio station 10/19/71 where
Jerry talks about playing pedal steel for NRPS as if it's an ongoing thing,
but that tour turned out to be his last. His last show as NRPS pedal steel
player was probably Columbus 10/31/71. He probably didn't play for
freely. Enjoy.
Hollywood Palladium 9/10/72
MSR C CD patched with MSR C D C D
Patches remaster by Dave Greenberg.
Uploads project coordination by Jim Powell.
Disc #1: First Set, pt 1: 57:35
#-Bertha
Greatest Story
Mississippi Halfstep
Black Throated Wind
Bird Song -x- 11:30
Promised Land
I just heard from someone who thinks he can supply patches for El Paso and
Bird Song, so we'll put this on hold until that's check out. Sorry for the
pre-mature climax there.
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