+++ Mehdi Dogguy [2012-05-16 16:24 +0200]:
On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
There are ITPs filed for it:
- http://bugs.debian.org/582884
- http://bugs.debian.org/576359
Yes. I discovered that when I went to file an ITP :-)
It turns
While this has been an interesting thread, it may be predicated on a
false premise. I examined the latest weekly CD build, and the reason no
desktop tasks at all (even lxde or xfce) appear on their respective CDs
is because debian-cd is simply not including tasksel's new task-*
packages, at all.
Hi,
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
supporting the following single-CD
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
the floppy group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
You mean that they allow you to burn a CD but not write to a
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes:
Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes:
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
the floppy group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
No, that
On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
the floppy group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
$
On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:53:55 -0300
Ben Armstrong sy...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca wrote:
On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
the floppy group. From
Thomas Schmitt scdbac...@gmx.net writes:
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
cat debian.iso /dev/sdX
for X = valuable hard disk.
What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
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Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
I fail to see how burning to a local user's CD is any better, but yes,
if that is a consideration then they need some system to tie the rights
to console access. I believe ConsoleKit and the replacement
systemd-loginctl attempts to solve such problems.
Yes, I
+++ Timo Juhani Lindfors [2012-05-15 21:01 +0300]:
Yes, turns out I failed to read the instructions right, presumably due
to thinking I knew how this worked (i.e. you can't just put an iso
stright onto a USB stick, and you need 'hd-media' for USB sticks).
I'm glad to see that this has got
On Wed, 16 May 2012, Wookey wrote:
this to Debian? I see a couple of places in the UI where it says
'Ubuntu' and it would be good if it got a bit cleverer and put in the
If Ubuntu sponsored the creation of usb-creator, we can package it that
way just fine, as long as the trademark license for
On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
There are ITPs filed for it:
- http://bugs.debian.org/582884
- http://bugs.debian.org/576359
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:00:29PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Steve McIntyre]
The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
or cp
Hi,
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no wrote:
On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
the floppy group.
Ferenc Wagner wf...@niif.hu wrote:
What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
I understand that the instructions about creating a Debian installation
medium shall be usable
[Steve McIntyre]
You're not measuring the time taken to sync to the flash drive
either, so all you're going to be seeing is the speed of writing to
cache.
Huh, I figured the 'sync' call at the end of each test run covered
that.
I've done lots of work with USB flash and MMC/SD cards over the
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're using
a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the download
time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of what a CD
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:04:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're
Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
You also need to have root access to some machine to
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Wookey wrote:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing of the
+++ Steve McIntyre [2012-05-15 13:38 +0100]:
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
2. USB-targeted images
I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the
normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more
useful. We could quite readily produce (say)
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:13:24PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
put on. It's no wonder newbs are
Hi,
Fedora/RH folks recently added more
hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs:
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
This is achieved by applying ISOLINUX program isohybrid from a recent
ISOLINYX version to the already produced ISO images. syslinux-4.05
should probably do.
It is a
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but
skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big
clear message DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS to make it more
obvious. :-)
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential
[Steve McIntyre]
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block
devices), I
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
cat debian.iso /dev/sdX
for X = valuable hard disk.
I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of
the Debian Live Manual.
Maybe one should advise people to first read
Peter Samuelson, le Tue 15 May 2012 12:40:55 -0500, a écrit :
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time
Ben Armstrong sy...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca writes:
accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is
universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a
USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not?
At least in default debian and
[Samuel Thibault]
I think cp is even more straightforward.
Does cp accept that way since a long time?
I'm not sure, but I've been using things like cp boot.img /dev/fd0
for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The
fact that I referred to a floppy drive may give some
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40:55PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Steve McIntyre]
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see cat debian.iso /dev/sdX instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to
[Steve McIntyre]
The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
or cp (10 KB IIRC).
That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of the
On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not have
any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia network access
is generally so slow that even if computers have DVD drives the common
media downloaded and used
On 12-05-14 at 11:22am, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not
have any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia
network access is generally so slow that even if computers have
On Lun 14 May 2012 07:30:30 Jonas Smedegaard escribió:
[snip]
I wish people would collaborate more.
I wish people would care more about efficient use of resources.
Me too :-)
I did not claim that there was great sense behind that usage pattern,
but I do claim that it is reality in some
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
Indeed, I have seen that pattern before, although I think it was because
people are used to get CDs, not DVDs (ie, just a matter of habit).
Another reason is that it's more likely for a throwaway USB key to be in
the 1-2 gb range than the 5 gb range.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:26:13PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
[snip]
Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
What is the use case
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:06:25AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
Also if udeb:s are going to be using xz then it makes even more sense to use
it for everything.
µdebs won't use the xz default, though. (The compression for them will be
handled in debhelper.)
With the compression scheme I posted
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
supporting the
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:36:09 -0400
Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
Neil Williams wrote:
supporting only the smaller/lighter desktop environments is exactly
what comes out of accepting that the first two options just won't be
acceptable. Changing compression is only putting off the inevitable.
There's *no* reason to think that GNOME or KDE are going to get
On May 14, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
I'd support XFCE4 as the default Graphical Desktop Environment and
possibly putting GNOME (and KDE) as alternative options.
What is the point of providing a default which is not what people
usually want?
Just document that a normal desktop
On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
[snip]
Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
What is the use case for this? Cheap DVD readers have been around for
over 10 years now.
Actually, I was going
Hello,
Joey Hess, le Sun 13 May 2012 20:39:20 -0400, a écrit :
Neil Williams wrote:
supporting only the smaller/lighter desktop environments is exactly
what comes out of accepting that the first two options just won't be
acceptable. Changing compression is only putting off the inevitable.
On 12-05-13 at 10:26pm, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
[snip]
Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
What is the use case for this? Cheap DVD
Hey folks,
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
supporting the following single-CD installations:
* Gnome desktop from CD#1
Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
At this point, I'm skeptical that either of the first two are going to
work acceptably with Wheezy. If that's the case, then we should warn
people that they will need to use at least one of:
I agree. I tried installing debian gnome desktop from CD1
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 17:04:16 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
supporting the following
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