Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-09 Thread Andreas Tille
n Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Holger Levsen wrote: Well, I definition can not be right or wrong. s/, I /, a / Neither the world nor definitions are black and white. Definitions might be right or wrong in physics (I doubt it already there...), but certainly in social sciences definitions can also be

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 05:07:36PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: So that part is what we would call CDD from the current definition. For the purpose of finding a new name and definition, please stop refering to the old one. Write something down (you

Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues

2008-04-04 Thread vagrant
On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 06:49:01PM -0600, David Stone wrote: I would like some help with the packages.gz error I keep getting. this sounds similar to a bug that was fixed in debian-cd, perhaps there was a regression: http://bugs.debian.org/423835 live well, vagrant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-04 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: And IMO, either something is a Debian Subdistribution or not. Thats quite binary in my opinion :-) Yes. Either something fits a definition or not. Our task is now to find a reasonable definition for Debian Subdistribution write it down and stick

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-04 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, For those joining in on [EMAIL PROTECTED], this thread started on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'm crossposting this now, as I think it's relevant for Debian Edu development. Phillip and Luk, _you_ can skip the first quote+reply pair after this intro and just read the second :-) (There are three

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Do you honestly claim that Skolelinux is inside Etch confused you about the definition of CDD? I think the precise statement that fits the definition is: The Debian Edu team has developed the main part of the the SkoleLinux distribution which

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:48:53AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, Andreas, Jonas and me just had a nice real life discussion, which made me send this mail the topic was that one cannot change a written down definition. (Or at least I think

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOF at debconf8, anyone? :) In case I'm not there, some comments/questions/statements; Fedora uses the term spins: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ I like the term slices, and this is

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 31 March 2008 22:12, Andreas Tille wrote: Yep, no problem about this. That's why I wrote that we are tolerant to use the list for this. I think there is a difference between being tolerant about stuff which doesnt belong here, and accepting stuff because it belongs here.

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 03:31:08PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Holger Levsen wrote: Maybe it would be wise to introduce a new term, for Debian based distributions, which are not CDDs according to our definition. That would

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I also suggest avoiding custom - Debian itself is customizable, CDDs just automate what must already be possible within the distro. Very reasonable. Perhaps squeeze in subset, slice, fraction or similar - to emphasize relationship. Fully ACK.

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 01 April 2008 18:42, Andreas Tille wrote: I'm happe that we brought this discussion up short before the Extremadura meeting. We might be able to fix something there. Your tests sound very convincing. I liked Jonas tests and suggestions too :-) But I dont think we should try to

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 01 April 2008 15:31, Andreas Tille wrote: 2. What is the meaning you once gave to CDD, where is it documented? Easy: Try the first Google hit Custom Debian Distributions. If in doubt follow the link I gave in one of these mails in this thread I have given. There were several

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 07:25:09PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Tuesday 01 April 2008 15:31, Andreas Tille wrote: 2. What is the meaning you once gave to CDD, where is it documented? Easy: Try the first Google hit Custom Debian

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 10:38:17PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: What's wrong with pointing to an earlier answer in same mailinglist thread? He just said, STFU (in a way more friendly way :), he

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 01 April 2008 21:54, Andreas Tille wrote: I normally regard this as impolite as well, but the answer I intended to give was actually given in this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/2008/03/msg00038.html Thanks. There you explain that this lists purpose is

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-04-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 10:59:28PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: So, this list is not about Custom Debian Distributions as defined in http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian or in your paper - this list is about custom Debian distributions. A small, but

Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues

2008-03-31 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, David Stone wrote: You were so helpful with my last issue I thought I'd give you more information about my project and some other issues I am having. What I am doing is building a simple computer for the Senior Project. Basically, it will be a computer that your Grandmother

custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-03-31 Thread vagrant
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 08:19:10AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: Is there any reason to do this outside Debian or would you consider tp follow the path of Debian-Junior who is supporting the other end of the age scale ;-) _INSIDE_ Debian. Your are asking on a list that is about doing

Re: custom vs. derivative (Re: packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues)

2008-03-31 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while i fully support pushing to include everything entirely within Debian, i think it's important to acknowledge that *sometimes* it may actually be better to develop a proof of concept outside of Debian first. Yep, no problem about this. That's

packages.gz corrupt, missing packages and other issues

2008-03-30 Thread David Stone
Hello all, You were so helpful with my last issue I thought I'd give you more information about my project and some other issues I am having. What I am doing is building a simple computer for the Senior Project. Basically, it will be a computer that your Grandmother could use. I uses the