Re: A few changes

1999-09-20 Thread Chris Rutter
On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Michael Stone wrote: Definately by package. I can think of several circumstances where this is useful: when a bug is closed in unstable but someone using stable wants an explanation for a problem; when a bug is inadvertantly reintroduced; when a maintainer closes a bug

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-20 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 07:51:47AM +0200, Anders Arnholm wrote: You mean having to dive into almost every perl script (not Linux developed) and change #!/usr/local/bin/perl to #!/usr/bin/perl It is unfortunate, but the popular usage (ie, #!/usr/local/bin/perl) is wrong. /usr/bin/perl has

Re: Orphaning Packages

1999-09-20 Thread Stevie Strickland
Am Son, 19. Sep, 1999 schrieb Michael Alan Dorman: Stevie Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: libxml-parser-perl libxml-dom-perl libxml-cgi-perl /* Does this exist anymore on CPAN? I haven't found * it since I originally packaged it. */

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-20 Thread Herbert Xu
Roland Rosenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I don't see all the problems, but why don't we name the packages kernel-{doc,headers,image,source}-2.0 2.0.38-debianrevision kernel-{doc,headers,image,source}-2.2 2.2.12-debianrevision This stops people from having multiple

ITP: ICQnix

1999-09-20 Thread Brian Almeida
ICQnix is a clone of ICQ intended to resemble the Mirabilis client as much as possible. It is placed under the GPL, with the exception that it may be linked to Qt. I will upload in a day or so if no one objects (I searched the archives and wnpp and didn't see anyone had dibs on this, but if I

Source Cds

1999-09-20 Thread Tomasz Wegrzanowski
I suggest compressing source code by bzip2 Many CD resellers add something to 2nd source cd and it will make A LOT of free place for them (100-150 MB!!!) Bzip2 is no problem because it is possibly available on every Debian system and I dont want religious answers here.

Re: Source Cds

1999-09-20 Thread Ben Pfaff
Tomasz Wegrzanowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suggest compressing source code by bzip2 Many CD resellers add something to 2nd source cd and it will make A LOT of free place for them (100-150 MB!!!) Bzip2 is no problem because it is possibly available on every Debian system and I

Re: sash (was Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was ...))

1999-09-20 Thread Raul Miller
Raul Miller wrote: They don't touch the root account. Instead, they clone it as sashroot and set the shell on the cloned account. This is mentioned in the package description. On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 03:39:30PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: I suppose you have considered the security

Re: sash (was Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was ...))

1999-09-20 Thread Tamas TEVESZ
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Raul Miller wrote: There's not a lot I can do about this beyond advising the sysadmin that it's a good idea. what about asking it before doing the actual cloning ? (should be defaulted to no, imho). as i see the postinst for 3.3-6, it does not ask... -- [-]

Re: XEmacs 21

1999-09-20 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
James LewisMoss, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: I have xemacs 21 packages aptable at deb http://va.debian.org/~dres xemacs21/. I would appreciate some people trying them out and seeing what problems you find (please report directly to me rather than bug tracking system). Well,

Re: Bug#45307: [PROPOSAL] virtual package ident-server

1999-09-20 Thread Clint Adams
This is unnecessary unless something actually is going to depend on it. None of these packages overlap in their fs name space. The only thing they have in common is the inetd.conf entry. This is easily managed with update-inetd, just like finger and others. How are multiple identd packages

Expired Bugs

1999-09-20 Thread Darren O. Benham
Well.. as of the past few days.. expired bugs are archived instead of deleted. Now... from the main bug page... you can request these bugs by either the bug number, or by package name. For the time being, there is also a list of packages with entries into the archive.. also linked from the

Re: Bug#45307: [PROPOSAL] virtual package ident-server

1999-09-20 Thread Herbert Xu
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 12:20:11AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: How are multiple identd packages going to know which one belongs in inetd.conf without the use of alternatives? All of them will add inetd entries, but only one will be enabled. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 is out! (

Red Hat XFree86 security update

1999-09-20 Thread Branden Robinson
[Olaf, if you have any comments I'd like to hear them, otherwise please feel free to disregard this mail.] It was pointed out to me that this error might have been deliberate; Red Hat might be able to choke down giving credit to Debian developers for finding bugs, but not fixing them. Hopefully

Re: New gnome-libs stuff up for testing...

1999-09-20 Thread Edward Betts
Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's at http://master.debian.org/~mdorman/gnome-libs-1.0.16/. I'm uploading it now, and my DSL line doesn't give me infinite bandwidth, so you might wait five or ten minutes. 403

Re: A few changes

1999-09-20 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 07:18:54PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Does anything special happen if the a message is signed? Other than it gets processed? Nope... Oh, do you mean that it will work with [EMAIL PROTECTED] If so then I understand what you are saying, if not then I don't.

FPC

1999-09-20 Thread Joseph Carter
I have ITP'd FPC, the Free Pascal (Delphi/BP7 compatible) Compiler.. Unfortunately it's a BIG package and one I haven't had a chance to finish. It doesn't quite buildpackage yet from what I have here because when I left it I was in the middle of a major debian/rules cleanup. BUT, anybody familiar

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-20 Thread Anders Arnholm
Andrew Pimlott wrote: I suggest kindly pointing this out to those who start their scripts with #!/usr/local/bin/perl. Even thou the rest of the world may be wrong it till exist, and one sometimes has to make the best to interact even with an erratic world, that is the main reason why software

Re: New QMail discussion list.

1999-09-20 Thread Edward Betts
Erick Kinnee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 06:51:56PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Jon Marler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have started a new qmail discussion list. The purpose of the list is to discuss using QMail as the primary MTA with Debian. The primary MTA?

Draft 4 of I18N Document

1999-09-20 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, I wrote a new draft of a document on i18n. It is available at http://surfchem0.riken.go.jp/~kubota/linuxwork/i18ndoc.html. Now the document is written in HTML and separated into a few files. Translation into English is almost finished. i noticed that there is no mention of utf-2000 --

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-20 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I don't see all the problems, but why don't we name the packages kernel-{doc,headers,image,source}-2.0 2.0.38-debianrevision kernel-{doc,headers,image,source}-2.2 2.2.12-debianrevision This stops people from having multiple

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-20 Thread Santiago Vila
On 18 Sep 1999, James LewisMoss wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:13:49 +0200 (CET), Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Santiago David Welton wrote: Xemacs21 - runs *autoconf* to generate other makefiles, which are then run. [...] autoconf doesn't generate makefiles. It

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-20 Thread Hirling Endre
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: which would reduce the effort of the ftp maintainer and speed up upgrading our ftp archive from 2.2.12 to 2.2.13. The dependencies between the kernels and the kernel depending modules could be realized using versioned dependencies, couldn't they?

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-20 Thread Philip Hands
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve Greenland wrote: I've read (or at least skimmed) the tutorial you posted, and it looks like the various configuration variables are associated with a package via the template foo/variable. What about variables that are logically shared between

release critical bugs of grace

1999-09-20 Thread Torsten Werner
I have debianized the newest available version of grace which should fix most of the bugs mentioned in the BTS. I have contacted the maintainer Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] but he did not respond. Since I am not an official developer I cannot upload the package. Can someone do it for me? The

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-20 Thread Clint Adams
Roxen does, at least if you have different IP numbers, I can't get IP-less vistual hosting to work with ftp sessions. And as a ISP the security issues of You can't get name-based virtual hosting with FTP. The protocol doesn't transmit a hostname.

Re: New gnome-libs stuff up for testing...

1999-09-20 Thread Christian Marillat
Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's at http://master.debian.org/~mdorman/gnome-libs-1.0.16/. I'm uploading it now, and my DSL line doesn't give me infinite bandwidth, so you might wait five or ten minutes.

Re: New gnome-libs stuff up for testing...

1999-09-20 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Edward Betts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't have permission to access /~mdorman/gnome-libs-1.0.16/ on this server. Damn, that was lame of me. Fixed. Mike.

Re: New QMail discussion list.

1999-09-20 Thread Jon Marler
On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 06:51:56PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: Jon Marler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have started a new qmail discussion list. The purpose of the list is to discuss using QMail as the primary MTA with Debian. The primary MTA? does that mean that more than one MTA can be

Re: Move proftpd to contrib

1999-09-20 Thread David Bristel
I was thinking more that, if we are going to remove a buggy package because of the bugs, we should still provide it, since there are some people that are looking for that package. Maybe a section of main called buggy if it's still included for completeness?

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-20 Thread David Bristel
You are correct. Of course, many people forget about this since they think of Roxen as a web server, and ftp being a secondary feature. Of course, with all the Apache fanatics out there, many have never even checked out Roxen. Dave Bristel

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-20 Thread David Bristel
On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Anders Arnholm wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:18:53 +0200 From: Anders Arnholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Chris Rutter [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: ProFTPd being lame Resent-Date: 19 Sep 1999 10:19:02

ITP: libfont-metrics-perl

1999-09-20 Thread Stephen Zander
Unless someone else is working on this, I intend to package the Font::Metrics::* modules for perl. libhtml-tree-perl needs them to successfully use HTMMML::FormatPS. -- Stephen --- If 8-year-old boys discharging loaded firearms into their own legs isn't necessary to the maintenance of a

Re: ITP: librep, rep-gtk and sawmill

1999-09-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 09:43:03PM +0800, Mikolaj J. Habryn was heard to say: sawmill README: Sawmill is an extensible window manager using an Emacs Lisp-like scripting language--all window decorations are configurable, the basic idea is to have as much user-interface policy as possible

Re: ITP: libfont-metrics-perl

1999-09-20 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Stephen Zander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unless someone else is working on this, I intend to package the Font::Metrics::* modules for perl. libhtml-tree-perl needs them to successfully use HTMMML::FormatPS. Let me know when it gets out of incoming, and i'll gladly change libhtml-tree-perl to

Re: sash (was Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was ...))

1999-09-20 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 10:53:01PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: Raul Miller wrote: They don't touch the root account. Instead, they clone it as sashroot and set the shell on the cloned account. This is mentioned in the package description. On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 03:39:30PM -0700,

Orphaning libapache-mod-fastcgi, emacs-czech

1999-09-20 Thread Milan Zamazal
I orphan the following two packages: libapache-mod-fastcgi (non-free) I just uploaded version updated for Apache 1.3.9 and FHS, so if anyone wants it, it shouldn't be difficult to take it. emacs-czech Emacs 19 is obsolete, there is no need to use it anymore after 20.4 release. If you

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-20 Thread John Lapeyre
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Hirling Endre wrote: endreOn Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Roland Rosenfeld wrote: endre endre which would reduce the effort of the ftp maintainer and speed up endre upgrading our ftp archive from 2.2.12 to 2.2.13. The dependencies endre between the kernels and the kernel depending

Re: Orphaning Packages

1999-09-20 Thread Ardo van Rangelrooij
Michael, If you want we can divide them between us (also to share the load :-). Thanks, Ardo Stevie Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Son, 19. Sep, 1999 schrieb Michael Alan Dorman: Stevie Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: libxml-parser-perl libxml-dom-perl libxml-cgi-perl

Re: extipl, mbr--why? (was: GRUB)

1999-09-20 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 02:07:33AM +0900, Taketoshi Sano wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Hands) writes: Andrew Pimlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (snip) May I ask what the point of these enhanced mbr's is, since all of these features are available from the

Re: sash (was Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was ...))

1999-09-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 01:37:43PM -0400, Andrew Pimlott wrote: Will this affect people who upgrade? It would be very unpleasant to upgrade from slink and have a new root user. Hmmm... Even for new installs, I disagree with your decision. sash is useful without another root account; however

Re: ProFTPd being lame

1999-09-20 Thread Hirling Endre
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, David Bristel wrote: Off topic The only feature it lacks is the ability to do automated account setup from another script. (Which is the ONLY thing that apache does better than Roxen). Maybe I'll tinker a bit and make a module for auto-creation of new web accounts

Re: Too many kernels in unstable

1999-09-20 Thread Hirling Endre
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, John Lapeyre wrote: Some people have suggested providing a package, say 2.2, with all the 2.2.x source patches. (I didn't look at the size, but the patches are sometimes small and sometimes 1.5 MB). It is not too inconvenient to apply the patches to get to a

Re: history (Was Re: Corel/Debian Linux Installer)

1999-09-20 Thread Zygo Blaxell
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:30:37 -0500, David Starner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 11:38:29AM +0100, Chris Rutter wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, David Bristel wrote: Yes, either this or a FIFO expiration policy on /var/cache/apt/packages which gets automatically applied when space

Re: New gnome-libs stuff up for testing...

1999-09-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 06:42:48PM -0400, Michael Alan Dorman écrivait: I believe I have a gotten a good build of an updated gnome-libs. And I only cursed Joey for the problems with dh_shlibdeps a little bit. It is currently a little lacking in the changelog department---that kind of got

ITP: phpmyadmin

1999-09-20 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
Source: phpmyadmin Section: contrib/web Priority: extra Upstream-Source: URL:http://www.phpwizard.net/phpMyAdmin/ Home-Page: URL:http://www.phpwizard.net/phpMyAdmin/ Description: a set of PHP3-scripts to adminstrate MySQL over the WWW Copyright: GPL Copyright (C) 1998-1999 Tobias Ratschiller

Re: ITP: phpmyadmin

1999-09-20 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Depends: php3 (= 3.0.12) | php3-cgi (= 3.0.12), httpd, mysql-server, php3-mysql Is it really not able to work with anything but localhost? And if that's not the case, why require

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
Philip Hands wrote: Presumably variable names can have more than one / in them ? Yes. If so, it might be worth calling such variables something like: shared/news/server to avoid name space pollution, and to emphasise the fact that there is not a package called ``news'' (virtual or

License nightmare Contingency Plan (sort of longish)

1999-09-20 Thread Andrew G . Feinberg
Disclaimer: In light of recent events some might be tempted to do some of this. Don't. This is only an idea for what might be done in the future. In the past when a licensing issue has come up, someone like Bruce or ESR has stepped in as the ambassador to the offender. However, it seems that we

Re: Bug#40360: mutt_0.95.6-2(unstable): Compilation problem (no keymap_defs.h)

1999-09-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 20, Roman Hodek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you see, aclocal, automake, ... are all rerun, i.e. a new Makefile.in is generated. (Probably a change in the Debian patch to Yes, this is the problem, another developer found it. But I have no idea about how to solve it. I Cc: -devel, maybe

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
Scott Barker wrote: 2) I think I presented this suggestion backwards. According to debconf's docs, a user will be prompted for the answer to a question only if they haven't already answered that question, and only new questions will be presented. I'm suggesting there be a way for a

Re: ITP: phpmyadmin

1999-09-20 Thread Piotr Roszatycki
On 20 Sep 1999, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Depends: php3 (= 3.0.12) | php3-cgi (= 3.0.12), httpd, mysql-server, php3-mysql Is it really not able to work with anything but

Re: License nightmare Contingency Plan (sort of longish)

1999-09-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 03:15:47PM -0500, Andrew G . Feinberg wrote: B) Offender does not relent and/or makes funny faces at us Of course we are horrified by the funny faces, but how do we defend our licensing? Perhaps we need a lawyer for this part. I suggest that we tell them that

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-20 Thread Scott Barker
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 01:23:50PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: It's now possible in two ways. First, there is the dpkg-reconfigure program, which you pass a package name, and it lets you see all the questions again. Excellent. Hopefully if debconf gets folded into the base system, dpkg itself will

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
Scott Barker wrote: Excellent. Hopefully if debconf gets folded into the base system, dpkg itself will be able to run this directly, rather than it be an extra step for the user. For example, instead of running (manually, or through apt): dpkg -i package dpkg-reconfigure you could just

ITP: utalk

1999-09-20 Thread Radovan Garabik
from the description: utalk uses a protocol, based on UDP, which ensures a quick response even over links with high packet loss, allows editing of previously typed text, including scrollback, deletion and overstrike, and

Re: ITP: phpmyadmin

1999-09-20 Thread Gergely Madarasz
Piotr Roszatycki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Depends: php3 (= 3.0.12) | php3-cgi (= 3.0.12), httpd, mysql-server, php3-mysql Just noticed this... you'll need (php3-mysql php3) | (php3-cgi-mysql php3-cgi), which can be reduced to php3-mysql | php3-cgi-mysql (they'll pull the apropriate main

Re: sash (was Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was ...))

1999-09-20 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote: Also, if you can anticipate any failure modes where sash would damage the password file I'd appreciate hearing about them. It's already the case that if sash has any problem writing out the new password file that it won't install it. I think you should just use useradd to

To grok grep output....

1999-09-20 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
Hi all - I just need to completely understand grep output before I can finish a project I'm working on right now. I was wondering if someone could give me an explination of unified diff output syntax. I know that it's context based, and that a + signals an addition while - means the reverse.

Re: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian

1999-09-20 Thread Scott Barker
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 02:12:06PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Not really. I named it dpkg-reconfigure for a reason. :-) Excellent! :) Oh, that's not the problem. Dpkg-repack should pick up that file fine. What it won't pick up is the actual answers you've given to the questions, which are

Re: sash (was Re: demo vs. real package: FYI (was ...))

1999-09-20 Thread Greg Johnson
On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 02:20:12PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: Also, if you can anticipate any failure modes where sash would damage the password file I'd appreciate hearing about them. It's already the case that if sash has any problem writing out the new password file that it won't install

Re: To grok grep output....

1999-09-20 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Aaron Van Couwenberghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: diff -u --recursive --new-file v2.2.11/linux/CREDITS linux/CREDITS --- v2.2.11/linux/CREDITS Mon Aug 9 16:05:54 1999 +++ linux/CREDITS Wed Aug 25 17:29:45 1999 @@ -689,14 +689,11 @@ The fourth line is made of two pairs,