Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:18:33AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On a separate but related topic, I think a much better approach would be to handle configuration as a step entirely separate from the install phase. Let the install be entirely quiet, and let packages have intelligent defaults.

trouble debugging a bug on m68k

2003-07-05 Thread Graham Wilson
im wondering if anyone can help me with bug #196563. the bug says that xmllint is segfaulting on m68k. the reporter can reproduce the segfault. i asked him for a backtrace, but gdb segfaulted. he was able to provide strace output however. it seems that the bug manifests before the program's

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:21:05 +0200, Thomas Wana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 16:51 schrieb Marc Haber: Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that he is writing a package pending

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:32:29 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus testfile is not available as aptable Debian package. Why is this annoying? Because it makes

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 11:06:36PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:18:33AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On a separate but related topic, I think a much better approach would be to handle configuration as a step entirely separate from the install phase. Let the

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:57:19 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 03 Jul 2003, Marc Haber wrote: Since eicar.com has no license and eicar doesn't seem to be interested in clarifying its license, inclusion of the eicar test string in Debian proper is out of the

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:05:02 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that he is writing a package

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 03:01:14 +0200, Yven Johannes Leist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find that to be a very unfair accusation, since at least to my eyes there was nothing especially unfriendly, unreasonable or otherwise criticizable in James rejection notice. How would you react if somebody called

Re: Debian menu encoding support

2003-07-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Morten Brix Pedersen [Sat, Jul 05 2003, 01:49:38AM]: Now, you force every maintainer to update the menu entries for localisation, when will be the next time to change them again? Why cannot you just recognize that the Free Desktop format is superior and invest your

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Marc Haber wrote: Well that's the purpose of ITP-bugs against wnpp I think, because they are CC'd to debian-devel for public review. Please show me a single ITP bug number where ftpmaster has said this package will not go into the archive, I will reject it on upload. There's numerous ITPs where

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 16:05:39 +0100, James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given the current state of affairs, I am pretty sure that such a package will be rejected by ftpmaster. They pretty sure reject almost everything I upload. Since you didn't bother with

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Ben Burton
How would you react if somebody called work you did and that took a few hours silly? In the sweetest way possible, if all you lost was a few hours then I don't see why you're (apparently) so very upset. Many times I have seen contributions worth days or weeks of work dismissed from software

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Marc Haber wrote: Because it makes debugging anti-virus software harder, and forces maintainers of anti-virus packages to have their own means of obtaining eicar.com for testing purposes Debugging anti-virus software should be done by the maintainers thereof. Why would a user need this?

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: It is my opinion that it would be a good idea to have that installer package in Debian. Heck, if I wouldn't have that opinion, I wouldn't have spent some of my time to build that package. Additionally, I would like to seriously

Processed: reassign 199197 to libgnome2-common

2003-07-05 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 199197 libgnome2-common Bug#199197: bsdgames debian X menu entries depend on gnome-terminal, not in testing (Sarge) Bug reassigned from package `general' to `libgnome2-common'. End of message, stopping processing here. Please contact me if

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 09:35]: Marc Haber wrote: Well that's the purpose of ITP-bugs against wnpp I think, because they are CC'd to debian-devel for public review. Please show me a single ITP bug number where ftpmaster has said this package will not go into the

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:30:47PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:36:13PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: Bullshit. It is common for RFCs to be revised over time, and formulated into new documents. This license prohibits agencies other than the IETF from revising an

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that he is writing a package pending rejection

Re: Package Moscow ML and HOL

2003-07-05 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 05:36:30PM +0800, ZHAO Wei wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 14:47, Ralf Treinen wrote: I remember vaguely that there used to be a licence problem with Moscow ML. What is its exact licence now? Under the mosml/copyright directory, there are three license files: 1.

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 09:26:17AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: How would you react if somebody called work you did and that took a few hours silly? And Mr. Troup's appreciation of my work is appropriately named in the directory name the package sits in at the moment. [EMAIL

Bug#200142: ITP: tkgamma -- A simple color calibration utility for XFree86-4

2003-07-05 Thread Neil McGovern
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: tkgamma Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Pixel Fairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pixel.fairyden.net/tkgamma/ * License : GPL Description : A simple color

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:14:10 +0200, Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Haber wrote: Because it makes debugging anti-virus software harder, and forces maintainers of anti-virus packages to have their own means of obtaining eicar.com for testing purposes Debugging anti-virus software

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:48:24 +0200, Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a copy somewhere else? Yes. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe,

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:43:35 +0100, Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's pointless, I think. If I were an ftpmaster I would not be willing to render an opinion on a package before I actually saw the package, especially if I were going to be held to that opinion later (and, if I wasn't,

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 12:05]: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Stephen Stafford] We have a commitment that everything in Debian main is Free. Since the RFC license is NOT Free, it can't be in main. This does NOT imply anything about the usefulness of RFCs, merely about their Freedom. There seem to be two ways of interpreting the social contract. One

Close old RFP/ITPs?

2003-07-05 Thread Andreas Barth
Hi, is it usefull/ok to close old RFP/ITP-entrys? old means for me more than year since the last mail for ITP, and 2 years for RFP. Of course I would write mail first whether the package is still wanted or if the packaging is still in order, and only close if no answer for a month. Comments?

Re: Close old RFP/ITPs?

2003-07-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 14:05:55 +0200, Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it usefull/ok to close old RFP/ITP-entrys? old means for me more than year since the last mail for ITP, and 2 years for RFP. Of course I would write mail first whether the package is still wanted or if the packaging is

Re: Close old RFP/ITPs?

2003-07-05 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003, Andreas Barth wrote: is it usefull/ok to close old RFP/ITP-entrys? old means for me more than year since the last mail for ITP, and 2 years for RFP. Of course I would write mail first whether the package is still wanted I do not think old RFPs should be closed, at

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-05 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:05:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The point of decoupling installation and configuration is to let the admin choose which of these scenarios happen, instead of the distribution or the maintainer. The first is appropriate if you're doing installs of many systems

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Stephen Stafford
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:10:12PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Stephen Stafford] We have a commitment that everything in Debian main is Free. Since the RFC license is NOT Free, it can't be in main. This does NOT imply anything about the usefulness of RFCs, merely about their

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:17:50PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: The discussion is only about global reasons, as wrong license, we don't need this package or simmilar. This reasons could be discussed before making the package quite as easy as afterwards. OK, so basically you think ftpmaster

Re: Close old RFP/ITPs?

2003-07-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Sam Hocevar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 14:50]: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003, Andreas Barth wrote: is it usefull/ok to close old RFP/ITP-entrys? old means for me more than year since the last mail for ITP, and 2 years for RFP. Of course I would write mail first whether the package is still

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:10:12PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Stephen Stafford] We have a commitment that everything in Debian main is Free. Since the RFC license is NOT Free, it can't be in main. This does NOT imply anything about the usefulness of RFCs, merely about their

failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread martin f krafft
Folks, I am near explosion. I am trying to sponsor the kmymoney2 package found at ftp://shakti.ath.cx/debian/kde3.1-sid/kmymoney2 , but I cannot build it. I am not a KDE user, so that may be the root of the problem. Here is the error I see all the time: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any remotely timely fashion, at least not with this many ftpmasters and this many

Re: failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread Ben Burton
checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (= Qt 3.0.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Try ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 and see if that helps. If it does then upstream is using a very old admin/ directory which should probably be updated. If the compilation then breaks because

Re: failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.05.1556 +0200]: ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 i had --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib in there, but I still get the same error if I replace that with what you wrote above... i can also write

Re: failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread Ben Burton
problem status: still unsolved. Hmm.. is it possible to post the section of config.log where the error occurs? b.

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Artur R. Czechowski wrote: OTOH, maybe dh_undocumented should be removed from debhelper with prior notice? This program does nothing and should no longer be used. As a rule I try to avoid causing less than 469 FTBFS bugs with any given change I make to

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 09:01:25AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:32:29 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus testfile is not available as

[solved] failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.05.1629 +0200]: Hmm.. is it possible to post the section of config.log where the error occurs? I had read this file upside down, inside out, from left to right and right to left. I found nothing. This time I immediately spotted the problem:

Re: [solved] failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003, martin f krafft wrote: ./configure: line 1: g++: command not found configure:21244: $? = 127 This is, IMHO, a problem with autoconf, as it should really check for g++ first. Uh, this is not a problem with autoconf. It is a problem with upstream calling

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Joey Hess
Goswin Brederlow wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Artur R. Czechowski wrote: OTOH, maybe dh_undocumented should be removed from debhelper with prior notice? This program does nothing and should no longer be used. As a rule I try to avoid causing less than 469 FTBFS bugs

Bug#200153: ITP: e2tools -- utilities for manipulating files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem

2003-07-05 Thread Robert Millan
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: e2tools Version : 0.0.13 Upstream Author : Keith Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://home.earthlink.net/~k_sheff/sw/e2tools/index.html * License : GPL

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Andreas Barth
* Mark Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 16:05]: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any remotely timely fashion, at

Re: [solved] failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.07.05.1718 +0200]: Uh, this is not a problem with autoconf. It is a problem with upstream calling AC_CHECK_COMPILERS (which checks for all compilers) and ignoring the results thereof. ok. i'll have it sent upstream. -- Please do not CC me

Re: [solved] failing to compile a KDE package

2003-07-05 Thread Ben Burton
Uh, this is not a problem with autoconf. It is a problem with upstream calling AC_CHECK_COMPILERS (which checks for all compilers) and ignoring the results thereof. ok. i'll have it sent upstream. FYI, all upstream probably needs to do is update their admin/ directory with a fresh

Juridical prosecution

2003-07-05 Thread Martin Sobek
You place your page on address www.sobek-sobek.com unlawfully! Remove it immediately or you risk juridical prosecution. Sobek-Sobek.com q analytic service q [EMAIL PROTECTED] q +420605921227 q Bryksova 27, 19800 Prague 9, CZ attachment: winmail.dat

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:02:13PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:14:10 +0200, Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Haber wrote: Because it makes debugging anti-virus software harder, and forces maintainers of anti-virus packages to have their own means of

Re: Juridical prosecution

2003-07-05 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le sam 05/07/2003 à 17:57, Martin Sobek a écrit : You place your page on address www.sobek-sobek.com unlawfully! Remove it immediately or you risk juridical prosecution. Sobek-Sobek.com q analytic service q [EMAIL PROTECTED] q +420605921227 q Bryksova 27, 19800 Prague 9, CZ Can you read

Re: Juridical prosecution

2003-07-05 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Dear Sir, * Martin Sobek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030705 17:57]: You place your page on address www.sobek-sobek.com unlawfully! No we did not. Remove it immediately or you risk juridical prosecution. Please take a closer look at this page, or at least read the first paragraph: This is a

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:22:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Nobody said that ftpmaster must see all problems from ITP. But - every problem that is seen at ITP time saves volunteer time for more usefull things. That actually appeared to be exactly what Marc was asking for when he started

Woody KDE 3 packages

2003-07-05 Thread Shaun Jackman
I'm using the following APT line deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main When I update, the Release file is ignored by apt-get. Why is this? Also, I can't seem to upgrade or install the new packages. What have I done wrong here? Thanks, Shaun # apt-get update Hit

Re: Woody KDE 3 packages

2003-07-05 Thread Tobias Wolter
On 2003-07-05T11:36:31-0600 (Saturday), Shaun Jackman wrote: Also, I can't seem to upgrade or install the new packages. What have I done wrong here? Blind shot: $ apt-cache policy $ man apt_preferences And doesn't this question belong to users? -towo -- `But When I Am Off Duty I Will

gcc on a biarch system

2003-07-05 Thread Bart Trojanowski
On amd64, we currently have a biarch-gcc that builds 32bit binaries by default, and 64bit ones with a -m64 option. Coding debian/rules for this is pretty trivial but still requires some ugly architecture specific hacks in each debian/rules. These hacks can be troublesome if the default compile

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 10:14:10AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Debugging anti-virus software should be done by the maintainers thereof. Why would a user need this? i used it many times, for example to find out which archives are checked and which not. In fact I even already wrote bugs for AV

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any remotely timely fashion, at least not with this many ftpmasters and this many

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 04:43:56PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Could the dh_undocumented programm allways fail with an error Don't use me as the next step? That way all new uploads will be forced to care. this will still create fail to build bugs for no good reason. Greetings Bernd --

Re: gcc on a biarch system

2003-07-05 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:44:31PM -0400, Bart Trojanowski wrote: I propose obtaining the gcc specific options from a dpkg-libinfo (introduced by Gerhard Tonn's lib64 patches) or dpkg-architecture. debian/rules can query for said options, and use them in order to build for a given host

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Yven Johannes Leist
On Saturday 05 July 2003 09:26, Marc Haber wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 03:01:14 +0200, Yven Johannes Leist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find that to be a very unfair accusation, since at least to my eyes there was nothing especially unfriendly, unreasonable or otherwise criticizable in James

Bug#200163: ITP: png2ico -- command-line PNG to ICO converter

2003-07-05 Thread martin f krafft
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: png2ico Version : 20021208 Upstream Author : Matthias Benkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.winterdrache.de/freeware/png2ico/ * License : GPL Description :

Re: gcc on a biarch system

2003-07-05 Thread Ben Collins
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:44:31PM -0400, Bart Trojanowski wrote: On amd64, we currently have a biarch-gcc that builds 32bit binaries by default, and 64bit ones with a -m64 option. Coding debian/rules for this is pretty trivial but still requires some ugly architecture specific hacks in each

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 04:43:56PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Could the dh_undocumented programm allways fail with an error Don't use me as the next step? That way all new uploads will be forced to care. this will still create fail to build

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:46:00AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:05:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The point of decoupling installation and configuration is to let the admin choose which of these scenarios happen, instead of the distribution or the maintainer. The

Resolvconf -- a package to manage /etc/resolv.conf

2003-07-05 Thread Thomas Hood
Summary ~~~ Resolvconf is a proposed standard framework for updating the system's information about currently available nameservers. Most importantly, it manages /etc/resolv.conf , but it does a bit more than that. Background and rationale During the long discussion

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:26:43PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any remotely timely fashion, at least not with this many ftpmasters and this

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:51:27PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 04:43:56PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Could the dh_undocumented programm allways fail with an error Don't use me as the next step? That way all new

Re: Resolvconf -- a package to manage /etc/resolv.conf

2003-07-05 Thread Simon Hürlimann
Am Samstag, 5. Juli 2003 21.51 schrieb Thomas Hood: Summary ~~~ Resolvconf is a proposed standard framework for updating the system's information about currently available nameservers. Cool, I really like this idea. the need to supply resolver information to DNS cache programs such as

Re: Why doesn't libsidplay enter testing?

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 10:05:59AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-07-04 00:03]: Please stop saying rude things like Please check foo to the people who are trying to explain the state of play to you, because they are right: it has been like this for a

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:13:09PM -0500, Joshua Haberman wrote: And I am arguing that there is no reason not to endorse RFCs just as we endorse license texts. That last sentence is a personal judgement that I would guess many Debian developers would find agreement with. I wouldn't. The best

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 03:54:20PM -0500, Joshua Haberman wrote: * Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:42:01PM -0500, Joshua Haberman wrote: I think non-free removal will seem more radical if it means that Debian will no longer distribute RFCs on the

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Goswin Brederlow wrote: Could the dh_undocumented programm allways fail with an error Don't use me as the next step? That way all new uploads will be forced to care. No. Breaking 400+ packages so our uses cannot build them from

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 04:35:09PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: So, I assume that with that you mean that we have sacrificed one of our core values as well? My. All this sacrifice is making me hungry. :P Damn. That means some OTHER deity has been intercepting the products of ritual slaughter on

reliable mirroring of local web tree?

2003-07-05 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Howdy, The boost libraries have excellent documentation in HTML format. Unfortunately, there is no make install equivalent to copy the files into a nice place. Nor is it as simple as cp -a docs ... as the files are intermixed with the source code. But there is a top-level index.htm file, so I

Re: gcc on a biarch system

2003-07-05 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Saturday 05 July 2003 19:44, Bart Trojanowski wrote: On amd64, we currently have a biarch-gcc that builds 32bit binaries by default, and 64bit ones with a -m64 option. Coding debian/rules for this is pretty trivial but still requires some ugly architecture specific hacks in each

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:03:11PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debian really needs a separate policy for works which are not software. We could have a policy for non-software, but it should still exclude non-free things. What you are trying

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Andreas Barth wrote: * Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 09:35]: Marc Haber wrote: Well that's the purpose of ITP-bugs against wnpp I think, because they are CC'd to debian-devel for public review. Please show me a single ITP bug number where ftpmaster has said this package will not

Re: Bug#200153: ITP: e2tools -- utilities for manipulating files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem

2003-07-05 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:24:21PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-07-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: e2tools Version : 0.0.13 Upstream Author : Keith Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 03:53:55AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:34:56PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: | The Debian Social Contract says Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software. | If there are things in Debian that are not free or not software, | then we may be

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:53:56AM -0400, David B Harris wrote: Except for the title, the DFSG is very content-agnostic. It can be applied equally well to software, fiction, nonfiction, images, what have you. I think that's a feature. Apparently, some people think it's a bug. -- G. Branden

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Joey Hess
Artur R. Czechowski wrote: What's about dh_undocumented looking like: -- #!/bin/bash if [ $FORCE_UNDOCUMENTED = 1 ]; then echo You are still using dh_undocumented which is obsoleted. echo Stop it. else echo You are using obsoleted dh_undocumented in your debian/rules.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 05:16:07PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: Fortunately, the situation you describe is unlikely to occur because few people are perverse enough to make their software free but their documentation very non-free. /me falls into a fit of coughing *COUGH*h *COUGH*t *COUGH*t

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 10:14:10AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Debugging anti-virus software should be done by the maintainers thereof. Why would a user need this? i used it many times, for example to find out which archives are checked and which not. In fact I even

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 04:21:45PM +0200, Julien LEMOINE wrote: I will upload a stunnel4 package and a stunnel with Epoch tomorrow. Excellent decision. :) Thank you. -- G. Branden Robinson| The key to being a Southern Debian GNU/Linux | Baptist:

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Andreas Barth wrote: Marc is doing it the other way: He want an interface to reject a package before substantial work has been spent on it. So there shouldn't be this conflict any more, which would be a good thing. Isn't this why ITPs are usually CCed to debian-devel? Look what has been done

Debconf and XFree86 X servers

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
[Please direct any XFree86-specific followup to debian-x.] On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:46:00AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Yet another reasons for wanting to decouple installation and configuration is if some hardware company (such as VA^H^H Emperor Linux) wishes to ship Debian pre-installed on

Re: Bug#200153: ITP: e2tools -- utilities for manipulating files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem

2003-07-05 Thread Falk Hueffner
Ralf Treinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: E2tools is a simple set of GPL'ed utilities to read, write, and manipulate files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem. please excuse my ignorance - what would be the advantage of these tools over the core file utilities which use the VFS layer? You don't need

Re: eicar.com installer in Debian, and pre-upload interface to ftpmaster

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:22:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Mark Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 16:05]: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for such global rejection reasons,

A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-05 Thread Koblinger Egmont
Hi, From time to time the question arises on different forums whether it is possible to efficiently use rsync with apt-get. Recently there has been a thread here on debian-devel and it was also mentioned in Debian Weekly News June 24th, 2003. However, I only saw different small parts of a huge

Re: NEWS.Debian support is here

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 01:01:14AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Thanks to Matt Zimmerman and Joe Drew, apt-listchanges will now display NEWS.Debian entries for upgraded packages. They're displayed before the regular changelog entries, and Matt plans to later let it be configured to only display

Re: The nature of testing and where can others help (Was Re: HowTo for Gnome2??)

2003-07-05 Thread Bruce Sass
Hi, I accidentally deleted all the messages in my debian-user folder sigh. However, I do remember enough of your original post to (hopefully) enlighten you. I have also done the nasty cross-post thing to -devel because I conclude with a thought on how to get the package pool living up to its

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Florian Weimer
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are borderline cases, such as the GFDL or free works in non-editable formats (PS, PDF, in some cases even HTML), or licenses or other documents of perceived legal relevance. I have argued on debian-legal that licenses as applied to specific

Re: Bug#200153: ITP: e2tools -- utilities for manipulating files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem

2003-07-05 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:57:35PM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: E2tools is a simple set of GPL'ed utilities to read, write, and manipulate files in an ext2/ext3 filesystem. please excuse my ignorance - what would be the advantage of these tools over the core file utilities which use

Re: Resolvconf -- a package to manage /etc/resolv.conf

2003-07-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Summary ~~~ Resolvconf is a proposed standard framework for updating the system's information about currently available nameservers. Most importantly, it manages /etc/resolv.conf , but it does a bit more than that. You should think of a

Re: 469 packages still using dh_undocumented, check if one is yours

2003-07-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Artur R. Czechowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:26:44AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Goswin Brederlow wrote: Could the dh_undocumented programm allways fail with an error Don't use me as the next step? That way all new uploads will be forced to care. No. Breaking

Re: Debconf and XFree86 X servers

2003-07-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Please direct any XFree86-specific followup to debian-x.] On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:46:00AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Yet another reasons for wanting to decouple installation and configuration is if some hardware company (such as VA^H^H

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 12:33:52AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are borderline cases, such as the GFDL or free works in non-editable formats (PS, PDF, in some cases even HTML), or licenses or other documents of perceived legal relevance.

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 17:22, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 04:35:09PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: So, I assume that with that you mean that we have sacrificed one of our core values as well? My. All this sacrifice is making me hungry. :P Damn. That means some OTHER deity

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