On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:35:03 +, Holger Levsen
<hol...@layer-acht.org> wrote:
>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 09:43:46AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> How high are the requirements (CPU-, Memory) wise? I guess that one of
>> those 5 Euros a month VPSses with 50 Gig Di
run Mailman.
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I don't see running the Mailing list server the biggest challenge.
Providing an acceptable spam filter is.
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>> it.
>
>I'd go one step further and say that Debian would disqualify itself as a
>distribution usable for any real world application.
What Sven says, yes.
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To have it end up like #685223?
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:37:52 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen <tfh...@err.no>
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>]] Marc Haber
>> My finger memory will still type tcpdump -i eth0 before the brain can
>> intervene ten years from now.
>
>In that particular case, I'll recommend you either leaving out the -i
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:47:18 +0200, Michael Biebl <bi...@debian.org>
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>Am 12.07.2017 um 17:35 schrieb Marc Haber:
>> My finger memory will still type tcpdump -i eth0 before the brain can
>> intervene ten years from now.
>
>thankfully tcpdump (and lots of o
>> sudo ip link; sudo ip addr;
>
>no need for sudo, this is enough:
>
>ip link ; ip addr
>
>or even shorter:
>
>ip l ; ip a
Still, an elderly family member reading this out to you on the phone
is very very energy-draining.
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ersistent. I surely am not the only one who
will cringe at any mention of lzip in the nearer future.
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will almost
never be decompressed by anybody if there is .xz or .gz available. So
they need the other formats to go away if they want theirs to be used.
They seem to be totally desperate.
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the
>network if they choose to install from DVD.
And many people will end up downloading the full DVD set anyway
because they didn't know any better and they didn't read the docs.
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site with bad connectivity. That
way, one would only transfer the barely necessary amount of software,
and only once.
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mber them to be
that way before I switched to dh.
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On Mon, 1 May 2017 21:16:33 +1000, Scott Leggett <sc...@sl.id.au>
wrote:
>On 2017-05-01.13:02, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 May 2017 11:09:26 +0200, Christian Seiler
>> <christ...@iwakd.de> wrote:
>> >And as I said in other places in this thread: I persona
te that binfmt-support has always worked that way, for
>at least 15 years, way before systemd came around.
Having configuration in /usr without a possibility to override it via
/etc is a policy violation, isn't it`
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systemd, which is probably the first package a local admin will be
exposed to.
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:49:52 +0200, Adam Borowski
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>The only "benefit" I see is that the RPM way is less work for the
>maintainer.
Amen.
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and an rpm or emerge user'll tell you that dpkg is inferior
>because an interactive upgrade's a crazy thing to do.
Debian is about choice. You can choose to reinstall or to upgrade. You
don't have that choice in the RHEL world.
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of systemd, where "doing things like
upstream wants" is feasible because of the good tooling support
(systemctl edit) and the hostile upstream being likely to breath fire
at us for "doing it wrong".
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ctl business to catch those interfaces, to catch even the
dynamically created interfaces.
Or it was the other way round. I remember going through bizarre
contortions to set IPv6 ip_forwarding on jessie without
systemd-networkd supporting this "exotic" use case.
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what are the symptoms of this bug?
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how much of that time between "Booting the
kernel" and the switch to graphics mode? Module compression isn't
likely to eat more than half of that time.
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:08:06 +0100, Samuel Thibault
<sthiba...@debian.org> wrote:
>Marc Haber, on Wed 28 Dec 2016 11:33:13 +0100, wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:50:50 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>> >With this post I want to encourage fellow maint
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basic=on
correct even in AmE?
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:20:43 +0100, Simon Richter <s...@debian.org>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:19:42PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>
>[Restoring deleted conffiles]
>
>> dpkg --force-confmiss --install , as suggested by Simon,
>> didn't work
>
>
pkg for it.
It would be a bug in dpkg to override the admin's conscious decision
to remove a conffile by reinstalling it.
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tion.
Does that even apply if both parties ask for the TC to be invoked,
like a tie-breaker or a mediator?
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:43:26 +0100, gregor herrmann
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>On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:29:13 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:26:46 +0100, Christoph Biedl
>> <debian.a...@manchmal.in-ulm.de> wrote:
>> >Finally, there's a th
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:11:06 +0100, Samuel Thibault
<sthiba...@debian.org> wrote:
>Marc Haber, on Sun 13 Nov 2016 11:48:06 +0100, wrote:
>> I'd rather have a badly maintained package than none.
>
>That's probably the real point where people differ.
>
>To me, releasing
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:46:07 +, "Adam D. Barratt"
<a...@adam-barratt.org.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 2016-11-13 at 11:28 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> This is a quite nice opportunity to say something like "you haven't
>> been nice enough to us in the past or yo
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:46:36 +0100, Samuel Thibault
<sthiba...@debian.org> wrote:
>Marc Haber, on Sun 13 Nov 2016 11:37:54 +0100, wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Nov 2016 11:51:36 +, Steve McIntyre <st...@einval.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Releasing Debian is work for
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:45:23 +0100, Samuel Thibault
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>Marc Haber, on Sun 13 Nov 2016 11:37:13 +0100, wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:06:33 +0200, Lars Wirzenius <l...@liw.fi> wrote:
>> >I'm even willing to justify my opinion: Keeping t
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:07:18 +0100, Christoph Biedl
<debian.a...@manchmal.in-ulm.de> wrote:
>Marc Haber wrote...
>
>> This is exactly the problem I have with the current policy: I fail to
>> see why this measure will shorten the freeze.
>
>I don't. But I'd say
olicy is being as rigid as a two inch
steel wall.
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k that curbing that kind of maintenance
>"style" is a very, very good thing.
I'd rather have a badly maintained package than none.
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s a switch from "we'll
release when it's ready" to "we'll sacrifice package list completeness
of our release for a timely release", which is a rather radical
change.
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or you have dared to speak up when
you didn't like what we did, so you're free to take a hike with your
package, have a nice day".
I find that unnecessarily humiliating and will probably not do this
and rather live without my package in stable for this release.
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ell in addition to the
responsibilities they have taken voluntarily? Well, _this_ will
clearly motivate people.
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will in turn demotivate
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y. This trust was created by the very
>people behind it, and the way they acted in the past months.
This is exactly the problem I have with the current policy: I fail to
see why this measure will shorten the freeze.
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2016 09:38:00 +, Niels Thykier <ni...@thykier.net>
wrote:
>Marc Haber:
>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 13:46:16 +0100, Sebastiaan Couwenberg
>> <sebas...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day
>&
quot;?
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's just on the Wiki.
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es. It was only years later when I noticed that this puts
downstream distributions that enjoy taking from Debian without
recognizing their ancestor in jeopardy. Part of me actually likes
that.
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being forced to do them again when policy finally gets a
move here.
I want a clear TC decision or policy.
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t. The policy
editor didn't want to do the former nine years ago though. I stopped
caring back then.
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gs that the BTS has
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orting multiple
>init systems.
And because it's a system-wide decision.
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t Linux" doesn't say "every Debian system" to
>> me.
>Sorry, what I actually meant was "every non-toy Debian system".
Please at least try to be not this derogatory.
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 22:29:20 +0200, Philipp Kern <pk...@debian.org>
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>On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 08:07:20PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> [1] I remember the day when a Debian stable point release introduced a
>> new version of an ethernet driver that broke an entire class of
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name.
You're coming across as a troll otherwise.
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 03:55:31 +0200, german...@ya.ru wrote:
>But if btrfs is so unstable, then what the hell it's doing in Debian Stable's
>kernel?
Because people might want to try it.
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ructivism.
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. So focus on getting a separate service running,
>and
>running well.
I must say that those .net => .org migrations have been a nuisance for
years. For me, at least.
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:54:04 -0700, Russ Allbery <r...@debian.org>
wrote:
>Marc Haber <mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> writes:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:18:05 -0700, Russ Allbery <r...@debian.org> wrote:
>
>>> NEWS.Debian was the solution created for that
On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:18:05 -0700, Russ Allbery <r...@debian.org>
wrote:
>Marc Haber <mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> writes:
>> apt-listchanges drowns the user in the change logs, most of which are
>> irrevant. I think of a solution that will show text that has be
On Wed, 11 May 2016 17:03:05 +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont
<ol...@debian.org> wrote:
>* Marc Haber <mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> [2016-05-11 10:47:52 +0200]:
>
>> >The third reason is the question of how much in detail the release
>> >notes should actually be. In
E2?
>
>no.
Please at least try to be helpful by answering the question that
Lisandro actually wanted to ask.
I am not asking whether the needed feature is CMOV since I don't want
to give you the opportunity to be an ass for a second time.
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Oh, You were faster with the idea than I was.
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(2) it is
easily possible to track such reports and thus checklist the release
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On Mon, 9 May 2016 23:13:19 +0200, Philipp Kern <pk...@debian.org>
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>On Sun, May 08, 2016 at 07:46:52PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> btrfs has suffered severe regressions since kernel 4.4, with the btrfs
>> upstream community only offering advice like "don't use so
On Sun, 8 May 2016 16:40:22 +0200, Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl>
wrote:
>On Sun, May 08, 2016 at 02:20:45PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Tracking sid is a good idea if you can debug and fix breakages. If you
>> want to be warned for disruptions, use something that we
ned for disruptions, use something that we actually
released.
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On Thu, 5 May 2016 18:50:43 +0200, Pierre Ynard <linkfa...@yahoo.fr>
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>So are there release notes somewhere?
For an unreleased development version?
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> Please upgrade!
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am patches as well.
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patched in
again.
But I fear that systemd upsteam will promptly engage into "educating"
the people who dared to fork about that it is a bad idea to fork
systemd by starting needless refactoring in the code so that the
compatibility patches in the forked code don't apply as nicely, thus
causing
[explanations snipped]
Thanks for trying to clarify. I'll stop ranting about that and revisit
things when we're in the freeze.
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:39:02 +, Neil Williams
<codeh...@debian.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:07:56 +0100
>Marc Haber <mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:20:33 +0100, Michael Biebl <bi...@debian.org>
>> wrote:
>>
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:24:34 +0100, Vincent Bernat <ber...@debian.org>
wrote:
> ? 16 janvier 2016 17:37 +0100, Marc Haber <mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> :
>
>>>You seem to always take vague examples to avoid being contradicted. You
>>>can execute any unit befor
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:29:42 +0100, Vincent Bernat <ber...@debian.org>
wrote:
> ? 17 janvier 2016 11:25 +0100, Marc Haber <mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> :
>>>Of course, vlan1 is up because with networkd, configuring the "netdev" makes
>>>it up while in
sed to removing packages
and not letting them back in after the bugs were fixed just because we
can. We have never done this, and we shold not do that for stretch.
Greetings
Marc
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:25:50 +0100, Marc Haber
<mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>Judging from man systemd.device, a .device file has something to do
>with udev. A vlan device is not created by udev, it comes into
>existence when a .netdev unit like
>
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On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:12:37 +, Jonathan McDowell
<nood...@earth.li> wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 07:09:59PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 17:54:49 +, Jonathan McDowell
>> <nood...@earth.li> wrote:
>> >You're not communicating clearly
and that's how a project stagnates.
There is a truckload of changes that are urgently necessary.
>I'll say it again: enthusiasm is fragile. If we slap down excited people
>every time they make intemperate comments out of enthusiasm, we lose SO
>MUCH energy. And I don't think we can affo
ot
even a systemd opponent.
>What could we do instead, to prevent and to handle these things?
It would help to be friendly to each other. No CoC needed by that,
it's just basic common sense.
Greetings
Marc
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