Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-02 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: And it doesn't appear to regulate the system clock frequency, which basically makes it an inaccurate dumb SNTP client which steps the clock when it synchronises. Please see

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Roger Lynn
On 29/11/14 13:30, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie : One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down system. The option of a dedicated init=/custom-program, but lack of an ntpd, for example, because

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-12-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 10:58:45PM +, Roger Lynn wrote: On 29/11/14 13:30, Vincent Bernat wrote: ❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie : One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down system. The option of a dedicated

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: working upstream Are there any vendors of ARM-based devices who are doing that? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 21:48 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:11 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote: working upstream Are there any vendors of ARM-based devices who are doing that? Most of the SoC vendors seem to be doing *some* work to get their chips supported upstream, but I don't

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
this as easily fixable. Mmh. If we're talking about building future embedded systems using systemd then presumably that system's kernel is new enough. Otherwise, a legacy system running sysVrc will presumably continue to do so _and_ Debian will probably continue to ship sysVrc files that are good

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Alastair McKinstry
Why, precisely, do you foresee future problems with embedded systems development? Personally, I'm looking forward to a much easier time building future embedded systems using systemd, or the occasional too-small-for-anything-else embedded system (that couldn't run standard sysvinit

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 novembre 2014 12:41 GMT, Alastair McKinstry alastair.mckins...@sceal.ie  : One concern I'd have is the lack of flexibility to produce a cut-down system. The option of a dedicated init=/custom-program, but lack of an ntpd, for example, because ntp has been absorbed into systemd's orbit

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 29.11.2014 08:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer kernel interfaces. Correct, and I don't see the situation

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 29.11.2014 13:41, Alastair McKinstry wrote: I'm heartened that some developers are doing the work to make non-systemd remain a viable option in debian, but for it not to degenerate into the systemd way / the less maintained and tested non-systemd way, we need to promote the APIs and

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 17:10 +0100, Simon Richter wrote: Hi, On 29.11.2014 08:37, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: I'm not Simon, but one valid argument I've heard is that embedded stuff has a tendency to get stuck on old vendor kernels, something that doesn't work so well when systemd uses newer

Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-28 Thread Josh Triplett
, precisely, do you foresee future problems with embedded systems development? Personally, I'm looking forward to a much easier time building future embedded systems using systemd, or the occasional too-small-for-anything-else embedded system (that couldn't run standard sysvinit or Debian for that matter

Re: Embedded systems and systemd

2014-11-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
development from emdebian.org. Why, precisely, do you foresee future problems with embedded systems development? Personally, I'm looking forward to a much easier time building future embedded systems using systemd, or the occasional too-small-for-anything-else embedded system (that couldn't run