Re: Discussion - Proposed Constitution - voting part 2

1998-10-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Darren Benham writes (Discussion - Proposed Constitution - voting part 2): I've found another area that could cause problems in the vote counting area. I've been running various sceanios and here's what I've found: In point 5 of A.6. describes the STV method. Basicly, if no one option has

Re: Discussion - Proposed Constitution - voting part 2

1998-10-09 Thread Darren Benham
On 09-Oct-98 Ian Jackson wrote: A.6(5)(iii): This elimination procedure is repeated, moving down ballot papers to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. preferences as required, until one option gets more than half of the `first' preferences. It seems to me to be clear that the intent is that if a

Re: Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you are well aware of the fact that a lot of people will not understand it, and probably will ask you about it. I can tell you that most german readers may be confused. I don't know about other countries, but I assume the situation is not very

Re: Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-30 Thread Marcus . Brinkmann
I´m did a little research and nobody here at my university I ask (not too many people, and not represantive, but FWIW) did know this use of they. I would really appreciate a list of word explanations, as reading english legal texts is hard. I´m willing to learn new stuff, but I hope that Ian can

Re: Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-30 Thread Jules Bean
--On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 1:03 pm +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I´m did a little research and nobody here at my university I ask (not too many people, and not represantive, but FWIW) did know this use of they. I would really appreciate a list of word explanations, as reading english legal

Re: Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-29 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:02:57PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: This discussion is ridiculous. In my view singular `they' is perfectly correct. If I can use it in my PhD thesis (with a footnote[1] and supporting references, and without any complaint from the examiners) then we can use it here.

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread vanco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Mark Baker wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 06:05:51PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote: include the plural. Then all of the clumsy constructions using plural pronouns (they, their) to refer to singular entities (Leader, Secretary, etc.)

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Jules Bean
--On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 8:37 am -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Mark Baker wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 06:05:51PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote: include the plural. Then all of the clumsy constructions using plural pronouns (they,

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread robert havoc pennington
On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: I suggest that Section B. Use of language and typography be amended to include a statement similar to Where the context permits, the masculine shall include the feminine, and the singular shall include the plural. Then all of the clumsy

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Bob Hilliard
Mark Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They is not only a singular, it is also widely accepted as a singular pronoun, and has been used as such by not only ordinary people but also great writers for hundreds of years. All of my dictionaries give nominative plural of he, she, or it as the

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Jules Bean
--On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 8:29 pm -0400 Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They is not only a singular, it is also widely accepted as a singular pronoun, and has been used as such by not only ordinary people but also great writers for hundreds of years.

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread vanco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Jules Bean wrote: I must apologize, I was the one that fueled this technical jargon battle. I personally don't care. My bad ;) Like father like son - ---

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Alex Romosan
I say everybody is too paranoid. Who cares what it looks like? Do ^ it effectively and use the most common method, whoever's toes it steps on. Don't be afraid to put he because somebody will surely slander you for your

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 08:37:42AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry to burst that bubble, but do you care to centest that argument with my english teacher? they is a plural non-gender pronoun. When writing in formal english, it is required thatspecific formal pronouns be used.

Pronouns (was Re: Proposed Constitution)

1998-04-28 Thread Ian Jackson
This discussion is ridiculous. In my view singular `they' is perfectly correct. If I can use it in my PhD thesis (with a footnote[1] and supporting references, and without any complaint from the examiners) then we can use it here. Furthermore, language is defined by use, not by prescription

Proposed Constitution

1998-04-27 Thread Bob Hilliard
I suggest that Section B. Use of language and typography be amended to include a statement similar to Where the context permits, the masculine shall include the feminine, and the singular shall include the plural. Then all of the clumsy constructions using plural pronouns (they, their) to

Re: Proposed Constitution

1998-04-27 Thread Mark Baker
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 06:05:51PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote: include the plural. Then all of the clumsy constructions using plural pronouns (they, their) to refer to singular entities (Leader, Secretary, etc.) should be changed to use singular masculine pronouns (him, his). They is not only