Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-09-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, shirish शिरीष wrote: > As far as fact-checking goes, can anybody share about Debian and Kali > Linux relationship in bit more detail. AFAIK Raphaël Hertzog is one of > the main developers and there has been lot of symbiotic relationship > between the two projects but how

Re: Question about dpkg Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-30 Thread shirish शिरीष
at bottom :- On 30/08/2017, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 11:26:55PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: >> I was under the impression that due to rpm brokeness Debian and >> thereafter dpkg came into being. > > This is entirely wrong. The first entry in dpkg's

Re: Question about dpkg Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 11:26:55PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > I was under the impression that due to rpm brokeness Debian and > thereafter dpkg came into being. This is entirely wrong. The first entry in dpkg's changelog was in 1994, and rpm's first release was in 1997. Please spend at least

Re: DPL election terms 1 year was Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-29 Thread Jonathan McDowell
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 11:37:09PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Dear all, > > Please CC me if somebody puts a reply > > Another query but of more recent vintage is the idea of having yearly > elections for choosing DPL. Now while sadly Ian Murdock is not there > but am sure there are more than

DPL election terms 1 year was Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-29 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear all, Please CC me if somebody puts a reply Another query but of more recent vintage is the idea of having yearly elections for choosing DPL. Now while sadly Ian Murdock is not there but am sure there are more than enough people who know and remember why Ian Murdock felt the need to have

Re: Question about dpkg Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2017-08-29 23:26:55 +0530 (+0530), shirish शिरीष wrote: [...] > From the wikipedia page it seems the motivation came from SLS - a > derivative of Slackware. [...] Minor correction for you: Slackware was borne out of SLS and not the other way around:

Question about dpkg Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-29 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear all, Please CC me when answering or putting something on the thread. When I started using ubuntu and then later Debian one of the first tools I fell in love with was dpkg. Although nowadays we have multiple tools like apt, aptitude, one of the biggest features of dpkg (which is replicated

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:39:51PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > The first thing I wanted to find out, the separation of changelogs > happened in 1998 according to dpkg changelogs. > > dpkg (1.4.0.22) frozen unstable; urgency=medium > > * Non-maintainer bug-fix release > * Install main

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
at bottom :- On 28/08/2017, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi! > > On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 12:50:48 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: >> It did take a little while for the current format to evolve. For >> example, very early source packages had changes recorded in a >> "debian.README" file

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Mon, 2017-08-28 at 12:50:48 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > It did take a little while for the current format to evolve. For > example, very early source packages had changes recorded in a > "debian.README" file in somewhat ad-hoc formats. > > I think the current changelog format arrived

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017, shirish शिरीष wrote: > It would be helpful if somebody has one of the 1996 packages snapshots > and can share how the changelogs were at that point of time. That > might give a bit of reference as to how things were and if there were > any changes between them and now.

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 04:10:05PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > @Andrey Rahmatullin I read your answer at > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/08/msg00598.html but it > doesn't tell me whether this obvious idea was born in Debian or some > other GNU/Linux distribution. I do not the early

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
at bottom :- On 27/08/2017, Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Thursday, 24 August 2017 08:01:54 CEST shirish शिरीष wrote: >> Are there any such unsung technical/non-technical or social >> innovations that Debian has done that is now known/or lesser known >> which Debianities should

Re: lcdproc was Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:51:22PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Dear Dominique, > > Thank you for sharing about lcdproc as response to my mail. For my 2 > cents, I disliked the idea (of lcdproc) immediately as simply applying > maintainer changes defeats the very purpose the tool declares or >

lcdproc was Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-28 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear Dominique, Thank you for sharing about lcdproc as response to my mail. For my 2 cents, I disliked the idea (of lcdproc) immediately as simply applying maintainer changes defeats the very purpose the tool declares or claims to help. For e.g. I know of quite a few people where the modem login

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-27 Thread Samuel Henrique
CC'ing to pkg-sec As far as fact-checking goes, can anybody share about Debian and Kali > Linux relationship in bit more detail. AFAIK Raphaël Hertzog is one of > the main developers and there has been lot of symbiotic relationship > between the two projects but how much both projects have

Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-27 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Thursday, 24 August 2017 08:01:54 CEST shirish शिरीष wrote: > Are there any such unsung technical/non-technical or social > innovations that Debian has done that is now known/or lesser known > which Debianities should know about and be proud about. Having more > Debian fanboys should also