Re: Debian 2.0 CDs back in place on ftp1

1998-06-05 Thread Yann Dirson
Johnie Ingram writes: 620062720 Jun 3 13:30 CD0/Debian-i386-2.0-980603-1730Z.iso So main+contrib finally fits on 1 CD ? 335355904 Jun 3 11:16 CD1/Debian-misc-2.0-980603-1516Z.iso Could you give a brief description of what this misc CD is ? Thanks, -- Yann Dirson [EMAIL

Re: Debian 2.0

1998-05-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:59:36AM +0200, Tobias Josefsson wrote: I was just wondering when Debian release 2.0 is going to be released... Does anyone know? Yes, I know. When it's ready :-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Jellinghaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from a first look at debian 2.0 i'm disappointed. ok, everything is moved to glibc, and there are lots of new packages. but where is the enhancement ? If I recall correctly, the stated goals of this release where upgrade to glibc 2.0, and various

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread James Troup
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - pam login doesn't use pam. passwd doesn't use pam. telnet doesn't use it. unless most programs are unseing pam, it's useless. Oh, foo. Integration of pam was dropped as a release goal of 2.0 because it is quite simply not tenable if you want to

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, foo. Integration of pam was dropped as a release goal of 2.0 because it is quite simply not tenable if you want to release hamm before 1999. You can not simply recompile core applications like shadow and net{base,std} with pam and hope they work,

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread James Troup
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, foo. Integration of pam was dropped as a release goal of 2.0 because it is quite simply not tenable if you want to release hamm before 1999. You can not simply recompile core applications like shadow and net{base,std} with pam and hope they work,

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said it was unstable and it isn't. But we haven't used it before and I don't care how stable it is, we should not and will not start recompiling core applications with a previously unused (*in Debian*) library, one month into a freeze. The

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Adam P. Harris
Richard == Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory space. All shared libraries included in the Debian

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: Richard == Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yukhimets) wrote on 09.01.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moin Alex! AY I would like to question the need for this requirement. ??? Aren't you questioning my right to do that? :) No, but it hardly seems reasonable to question this requirement. AY While this can

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
You can't satisfy all users anyway. In addition, I would hate to be able to switch to russian keyboard mode (by mistake) and enter some letters which look just like English ones in the editor I use for _programming_. OTOH, many people'd be upset not to be able to insert comments using

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: Please note, that we are not talking about `dynamically linked binaries' (which has been implemented a long time ago) but about `shared libraries being linked dynamically against other libraries', that is, if you, say, build the libmysql.so shared

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Richard Braakman
Adam P. Harris wrote: Richard == Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [linking shared libraries against other libraries] As far as I can tell, it does not save disk and memory space. However, I am rather new at this. Feel free to correct me. You are wrong. Shared libraries are

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Yes, but if I sent you a message containing some russian leters you wouldn't see them the way I see anyway. The same thing for every other language. 8-bit clean e-mail message is not the one to send to

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Alex, this is much simpler than you think. I will give you a simple example: My keyboard has a key for the \~n letter (using TeX notation) which is used in the Spanish language. When I press that key, I *expect* to produce such character. Not obtaining that letter but some other is

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Joey Hess
Dale Scheetz wrote: This one is new to me...I have been waiting for the menu system to stabalize. I guess this means that it has? There have been no changes to the menu package since Oct 1997. There are several open bug reports, but these will hopefully be fixed now that Joost is less busy.

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: All applications registered to menus The menu package included in the Debian distribution stores information about which applications are installed on the system and provides this

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread bhmit1
Attention all package maintainers: Just a note that the testing group would like to have an idea of how to test the individual packages (before we were only seeing if it would install). All we are asking for is a checklist (and a script if you want), which in the most general sense says: this

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: it is nice property of less (as opposed to more) that it filters out all non-ascii charachters (changes them to some ^... printable sequencies). As a result, it is not possible to trash the console by doing less some binary file or, more important -

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 01:21:41AM +0100, Christian Schwarz wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: All applications registered to menus It's already policy. Check out section 3.7 of policy 2.3.0.1. Could applications be spelt out a bit more? Clearly menu entries are only

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note that the testing group would like to have an idea of how to test the individual packages (before we were only seeing if it would install). All we are asking for is a checklist (and a script if you want), which in the most general sense

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Richard Braakman
Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory space. All shared libraries included in the Debian distribution will be compiled that

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread bhmit1
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Vincent Renardias wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note that the testing group would like to have an idea of how to test the individual packages (before we were only seeing if it would install). All we are asking for is a checklist (and a

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Gergely Madarasz wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: it is nice property of less (as opposed to more) that it filters out all non-ascii charachters (changes them to some ^... printable sequencies). As a result, it is not possible to trash the console

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: it is nice property of less (as opposed to more) that it filters out all non-ascii charachters (changes them to some ^... printable sequencies). As a result, it is not possible to trash the console by doing less

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Yann Dirson
Alex Yukhimets writes: if something bad happened and you created a file(s) with some non-ascii charachters, ls will trash the console while ls | less will show you everything and let you delete it. ?? Why on earth do you need less for that ? Doesn't LANG=C /bin/ls -b do the right job

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Yukhimets writes: if something bad happened and you created a file(s) with some non-ascii charachters, ls will trash the console while ls | less will show you everything and let you delete it. ?? Why on earth do you

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Support of 8-bit characters by default Some programs need special configuration options to work 8-bit clean. This is very important for a lot of non-English users who need to input umlauts, accented characters, etc. All Debian packages will be configured to be 8-bit

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Martin Schulze
On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 06:27:48PM -0500, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Support of 8-bit characters by default Some programs need special configuration options to work 8-bit clean. This is very important for a lot of non-English users who need to input umlauts, accented

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Alex Yukhimets
Support of 8-bit characters by default Some programs need special configuration options to work 8-bit clean. This is very important for a lot of non-English users who need to input umlauts, accented characters, etc. All Debian packages will be configured to

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: All applications registered to menus The menu package included in the Debian distribution stores information about which applications are installed on the system and provides this data for X11 window managers or text-based menu

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread James Troup
Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gee, I dunno, maybe it's, at least in part, for the developers who still haven't upgraded their packages to libc6, despite it being available since April. It will be available in the next few days, Like Jed was going to be done this weekend

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Martin Schulze
On Thu, Jan 01, 1998 at 05:10:09PM +, James Troup wrote: Oh really? What about such inessentials and trivialities such as our default MTA? Well... Please take a look at ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/people/soenke/debian-beta/ and test the smail inside. And if there was a deadline

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread James Troup
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh really? What about such inessentials and trivialities such as our default MTA? Well... Please take a look at ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/people/soenke/debian-beta/ and test the smail inside. Wouldn't that be better tested if it were

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Martin Schulze
On Thu, Jan 01, 1998 at 05:58:30PM +, James Troup wrote: Oh really? What about such inessentials and trivialities such as our default MTA? Well... Please take a look at ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/people/soenke/debian-beta/ and test the smail inside. Wouldn't that be

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Marco Budde
Am 31.12.97 schrieb borik # isracom.net.il ... Moin Boris! BDB Do we have any dates for Debian 2.0 BDB release/code-freze/dead-line/anything? No. BDB If not, shouldn't we schedule one already. What are we waiting for? Are really good question. We should hurry a litte bit. cu, Marco -- Uni:

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread bruce
What's going on is that we will have an alpha-testable system by the weekend with any luck, and we can then set deadlines. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1997-12-31 Thread James Troup
Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If not, shouldn't we schedule one already. What are we waiting for? Gee, I dunno, maybe it's, at least in part, for the developers who still haven't upgraded their packages to libc6, despite it being available since April. -- James - xinted anyone?

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1997-12-31 Thread Boris D. Beletsky
On 31 Dec 1997, James Troup wrote: Troup Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Troup Troup If not, shouldn't we schedule one already. What are we Troup waiting for? Troup Troup Gee, I dunno, maybe it's, at least in part, for the developers Troup who still haven't upgraded their