On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 03:53:15AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
[...] I remember even emailing the Upstart guys about
that, but I never got any reply. This was a long long time before Upstart
added socket activation.
This appears to be the discussion starting with this mail:
Hi Ondřej,
Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org writes:
Practical question: if I were to support systemd .service, upstart
init job and/or OpenRC whatever together with standard sysvinit
script, how do I check for currently used init system from sysvinit
script to not start the service for a second
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:44:53PM +0200, Ond??ej Surý wrote:
cat php5-fpm.service EOF
[Unit]
Description=The PHP FastCGI Process Manager
After=syslog.target network.target
Small nitpick here: Specifying syslog.target in an After is completely
unnecessary and counterproductive. At the time
]] Russ Allbery
Basically, what we're looking for here is the equivalent of a check engine
light (except, of course, with better user-visible diagnostics available).
That's what the end user actually wants: something clear and visible
indicating that something is wrong, which they can drill
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:08:01 +0200, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
wrote:
Le jeudi 30 mai 2013 à 22:25 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
Do you actually run a kernel other than Linux
Actually no, but it is a pleasure to see Debian move towards this
freedom with every new release.
I disagree
On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:33:22 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
On May 31, Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist as debian users is one of the most frustrating bits of this
whole thread.
I'm sorry for
]] Roger Lynn
I prefer to be notified of changes to configuration files during upgrades so
that I know which configurations need updating, rather than just hoping that
the old config will work with the updated package and missing out on any new
options silently introduced in a master
❦ 1 juin 2013 00:44 CEST, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org :
start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo)
stop on runlevel [016]
FYI, it's strongly recommended to use 'start on runlevel [2345]' here as the
start condition, for several reasons:
- The 'filesystem' events are
Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au writes:
On 31 May 2013 20:19, Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com wrote:
Gnutls is really crappy about suid
see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/03/msg00298.html
2+ years later or 2 Debian releases later, I would have hoped these
On 06/01/2013 12:24 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
I don't know how systemd behaves in this way (so this is not something
to hold against upstart), but there are so many daemons that need to be
started after the network has been configured that it should be easy to
do this. For example, most daemons
On 06/01/2013 11:59 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
Before saying things like that, please file a GR removing the
universal from Debian's claim.
Calm down. Debian has been called universal long before the arrival
of the non-Linux kernels. And, in fact, Marco and Joss have a point
that if hardly anyone
On 2013-05-31 08:52:37 +, Raphael Geissert wrote:
Russ Allbery rra at debian.org writes:
[...]
This would *enable* users to install software from backports if it either
didn't exist in stable at all or if they explicitly requested it from
backports, but would not install such software
W dniu sob, cze 1, 2013 o 12:52 ,nadawca John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de napisał:
On 06/01/2013 12:24 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
I don't know how systemd behaves in this way (so this is not
something
to hold against upstart), but there are so many daemons that need to
On 06/01/2013 01:51 PM, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote:
I believe there was a counter example of using CUPS where unless you
really start it, other machines won't discover it via avahi and you
won't be able to print to a networked printer.
One exception does not mean that all daemons should be
Zygmunt Krynicki wrote:
W dniu sob, cze 1, 2013 o 12:52 ,nadawca John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de napisał:
On 06/01/2013 12:24 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
I don't know how systemd behaves in this way (so this is not
something to hold against upstart),
Helmut Grohne helmut at subdivi.de writes:
Following the thread, one can observe that communication between Lennart
and Scott is not ideal. This is just sad, and I am not to blame either
of them. Maybe we can get both to a table now by mediating the
discussion?
Scott James Remnant does no
Am Donnerstag, den 30.05.2013, 22:29 +0100 schrieb Wookey:
+++ Josh Triplett [2013-05-29 11:50 -0700]:
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
One problematic aspect are the various xul-ext-* packages currently
packaged. It's very likely that some of them will break with ESR17
and ESR24 in the
You have the context wrong here. considering systemd as a default init
is too vague.
Wikipedia says: A default, in computer science, refers to a setting or a value
automatically assigned to a software application, computer program or device,
outside of user intervention.
What's vague about
Hi there,
I am trying to give Sven Eckelmann dm upload permission on
exactimage. Here what I did
1. read [1]
2. write a text file:
$ cat malat-1.dak-commands
Archive: ftp.debian.org
Uploader: Sven Eckelmann s...@narfation.org
Action: dm
Fingerprint: 522D7163831C73A635D12FE5EC371482956781AF
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:42:33 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
What's the point in doing that work
when, in the end, hardly anyone is using it?
Freedom. It is not free to take away freedom just because too few
people have chosen to exercise freedom.
Greetings
On 06/01/2013 04:48 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:42:33 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
What's the point in doing that work
when, in the end, hardly anyone is using it?
Freedom. It is not free to take away freedom just because too few
people
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Debian SDL packages maintainers
pkg-sdl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
* Package name: libsdl2-image
Version : 2.0.0~rc1
Upstream Author : Sam Lantinga slou...@libsdl.org
* URL : http://www.libsdl.org/tmp/SDL_image/
*
* Thomas Goirand:
Maybe the best way forward is to have backports activated by default
(there's already a patch available for that, not sure if it has been
applied to d-i yet). Then when installing a desktop (since backports
are now fully part of Debian), we could provide browsers from there
Hi,
On 01.06.2013 16:56, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
Uploader: Sven Eckelmann s...@narfation.org
Uploader is you, not uploader as in person you want to grant upload
rights. That's also used for mail confirmation I believe. Having that
said, I'm no ftpmaster so I don't know what precisely went
On 2013-05-28 13:05:25 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 28 mai 2013 à 12:13 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Being able to send outgoing mail, and to handle local (such as
SMTP rejects or notifications from system daemons) seems plenty
useful to me.
Most clients (apart maybe from
On Friday, May 31, 2013 07:15:36, Marc Haber wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2013 19:51:04 -0400, Chris Knadle
chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote:
For Exim, the one thing I would want to change would be to ship a
configuration that by default created an SSL certificate and enabled
MAIN_TLS_ENABLE to
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
Nikolas Kallis n...@nikolaskallis.com writes:
Another thing I am pissed off about is the lack of a graphical
text-editor being included in Debian 7.0. The last time I checked, my
calendar said 2013, and as so, would not expect a text-editor not being
Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
For e-mail coming in from other clients, with the local exim acting as
a server?
Certificates are usually only used in E-Mail when a server authenticates
itself to a client before the client sends its authentication data. SMTP
with client
Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
You have the context wrong here. considering systemd as a default init
is too vague.
Wikipedia says: A default, in computer science, refers to a setting or a
value
automatically assigned to a software application, computer program or device,
outside of user
On Saturday, June 01, 2013 05:34:22, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Russ Allbery
Basically, what we're looking for here is the equivalent of a check
engine light (except, of course, with better user-visible diagnostics
available). That's what the end user actually wants: something clear and
Ondřej Surý
On 1. 6. 2013, at 11:59, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:33:22 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
On May 31, Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net wrote:
The idea that somehow users of non-linux kernels don't matter or don't
even exist
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 20:02:42, Russ Allbery wrote:
Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us writes:
On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 15:46:15, Russ Allbery wrote:
That's exactly the point, and is why I would prefer not to write those
notifications into a file that no one ever looks at. (Which
On 1. 6. 2013, at 16:48, Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:42:33 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
What's the point in doing that work
when, in the end, hardly anyone is using it?
Freedom. It is not free to take away
On 30-05-13 22:36, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Russ Allbery wrote:
Uoti Urpala uoti.urp...@pp1.inet.fi writes:
Marc Haber wrote:
And it is still completely inferior even to dpkg-conffile handling,
which has huge wishes left open as well.
False. The message you replied to already listed advantages
Marc Haber wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:42:33 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
What's the point in doing that work
when, in the end, hardly anyone is using it?
Freedom. It is not free to take away freedom just because too few
people have chosen to
On 31/05/13 07:50, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
A utility to scan syslog and convey important information to the user
would be much more useful than configuring all mailers in Debian to read
root's local mail by default. I know how to redirect root's mail
elsewhere, thank you for not making
On Sat, Jun 01, 2013 at 09:44:05PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
FWIW, I happen to agree with Marc. Having everything in /etc makes it
*much* clearer what the actual current configuration is; it also means
that if the defaults change on upgrade, your environment doesn't
suddenly start acting
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
The above covers the vast majority of packages, as it is very rare for
any build system to need config.sub or config.guess and _not_ use GNU
autoconf.
The exception does not require that the configuration script generated
by Autoconf is actually used for
On Sat, 2013-06-01 at 22:57 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Marc Haber wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:42:33 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
Why would kFreeBSD particularly matter for freedom? As opposed to any
other random piece of software?
Debian
In data sabato 01 giugno 2013 22.02.25, Uoti Urpala ha scritto:
So, to sum it up: Upstream systemd is ready for production and suitable
to be chosen as the default Debian init.
Can you back up your claim somehow?
You mixed up these two things (you also talked
about use in Fedora, which
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
On 30-05-13 22:36, Uoti Urpala wrote:
While there is room for reasonable disagreement about the relative
benefits of different configuration setups, completely inferior even to
dpkg-conffile handling is not part of any reasonable disagreement. That
claim is simply
Svante Signell wrote:
On Sat, 2013-06-01 at 22:57 +0300, Uoti Urpala wrote:
Debian regularly removes old buggy packages that few people use. Are you
saying that is wrong, and for the sake of freedom people should be given
the ability to keep installing them even if few actually want to? If
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
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On Sun 02 Jun 2013 01:12:43 Uoti Urpala wrote:
Also, these issues were already covered in the thread a year ago (and
your post doesn't look like you'd have understood the arguments
there but disagreed).
Your quality advocacy work for upstart is almost as good as Rob Weir's
incessant efforts
On Sat, 2013-06-01 at 15:06 -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
On Friday, May 31, 2013 07:15:36, Marc Haber wrote:
[...]
SMTP with client certificates is possible, but I
have only seen this two times in 15 years of running E-Mail servers.
Yes I'd expect this to be rare, and I can't recall using
On 2 June 2013 03:10, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
It would probably be a good idea for the installer to add commented-out
sources.list lines for the main archive, even if the installation is done
off-line. (Assuming that it doesn't, but Nikolas's experience seems to
indicate that it
Hello List,
I have to deal with docbook-xsl for one of my package.
I am not familiar with docbook-xsl stuff, so my question may sound naive.
It appears that the upstream stuff play with docbook-xsl version 1.75.2 ,
but not 1.76.1 : only the last one is available on Wheezy, so why only one
version
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